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Post by lcrusaders on May 2, 2011 0:01:44 GMT -6
Hey coaches..just interested to see how often your assistant coaches come and help in the weight room this time of year? always? sometimes? never?
i try to get in as much as i can to increase team chemistry, get fundamental work in and show that i am dedicated to each kid
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Post by coachwoodall on May 2, 2011 6:02:03 GMT -6
We have a PE class, but still lift after school for those not in class and for middle school.
MWF rising 9-12 lift (we bus the middle school over) that are not in class. 3:30-5:00. There are 2 ACs in there with the S&S coach. That averages out to about 4-5 times a month with a staff of 14, not counting switching and helping each other out. We have a calender mapped out for the whole spring with who is lifting. Those coaches doing winter/spring sports may have more/less on average depending on when the schedule falls.
TTh is the rising 8th graders. 2 middle school ACs are there each day, with 1 varsity AC, which means I might be in there 2 for the whole spring.
That being said, out of the 13-14 times I was assigned, I dropped in just as many times to check in on who was there, to see how they were working, to offer encouragment, etc...... The same was true for most of the ACs. Rarely was there just the 3 assigned coaches for the entire time.
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Post by fballcoachg on May 2, 2011 6:47:51 GMT -6
It has never been stated but I think there is an unwritten rule that if our kids are expected to be at something so are the coaches (as long as you aren't coaching something else at the same time). If there is a reason we ACs can't be there, we let the HC know, just one of those obligations that comes with the job.
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Post by pvogel on May 2, 2011 7:18:14 GMT -6
im an off campus coach and i am in the weightroom for the football class just about every day, unless i have something i need to take care of school wise. not mandatory for the assistants to come and none of the other coaches do, but its something i do to help the kids lift and to strengthen relationships.
HC is also a baseball coach so he misses that class sometimes. He really likes being able to tell a sub that I'm gonna be there and that I can handle the class. Subs dont mind either.
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Post by coachhart on May 2, 2011 7:19:35 GMT -6
Most of our assistants are there on a daily basis. It really helps with the ebb and flow of the workout, gets the kids fired up to see that we're ALL working hard for the betterment of the football program.
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Post by blb on May 2, 2011 7:38:04 GMT -6
I run weight room after school M-W-F from Thanksgiving until school's out in June (excluding Christmas and Spring vacations of course).
We do not have weight training or conditioning during school day although our PE teacher takes his classes in there.
Former player who's finishing college, coaches MS basketball and wants to stay involved brings some current 8th graders over after we're done.
I do ask our head JV and Freshman coaches to run summer workouts for their teams M-W-F mornings.
Fact is our assistants are good guys who like Football, coaching, and kids, but coaching Football is not a career for them.
Most of them also have young families, are coaching another sport or working another job to make ends meet, and taking additional course work.
I get paid more than twice what each of them does, and besides, I'm retired - what else do I have to do?
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Post by fantom on May 2, 2011 8:15:10 GMT -6
We're expected to be there if we can. If somebody can't be there he's expected to let the HC know. It's what the big bucks are for.
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Post by davishfc on May 2, 2011 8:29:16 GMT -6
It has never been stated but I think there is an unwritten rule that if our kids are expected to be at something so are the coaches (as long as you aren't coaching something else at the same time). If there is a reason we ACs can't be there, we let the HC know, just one of those obligations that comes with the job. Unwritten rule...I like that. "Do the right thing" is basically what it comes down to. The players (who are kids) are supposed to be there and, therefore, coaches (who are adults) should be there as well. It's hypocritical of the adults involved with the program to have expectations of the players yet exempt themselves from having the same expectations. Coaches are there for every commitment required of the players plus all of the coaching staff meetings and such where the players are not present. Just my .02. |
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Post by blb on May 2, 2011 8:58:31 GMT -6
The players (who are kids) are supposed to be there and, therefore, coaches (who are adults) should be there as well. It's hypocritical of the adults involved with the program to have expectations of the players yet exempt themselves from having the same expectations. Coaches are there for every commitment required of the players I agree philosophically or in theory with that idea. However - if a coach can't meet those "expectations" or won't, at what point do you let him go? And how easy is it going to be to replace him, especially if he is a faculty member? Don't know how it is elsewhere, but it's hard to find good coaches around here. And there are no teaching jobs to bring guys in with. Very few of the dozens of assistants I've had over the years had career goals in Football, such as becoming a head coach. And they could've easily made a lot more money doing something else. |
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Post by realdawg on May 2, 2011 9:01:46 GMT -6
Asst. coach here-I have my planning period during one of our wt. training classes. I spend time in that class each day-at least to show my face and check on my position players. Some days I spend the entire period in there. We do after school wt. training for middle schoolers, and I am there each day as well. As someone said-I believe that if you want the kids to come, you have to be there and support it as well. Furthermore, in my opinion if the HC has to be there, than I need to be there as well.
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Post by fantom on May 2, 2011 9:14:55 GMT -6
The players (who are kids) are supposed to be there and, therefore, coaches (who are adults) should be there as well. It's hypocritical of the adults involved with the program to have expectations of the players yet exempt themselves from having the same expectations. Coaches are there for every commitment required of the players I agree philosophically or in theory with that idea. However - if a coach can't meet those "expectations" or won't, at what point do you let him go? And how easy is it going to be to replace him, especially if he is a faculty member? Don't know how it is elsewhere, but it's hard to find good coaches around here. And there are no teaching jobs to bring guys in with. Very few of the dozens of assistants I've had over the years had career goals in Football, such as becoming a head coach. And they could've easily made a lot more money doing something else. If a guy refuses to show up regularly for off-season stuff I question whether he's a good coach. I'm not talking about guys who can't be there because of other commitments. I don't mean that they should be expected to be at every workout. Certainly volunteers get more than leeway than paid coaches. I just thnk that if a guy is going MIA from December-August for no good reason I'd be looking to find another guy. |
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Post by coachbdud on May 2, 2011 9:15:49 GMT -6
I am the assistant, I am the only one in the weight room everyday we lift (MWF)
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Post by coachcb on May 2, 2011 9:15:53 GMT -6
The players (who are kids) are supposed to be there and, therefore, coaches (who are adults) should be there as well. It's hypocritical of the adults involved with the program to have expectations of the players yet exempt themselves from having the same expectations. Coaches are there for every commitment required of the players I agree philosophically or in theory with that idea. However - if a coach can't meet those "expectations" or won't, at what point do you let him go? And how easy is it going to be to replace him, especially if he is a faculty member? Don't know how it is elsewhere, but it's hard to find good coaches around here. And there are no teaching jobs to bring guys in with. Very few of the dozens of assistants I've had over the years had career goals in Football, such as becoming a head coach. And they could've easily made a lot more money doing something else. I agree, another one of those situations where you really don't have any control. I have an assistant right now that really enjoys thie off-season work. I have another that doesn't. Guess which one will have more say and ownership in the program? |
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Post by thehoodie on May 2, 2011 10:31:16 GMT -6
I'm an assistant and I'm the only one in the weight room with the players.
Part of the problem is school policy which states that only teachers can supervise, and since I'm the only teacher on staff (a sub at the moment and not in the building FT), I'm the only one with the key.
A couple of players are in weightlifting class but yes, we still need to get more hours in the weight room.
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Post by GregH on May 2, 2011 10:39:01 GMT -6
We have at least two coaches scheduled per day M,T, Th, F, but others drop in. Most of our players have weight training PE classes and finish their workout after school.
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Post by fantom on May 2, 2011 10:51:22 GMT -6
Obviously circumstances vary. Some teams have very small staffs. Some do most of their work in athletic PE classes. It's understandable that staff participation may be limited there. If there is a situation where union contracts or state rules mandate that only teachers can coach that makes it harder to get rid of a coach.
We do all of our stuff after school and we have a large staff so there are fewer excuses. Coaches serve at the will of the HC and administration so replacing an "underperforming" coach is easier for us. I know that it's easier said than done at some places.
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Post by John Knight on May 2, 2011 10:58:33 GMT -6
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Post by jgordon1 on May 2, 2011 11:12:30 GMT -6
I ask/require our guys to be there a min 1 day a week or coach another sport...most of the guys on our staff have two or more kids(two guys have 4 kids)..so right now 3 guys coaching another sport and two guys coming in 1 day a week...we have a great athletic staff here as the Head boys basketball and the head Girls Basketball coach each come in one day a week..they are very good (maybe better than me) even the volleyball coach comes one day a week..can't get the wrestling coach to come???WTF
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Post by struceri on May 2, 2011 12:34:13 GMT -6
During the winter there is 4-5 of us that are there just about every day. Now that track has started I only make it once a week. A couple of our fb coaches also coach track so they arent there everyday either. Personally, I enjoy being there. I get a chance to workout plus you get a chance to see the kids work and visit with them a little. Great chance to build relationships.
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Post by thegloved1 on May 2, 2011 14:20:56 GMT -6
As a new Asst. Coach just coming into our program this last March and being in the U.S. Navy, I'm only getting into our weight room with the kids on Thurs. Our HC is also an Asst. Principle so he can't get there until after 3, so one of the other Asst. Coaches who is also a teacher at the school is able to open the weight room at 2:30 on M/W/Th.
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Post by coachorr on May 2, 2011 15:29:50 GMT -6
Lead by example.
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Post by davishfc on May 2, 2011 15:32:21 GMT -6
The players (who are kids) are supposed to be there and, therefore, coaches (who are adults) should be there as well. It's hypocritical of the adults involved with the program to have expectations of the players yet exempt themselves from having the same expectations. Coaches are there for every commitment required of the players I agree philosophically or in theory with that idea. However - if a coach can't meet those "expectations" or won't, at what point do you let him go? And how easy is it going to be to replace him, especially if he is a faculty member? Don't know how it is elsewhere, but it's hard to find good coaches around here. And there are no teaching jobs to bring guys in with. What I said is purely philosophical blb. I understand what you're saying completely. The reality is, as a head coach, that your hands are tied when it comes to assistants meeting expectations. They have the ability to in a round about kind of way dictate the schedule and responsibilities they will take on...and you're right...at what point do you let them go when you can't find anybody else? We have a very difficult time finding coaches up here as well. I just refuse to sacrifice my values as a head coach. They may not live up to them but that doesn't mean I stop having those high expectations of my assistant coaches. We don't do that with the kids involved in the program and I certainly won't do it with the adults. But I know exactly what you mean. |
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Post by drewdawg265 on May 3, 2011 9:53:00 GMT -6
I have two assistants that run our off-season and in-season lifting program. They do a way better job than I do when it comes to strength and conditioning. They work our guys hard and our team gets better. I pop in and out but rarely give instruction or push our players. I often just say hello, nice job and it is great to see you in here.
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Post by flexoption91 on May 3, 2011 12:25:55 GMT -6
I run the weight room so I am in there every day.
I agree with those that say if the kids are expected to be there than the coaches are as well.
I also see a huge difference in the way the players react to and respect me compared to some of the other coaches that never show up.
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Post by celtic on May 3, 2011 13:17:25 GMT -6
I run the weight room so I am in there every day. I agree with those that say if the kids are expected to be there than the coaches are as well. I also see a huge difference in the way the players react to and respect me compared to some of the other coaches that never show up. i agree with you coach. i am in the weight room for every session. unpaid, none the less. and i'm ok with that part of it. the kids see that you'll go that extra mile for them and i know they've got a heightened respect for me compared to other guys who show up once in a while. i'd have a tough time calling a kid out who blows off lifting when i'm not there all the time. i've gotten our boosters to buy in and get them new equipment, some cloth to wear in the weight room and some incentive t-shirts and stuff for reaching goals in there. they definitely appreciate that too and i know they're going to be willing to go the extra mile for me. |
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Post by k on May 3, 2011 16:28:10 GMT -6
Each coach takes a day in the weight room.
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Post by blb on May 3, 2011 16:42:13 GMT -6
Each coach takes a day in the weight room. How much are they paid? And, before you say it's an "expectation" for being member of the staff - read some of the other posts about school district cuts on here. |
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Post by k on May 3, 2011 18:56:27 GMT -6
How much are they paid? And, before you say it's an "expectation" for being member of the staff - read some of the other posts about school district cuts on here. I was just saying what we do nothing more. Head coach makes 7500. Each assistant coach makes 5000. I think asking each coach to take one day a week is far preferable to a bunch of posts above which say that every coach should be there every day. =) |
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Post by cqmiller on May 3, 2011 19:14:10 GMT -6
Head coach makes 7500. Each assistant coach makes 5000. WOW... Your assistants make double what I make as the HC. They better be there for that amount of money. |
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Post by 19delta on May 4, 2011 4:24:24 GMT -6
If I ever get another shot at being a head coach, one of the things I will stipulate to assistant coaches is that they will be expected to be in the weightroom at least two days a week in the offseason. As far as coaches who coach other sports, I'm simply not going to hire a guy who is going to coach basketball or wrestling in the winter and baseball or track in the spring. IMO, guys like that are stretched too thin and usually aren't able to make the commitment to football that is necessary for success. Lou Holtz had a great quote about this... "If he's got golf clubs in his truck or a camper in his driveway, I don't hire him."  |
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