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Post by John Knight on Apr 28, 2011 9:05:09 GMT -6
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Post by coachorr on Apr 28, 2011 9:31:19 GMT -6
That was tough for me to read. Very sad. Thank you, for sharing.
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Apr 28, 2011 9:35:58 GMT -6
I can't even imagine.
It makes you think twice before telling a kid that he is not tough enough and needs to push through it.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 28, 2011 9:50:20 GMT -6
That's crazy, stopping every 15 minutes and still this happens? That must have been some kind of heat. Makes me glad I don't live somewhere where heat risks are a big issue (though I had to cancel practice last week on account of a blizzard)
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Post by coachcb on Apr 28, 2011 9:53:30 GMT -6
I'm scheduling our camp practices very early and very late next year; 6am-7:30am and 6:00pm-7:30pm. My AD is going to throw a little temper tantrum because of the busing schedule but he can kiss my a--. We got stuck running our second practice at 1:00pm last summer, it set me off and I'm not doing it again. I told him running a practice at that time in the afternoon was dangerous and his reply would get him fired anywhere else:
"They need to learn to practice in the same heat they'll be playing in; our games are on Saturday afternoons."
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Post by John Knight on Apr 28, 2011 10:24:37 GMT -6
My son is a 17 year old senior next year. I will not forget Tyler's Story.
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Post by coachorr on Apr 28, 2011 10:26:37 GMT -6
I'm scheduling our camp practices very early and very late next year; 6am-7:30am and 6:00pm-7:30pm. My AD is going to throw a little temper tantrum because of the busing schedule but he can kiss my a--. We got stuck running our second practice at 1:00pm last summer, it set me off and I'm not doing it again. I told him running a practice at that time in the afternoon was dangerous and his reply would get him fired anywhere else: "They need to learn to practice in the same heat they'll be playing in; our games are on Saturday afternoons." The same thought crossed my mind. |
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Post by amikell on Apr 28, 2011 10:45:31 GMT -6
Thank you for sharing this.
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Post by gunrun on Apr 28, 2011 10:48:47 GMT -6
Tragic. I wonder what the heat index was that day. Must have been pretty high for that to have happened even with the breaks every 15 minutes.
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Post by coachgeorge31 on Apr 28, 2011 12:03:59 GMT -6
I worry about this every time we go out. Coaching in south Florida means trying to monitor every way possible. We break at least every 15 minutes plus, I have water girls standing at each station throughout practice. The kids get water whenever they need it. Some people may say that's soft, but that's the only way to lessen the possibility of heat stroke. We also stress that the players' diets need to be right. You never want that to happen to one of your kids, and then second guess yourself that you didn't do everything you could to stop it from happening.
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Post by coachood on Apr 28, 2011 14:21:10 GMT -6
I worry about this every time we go out. Coaching in south Florida means trying to monitor every way possible. We break at least every 15 minutes plus, I have water girls standing at each station throughout practice. The kids get water whenever they need it. Some people may say that's soft, but that's the only way to lessen the possibility of heat stroke. We also stress that the players' diets need to be right. You never want that to happen to one of your kids, and then second guess yourself that you didn't do everything you could to stop it from happening. I don't think thats soft at all, even during hell week, marine recruits get plenty of water. Dehydration is one of the few things that your body simply can not adjust to |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 29, 2011 7:45:44 GMT -6
I worry about this every time we go out. Coaching in south Florida means trying to monitor every way possible. We break at least every 15 minutes plus, I have water girls standing at each station throughout practice. The kids get water whenever they need it. Some people may say that's soft, but that's the only way to lessen the possibility of heat stroke. We also stress that the players' diets need to be right. You never want that to happen to one of your kids, and then second guess yourself that you didn't do everything you could to stop it from happening. \ You hear a coach call that "being soft", please punch them in the face for me. |
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Post by John Knight on Apr 29, 2011 8:17:02 GMT -6
So who agree this looks very stupid instead of motivational?
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Post by CoachCP on Apr 29, 2011 9:33:58 GMT -6
Clarksville High School in Arkansas is where my cousin played football, he was about 5 years older than me. I was down there for a week. It's one of the places that developed my love for high school football, even that early (small town atmosphere, the energy, ect...)
It was tough to read before I got to the last paragraph with the location, not it's even harder because I have a history there. My thoughts and prayers are with that community and family, even though this happened a while ago.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 29, 2011 9:40:30 GMT -6
Since many of you seem to have not known about this event (and probably have not watched the PBS documentary) I strongly encourage you to do so. You will find out "the rest of the story"
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Post by airraider on Apr 29, 2011 12:26:21 GMT -6
So who agree this looks very stupid instead of motivational? Without having to watch the clip, was it hot during the scene? |
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Post by John Knight on Apr 29, 2011 12:28:00 GMT -6
My point is, what if that kid had been pushed like that in the heat?
What would you say about the coach then? I mean it is a shorts day and they have their helmets off. Probably hot.
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Post by gdn56 on Apr 29, 2011 12:30:15 GMT -6
I worry about this every time we go out. Coaching in south Florida means trying to monitor every way possible. We break at least every 15 minutes plus, I have water girls standing at each station throughout practice. The kids get water whenever they need it. Some people may say that's soft, but that's the only way to lessen the possibility of heat stroke. We also stress that the players' diets need to be right. You never want that to happen to one of your kids, and then second guess yourself that you didn't do everything you could to stop it from happening. You hit it dead on about stressing that they take care of their body away from practice. The diets many of these kids have, along with the availability of supplements they often know nothing about can severely increase the risk of problems. In addition to alot of the things posters have talked about, I also encourage that everyone do the pre practice weigh ins everyday during camp, so that a kid who hasn't gained his weight back from the day before can't participate. Also posting the urine color charts in the restrooms around your facility can be helpful. Again, I stress that all of our kids STOP using supplements when camp begins....the weigh we train as football players increases your heart rate so much that it could be a disaster to artificially increase it even further. |
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Post by hamerhead on Apr 29, 2011 14:32:36 GMT -6
I'll throw another sping on the whole "Give them plenty of water" mantra.
In a game situation, when was the last time a kid was really without water? I mean, in between every series, end of quarter, timeouts, maybe the kid rotates in and out of the game (but maybe not). In our state, for the first three weeks of the season the state is required to take mandatory water breaks at the halfway point of each quarter. Officials blow it dead at a reasonable stopping point. It's like an additional timeout for each team (and officialls, who are probably more thirsty than the players).
It makes more sense in terms of preparing them for a game.
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Post by airman on Apr 29, 2011 15:29:28 GMT -6
I think in the future we are going to be talking about who and who cannot play football. Like it or not football is a physically demanding sport that I am not sure all kids should be allowed to play.
I for one do not like offensive and defensive lineman who have mid sections like a 50 year old sedentary man who sits at a desk all day. It shows me they have a poor diet and are most likely sedentary.
I would like to see a percentage body weight standards set so players have to meet them. This the child obesity problem plaguing out country this would be a good thing.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 29, 2011 16:51:07 GMT -6
I think in the future we are going to be talking about who and who cannot play football. Like it or not football is a physically demanding sport that I am not sure all kids should be allowed to play. I for one do not like offensive and defensive lineman who have mid sections like a 50 year old sedentary man who sits at a desk all day. It shows me they have a poor diet and are most likely sedentary. I would like to see a percentage body weight standards set so players have to meet them. This the child obesity problem plaguing out country this would be a good thing. I agree with you to a point, boss. I don't want to deal with body fat testing criteria. I've been there with BMI testing in PE classes and it was a nightmare. But, I think that it should be a part of the kids' physicals. At the very least, physicians need to start warning kids and parents about the dangers of walking into a sport grossly overweight. Maybe they need to fail those that are obviously too out of shape to participate. AND, they need to STOP using high level athletics as a tool for thinning these kids down. Parents need to understand that "being big" does not equate to being a good football player; I have heard that wayy too often. Honestly, PE/Health teachers and coaches have been educating kids on proper nutrition for years and it hasn't put a dent into it. |
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Post by John Knight on May 2, 2011 11:22:19 GMT -6
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