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Post by deimon021 on Apr 5, 2008 19:28:36 GMT -6
One of my qbs has spent the entire offseason trying to correct a problem. He throws a tight spiral, but it tilts toward the right. He is right handed. Is it because he imparts spin on the football, by using his middle finger. He throws with a three quarter motion. The spiral tilts and sometimes almost goes completely sideways. Can any body give me advice as to why he does this ?
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Post by highball007 on Apr 5, 2008 21:15:19 GMT -6
One thing can be that he has it to deep in his palm. Make sure he has a nice pocket so he can fit two fingers between the ball and his palm. Another thing could be his angle at which his index finger is pointing towards the top of the ball. Hope this helps, I just play with QB's throw motion because in reality each athlete is different.
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Post by eickst on Apr 6, 2008 0:57:39 GMT -6
Two words-
Darin Slack
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Post by Yash on Apr 6, 2008 7:41:01 GMT -6
either get the Darin Slack DVDs suggested above or send him to a Jeff Trickey camp. Both are great teachers.
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Post by touchdowng on Apr 6, 2008 8:25:27 GMT -6
1. Grip?
2. Where is his release in relation to his shoulder and head?
3. How do you coach him up his finish/follow through?
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Post by sf16 on Apr 6, 2008 21:10:48 GMT -6
it could be that his follow through is across he body and not toward the inner thigh or outside thigh?
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Post by saintrad on Apr 7, 2008 7:09:02 GMT -6
to me, and Darin will have a better take on this, is that the QB is also rotating hs wrist from the loaded position to the open position too early in his throw. My starting QB last season had the same problem and after video review we found he was getting laszy with this wrist and either not loading it correctly or was rotating to the open position too early
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Post by dsqa on Apr 9, 2008 6:35:26 GMT -6
saintrad and sf16, you are on the right track, and it can involve the grip as the others suggested. Assuming the grip is right for a moment, because the grip alone isn't what is causing it, essentially, the QB is "slashing" across the ball to make it rotate. The force of the wrist firing from the 3/4 position across his body creates the strong tilt to the right. Now, here's the trick...
You want the ball to fly the way his is flying, but not so much. It is how he is getting there that is the problem. There is always a limit and a minimum to every mechanic, in his case, he is affecting great spin, but I would bet he has about 20-30 percent more power than he currently realizes.
For any behavior to change permanently, the belief that fueled it must be dealt with. He "believes" that if he continues to pull across and down on that ball, he will get the desired result. There is another, more powerful, and effective way, but until he understands and believes that, he will fight change. So be prepared for some push back. Hopefully, he will be open to change.
My own son is a receiver, and we are making changes to his mechanics, and he is pushing back, because while he sees the change could be necessary, he hasn't bought into the why? yet. It is a challenging change he is trying to make, because he had some serious and good coaching that he has taken too far, and it will take some convincing, but I have some help to move him along from receiver guys.
The simple answer here is, he needs to get his wrist to pronate through the motion more vertically above his elbow with the wrist cokked(spelling? to get around the word change) to permit him to extend deeper into the release, and reduce the slash. For this to happen though, he has to learn to get his elbow into a better position in relation to his throwing shoulder - zero.
This more vertical position will get more of his body into the throw, thus reducing the ability of the slashing arm, and wrist, to dictate the angle of the ball. The more force that is driven from the body, the less the arm is able to solely determine the angle of flight. This opposing tension between the body and arm is a treasure trove to unlocking power, flight control, accuracy, touch, etc. but it starts with the QB's awareness that something needs to change. If he is open, he will see results quickly.
In this case, if he works harder at getting his wrist "through", and not "around" his elbow, he will be able to see less tilt angle. The tight spin and reasonable nose up and to the right flight are what you want, but it sounds like he has taken that angle too far by "slashing," and this is why.
Please understand, the possibility exists that other changes with the elbow will become necessary as he works more vertical, but this will get you started. If he struggles, PM me and I will be glad to help.
Ideally, you want the ball to start up and to the right(RH) slightly, and if it does rotate over at all, it will fly straight. You don't necessarily want the ball to dive down into the receiver. We are looking to sustain flight, so a nose over at the end, while natural on a high trajectory ball, is not desirable on a ball thrown on a line. That is an extension issue, and that is another thread.
Hope that helps.
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