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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2011 8:31:02 GMT -6
Florida:
Hard to really say for me... I'm a new coach, and I'm also in NWFlorida where supposedly the talent isn't the same. But these are the teams that constantly seem to be at the top of everybody's list.
St. Thomas Aquinas Plant Manatee Miami Central Miami Northwestern Dr. Phillips Tallahassee Lincoln Dwyer Pine Forest (had to throw in a local school) Cocoa
NWF schools:
Pace: Small town feel, Big Time football. They've been running the same offense since the 80's and they still constantly compete every year. The definition of consistency, missed the playoffs for the first time in a long time last year.
Pine Forest: National Champs in 1988, they always seem like the most athletic team in the area (QB had a 99 yd sneak last year). It's a shame that they have very little support from the community because the kids are extremely classy for the area of town they're in.
Niceville: A military community. Players are disciplined and overachievers. Constantly compete at the top levels.
Pensacola: Coaching staff has really figured out how to coach inner city kids. So many athletes, very hard to defend.
Pensacola Catholic: Great program and coaching staff. 1a school that beats 5a schools 40-0.
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Post by sexybeast on Apr 26, 2011 8:37:30 GMT -6
Dr. Phillips.
How many times have they been past round 2? Ever?
Who has won the most games in central FL the last five years?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2011 8:42:35 GMT -6
These are the teams I consistently see in the paper. Don't really keep up with South Florida.
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Post by CoachShig on Apr 26, 2011 8:48:48 GMT -6
SC:
Summerville-4A Coach McKissick has been there longer than a lot of us have been alive, and they keep winning. They have not won state since '98, but they have played for a couple since then.
Byrnes-4A They have gotten national recognition over the last decade, but had won state championships in the 70's and 80's. They train hard and it shows in how they play.
Gaffney-4A They have won a ton state championships and they have been spread out over the years. They are talented every year and always a contender to win it all.
Northwestern-4A They have been great for the past 25 or so years. They have won a 3 state titles over that time. They have played in the 3 title games, winning it this past year.
Rock Hill-4A They have always been a threat with the talent they have. They have won 2 state titles in the past 10 years. They have produced quite a few NFL players. Northwestern and South Pointe are in the same town, and they have turned out some talents also.
South Pointe-3A They have only had 5 varsity seasons, but have won 1 title and played for another. They have had players that are either in or entering college this year that will be NFL players some day.
Pageland Central-2A They are out in the middle of nowhere, but they are tough. They won state this past season, and played for it the past 3 seasons. They are always in the running for a title and play tough.
Woodruff-2A They have not won a title in a while, but no one wants to play them. They always make a run come playoff time, and their fan support is second to none.
Abbeville-1A They won state this past season. They do not have a ton of titles, but are always a team to reckon with when the playoffs roll around.
Clinton-3A Another tough, physical team that just wins. They are not flashy, but they get results. They won a title in '09 and played for another in '05.
Greenwood-4A I know this is 11, but these guys deserve to be mentioned. They won a title in '06 and played for one last year. They have won 6 total and 3 within the past 12 years.
Honorable mentions: Irmo, Myrtle Beach, Daniel, Greer, Union, Batesburg-Leesville, Berkeley, and Lamar
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Post by realdawg on Apr 26, 2011 8:51:45 GMT -6
I would add Dorman to the list of SC schools.
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Post by casec11 on Apr 26, 2011 8:54:14 GMT -6
Florida: Hard to really say for me... I'm a new coach, and I'm also in NWFlorida where supposedly the talent isn't the same. But these are the teams that constantly seem to be at the top of everybody's list. St. Thomas Aquinas Plant Manatee Miami Central Miami Northwestern Dr. Phillips Tallahassee Lincoln Dwyer Pine Forest (had to throw in a local school) Cocoa NWF schools: Pace: Small town feel, Big Time football. They've been running the same offense since the 80's and they still constantly compete every year. The definition of consistency, missed the playoffs for the first time in a long time last year. Pine Forest: National Champs in 1988, they always seem like the most athletic team in the area (QB had a 99 yd sneak last year). It's a shame that they have very little support from the community because the kids are extremely classy for the area of town they're in. Niceville: A military community. Players are disciplined and overachievers. Constantly compete at the top levels. Pensacola: Coaching staff has really figured out how to coach inner city kids. So many athletes, very hard to defend. Pensacola Catholic: Great program and coaching staff. 1a school that beats 5a schools 40-0. Some of those have come around in recent years but i will agree with these St. Thomas Aquinas Plant Manatee and add Lakeland couple more bolles pahokee glades central Naples
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Post by CoachShig on Apr 26, 2011 8:58:05 GMT -6
Yeah to Dorman, especially the past decade or so. Before that they were just kind of there and had a great season every now and then.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 26, 2011 9:16:15 GMT -6
Nebraska
No specific Order- Last 10 Years or so:
Millard North Millard South Omaha Creighton Prep Crete Aurora Lincoln Southwest Millard West Lincoln Pius X Omaha North Omaha Skutt Catholic
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Post by waltkus72 on Apr 26, 2011 9:59:01 GMT -6
No Apopka in Florida? I thought they beat Dr. Phillips 2 years ago... I thought they won it all three or four years ago?
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Post by veerbone on Apr 26, 2011 10:00:42 GMT -6
I'd add Notre Dame-Crowley, Bastrop, Neville, and Acadiana to that list. Yes, I could have put Acadiana up there with parkview and south plaquemines. I wasn't sure how to really proceed after ECA, JC AND WM. There is a clump of quality teams that seem to replace each other in the mix each year... teams like Destrehan, Hanville, Salmen, Franklinton, Neville OCS, Ruston, Bastrop, Notre Dame, Shaw, Redemptorist, St. Charles Catholic etc. Quality teams that fluctuate between GOOD and REALLY good each year. Just my opinion, but in Louisiana, its the Big 3...and then every body else. I feel stupid that I forgot to add Oak grove to that list...last year was the first time since 1997 that they didn't make it to at least the quarterfinals. And I agree 100% on the "Big 3"
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Post by coachriley on Apr 26, 2011 10:08:43 GMT -6
New Mexico:
in no particular order...
1. Las Cruces High-5A 2. Las Cruces Mayfield-5A 3. Artesia-4A 4. La Cueva-5A 5. Goddard-4A 6. Santa Rosa-2A 7. Aztec-4A
Honestly, these are the only programs that come to mind that are always at the top of the rankings or near it every year.
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Post by huskyskins on Apr 26, 2011 11:06:53 GMT -6
Washington State:
Bellevue 3A - The gold standard "program" in the state. Won 8 of last 10 state championships at their classification, beat DLS and Cal Poly along the way. People move to Bellevue, so their kids will be Wolverines.
Skyline 3A/4A - First or second place finisher in seven of last eleven years. Jake Heaps (BYU) and Kasen Williams (Washington) are recent graduates.
Tumwater 2A/3A/4A - Coach Sid Otton is winningest coach in state and just won his fifth state title.
DeSales 2B - 11 championship game appearances from 1985-2007, with five wins.
O'Dea 3A - Six championship game appearances dating back to 1991, with three wins.
After those five it is tough to say. There are teams that flash for 3-5 years and then disappear. There are some really good teams out there that could probably be mentioned: Lakes, Kennedy Catholic, South Kitsap, Prosser, and Lynden come to mind. I'm sure I'm missing someone.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 26, 2011 11:09:39 GMT -6
In SC, the modern playoff system has only been in play since 1960. Before that some state championships were voted on or awarded. The SCHSL does recognize some, but omits others before this time frame.
Rock Hill -> Northwestern, South Pointe. Rock Hill was the original school of the city, and because of the close proximity to Charlotte and Lake Wylie, has grown tremendously. Lot of talent in that area. South Pointe probably shouldn't qualify since it hasn't been around long, but that part of the city it draws from is where most of the NFL talent in town has come from and it is only a matter of time.
Summerville is the reason for the creation of the dreaded Big 16. Coach McKissick has won more football games than anyone in the history of the universe (think Bear Bryant if his entire career was at Alabama). High growth area near the coast where several new high schools have broken off of from SHS. If all the kids were still at Summerville, there would be 6000+ kids in the building.
SC being a rural state has some areas that because of the location hasn't seen growth and the schools that represent these areas have slipped down in classification over the years. Nobody in the state is building new schools of less than 1500+ in size. Therefore there are a lot of team that have go been able to contend better over the years simply because they staying the same size, not because they are getting smaller. Here are a couple that don't fall into that category. These small school can't compete with the larger ones, but in their own right are the top dogs.
Abbeville is a in small rural area, and like a lot of the rural areas of SC, haven't seen the grown that has been experienced on the coast or near the Interstates (85/26 and 26/20). AHS has won titles in 3 different classifications: AAA-1, AA-3, A-1
Blackville-Hilda is another rural school that is consistently in the mix in A, and has won 7 titles. Has won over 400 games in the last 50 years. Still run the Bone and the 50.
Lake View has been playing football since they invented dirt. Small town ball with 8 titles. Another Bone/50 team. 464 wins in 50 years. They are basically a write in for the Semis every year.
Pageland Central consolidated in 1976 (34 years) and has won 24 region titles and 4 state titles. And you guessed it they run the Bone. One of the few teams that have experienced consolidation and it helped them to take off.
Greer is in a large district (1 of 14 schools) that really pays no attention to football. The numbers don't jump out, 3 titles 400 wins, but the fact that they do as well as they do in their district does stand out.
Conway is another honorable mention, no titles, always the bridesmaid. Irmo has a title, but also has the bridesmaid funk. Union's 5 came in 1 decade.
In SC there are no private schools that even come close, only a couple compete with the public schools. Most are in a private league and many play 6-8 man ball. Christ Church does have 1 state title, though.
There is a bit of a disparity between the Up State and the Low State. When you think about the better teams, most are from the Up State, but when you think about the better players most are in the Low State. General statement, but true none the less.
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Post by blb on Apr 26, 2011 11:20:31 GMT -6
In Michigan the "power" has shifted in last several years to the Grand Rapids and Muskegon area.
There are still some consistently strong programs around Detroit and in Upper Peninsula but most state champions and runners-up have come from the West side.
Private schools still well-represented too.
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Post by coachhart on Apr 26, 2011 11:30:05 GMT -6
I have to agree with blb in regards to the state of Michigan. The true powers are out west. Here's what I could come up with, in no particular order:
East Grand Rapids, Muskegon, Rockford, Macomb Dakota, Farmington Hills Harrison, Birmingham Brother Rice, Novi Detroit Catholic Central, Menominee, Muskegon Oakridge (I coached near Detroit so I'm most familiar with those schools)
In Virginia where I'm at now (at least at the AAA level):
Phoebus, Stonebridge, Westfield, Oscar Smith all come to mind right away - there are certainly some more guys on here that have a better basis than I do in terms of VA ball
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Post by CoachF on Apr 26, 2011 12:05:53 GMT -6
Alabama, last ten years in no order...number indicate how many years out of the last 11 they have played for a state title and how many titles they have won total
Hoover(6A-10/11, 8) Prattville(6A-5/11, 4) Daphne(6A-5/11, 2) Homewood(5A-5/11, 6) Briarwood Christian(5A-3/11, 4) UMS-Wright(4A-4/11, 5) Demopolis(5A-2/11, 2) Leroy(2A-6/11, 5) Sweetwater(1A-5/11, 5) Clay County(1A-6/11, 6)
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Post by qbguru on Apr 26, 2011 12:53:33 GMT -6
Louisiana-- I don't know if I can go top ten, but I will hit on the cream of the crop. John Curtis Christian-- 25+ state titles in 3 different enrollment classifications (even though their enrollment hasn't ever surpassed 2A--they played up in 3A and 4A for many years until a rule change prevented it) Family owned/operated school. HC is founders son, DC is his brother. HC sons and other relatives fill much of the staff. Heavily accused of providing illegal financial aid and illegal recruiting, especially in their earlier years to build a program that now "doesn't have to recruit,the players choose us" Football wise,they run the split back veer, but generally only execute the give phase and the cutback. Occasionally QB keeps, mainly on outside veer. Mostly a 3-4 or Fifty defense. Evangel Christian Academy-- 12 or more state championships I believe, in classes 1A, 3A, 5A, and now down in 2A due to the rule change mentioned Above. Sometimes referred to as John Curtis north. Took a very similar organizational model and implemented it in North Louisiana. Very similar accusations regarding financial aid and illegal recruiting to "get the ball rolling" The "father" of the team is Pastor Duron, who has been the consistent point even though the HC position has fluctuated a decent amount--more than one would anticipate for such a successful program. Program has undergone an interesting change after religious differences caused a split, and the Booty Family left Evangel. Another change is the demographics of the roster. During its first championship, the team closely resembled its school population...mostly white kids who would be attending ECA regardless of football stature... and a few coach's sons who were great players. When it was playing up in 5A, the team hardly resembled its schools population..at least the 30-35 or so kids that one would consider "Varsity" didn't. Not in size, race, etc. Offense has always been spread pass based, but has fluctuated in its implementation, going from a 7-9 yard shotgun under when Booty was QB, to more of a AirRaid type formation/concept recently. West Monroe-- Public school that was perennial doormat until Don Shows took over as coach. He brought them to state and national prominence, with his first state title in 1993, and 4 or 5 more since. Made football HUGE in the area (which is a financially well off area of North Louisiana). Regularly sells out its season tickets of 10,000+ the day they go on sale in May. As with all "powers" allegations of illegal recruiting exist, but not as widespread as the two private schools mentioned. WM runs an I formation Option offense. A couple more that I have less info/knowledge of Haynesville-a stones throw from Ark. They have been a small school power for decades, and have 6 or 7 titles I believe. (maybe more) Wing-T team, but more of a power wing T as opposed to a deleware wing t. South Plaquemines-- A new school, formed after Hurricane Katrina from the remnants of 3 coastal schools. Parkview Baptist- 76-14 the last 6 seasons, with 2 state titles and at least a quarterfinal appearance in all but one of those seasons. Flexbone offense. YOU'VE GOTTA INCLUDE CROWLEY-NOTRE DAME! Louis Cook is the best coach in the state!
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Post by drewdawg265 on Apr 26, 2011 15:51:09 GMT -6
Washington State; 1. Bellevue: beat dls in 2004 and ended the streak. Changed the whole culture of football in the state. Runs the wing-t and is typically the most physical team in the state. Also runs the offense with speed and great fakes-pad level. 2. Skyline; another team with a ton of talent and success. Totally opposite of bellevue. Runs the spread and wins with finesse style of offense. Great qbs and wrs. Both bellevue and skyline are at a level above everyone else in the state right now. Between the two of them they have won 13 state champonships in the two highest classifications since 2000. Since that time I think bellevue and skyline are 3-3 against each other. Best of the rest in no partorder. Lakes: great athletes with a ton of speed. Combo of spread and I formation sets. Union: new school in 2005. I-formation power football. Ferris: spread team that recently beat skyline in state title. Bothell; physical I form and spread. Runs a pro-style offense. Very good program that has come close but fallen short of winning state title. Lynden; smaller classification but plays very good football. Spread team that won some 2a titles but also made it far in playoffs when they were 3a. I am sure I left some good ones out. To be honest there are a number of very good programs but no one from the best of the rest categories have been able to surpass bellevue or skyline.
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Post by coachmartin47 on Apr 26, 2011 16:21:43 GMT -6
New York - Long Island (Nassau, Suffolk county)
St Anthony's
North Babylon
Bellport
Sayville
William Floyd
Freeport
Farmingdale
Garden City
Lawerance
Seaford
Roosevelt
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Post by CoachShig on Apr 26, 2011 16:58:42 GMT -6
Spartanburg deserves an honorable mention in SC also.
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Post by WolvesHC on Apr 26, 2011 17:26:19 GMT -6
I'm from PA and coach in the WPIAL. Below are schools from each class that I feel are the top programs consistently.
AAAA - Pittsburgh Central Catholic, Woodland Hills, Upper St. Clair, Gateway AAA - Thomas Jefferson, Hopewell, Blackhawk (dominant in the 90s) Central Valley may became the next powerhouse at AAA AA - Aliquippa, Greensburg Central Catholic, Jeanette A - Clairton, Rochestor Pittsburgh City League - Perry
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Post by coachbrek on Apr 27, 2011 7:50:04 GMT -6
North Dakota
14 teams in AAA, Fargo South, Bismarck High, West Fargo
16 teams in AA, Fargo Shanley, Lisbon, Dickinson Trinity,
24 teams in A, Velva, Watford City, Harvey
46 teams in 9-man, Napoleon, Mott, Hillsboro,
These teams are always in the playoffs.
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Post by coachbrown3 on Apr 27, 2011 10:41:17 GMT -6
About the PA schools, not really saying any of those schools is markedly better. The real question is what are we basing this off of, CBW has really fallen off in recent years, Bethlehem Catholic had a heck of a run in the late 90s. Manheim Central has been pretty consistant. But with multiple classes and the fairly recent development of the state championships, I'm not sure how to compare the PA schools. Agreed, it is difficult with only a little over 20 years of actual state championships to compare. Also, consolidation and expansion of school districts has changed the landscape too. CBW is a great example b/c the main reason they fell off for a few years was the opening of CB South, which took away from some of their talent. I guess the criteria I'm going with is if I saw one these teams on the schedule, who would give you that feeling of "Uh-oh" or if you saw that they were playing a team in your area, would you pay to see them (scouting doesn't count)
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Post by wolfden12 on Apr 27, 2011 11:01:08 GMT -6
Ohio- No particular order
Cleveland St. Ignatius - The gold standard the last 25 years in Division 1. 10 state titles and 1 runner-up
Newark Catholic - Small school standard. 8 state titles and 5 runner-up. Made the state final game 1980-1987. Youngstown Cardinal Mooney - Been a traditional power for the last 40 years. Have dropped divisions based on economy in Youngstown. 7 state titles and 3 runner up. Known for producing great head coaches such as Pelini's and Stoops'
Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller - Owned the state in the late seventies and early eighties. 7 state championships and 4 runner up.
Delphos St. Johns - small school division with 6 state championships and 1 runner up in the last 15 years.
Columbus St. Francis DeSales - 3 state championships and 5 runner up
Coldwater - 2 state championships and 3 runner up and made the playoffs the last 14 years straight. Play in arguably the toughest conference regardless of division in the state
Ironton - small school that had produced 2 state championships and 6 runner-up. Have made the playoffs 23 out of the last 25 years.
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Post by coachbrown3 on Apr 27, 2011 11:12:27 GMT -6
@wolfden-no massilon, elder, or steubenville?
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Post by k on Apr 27, 2011 11:56:18 GMT -6
Below is a list of the top winning percentages in state history. (A-4A). Connecticut.
Hyde-New Haven .770 public urban charter school like 95% black and the most respectful team in the state. But only has existed since 1998. Smallest public school with a team in the state. Top end NFL talent. From our perspective poorly coached with insane athletes. (A)
Hand-Madison .757 Larger Wealthy 95% white suburb with an elite school system. (3A) Been winning since the 1970s...
Ledyard .717 Only seen them play twice dont have much to say. (2A)
Ansonia .701 This is probably the number one program in the state. Small high minority suburban district. Something like 27 state titles. (A). Been winning since the 1800s....
New Britain .694 They haven't been good in a while but have the most wins in the state history. Bunch of NFL players. Largest high school in the state. Urban district largely Hispanic. (4A) Been winning since the 1800s...
Southington .681 Very large school, majority white but very diverse. First team I saw in the state spread it out 4/5 wide and throw 80% of the time. (4A)
Conard .669 Kinda shocked they are on this list to be honest. They don't win states and haven't had any amazing years. When we played them in high school we romped up on them year after year diverse suburban district in a wealthy town that the wealthy families send their kids to private schools in high numbers so the public districts have become minority-majority districts even if the town itself isnt. (3A)
Brien McMahon-Norwalk .623 This program must have been really good at one time cause they are AWFUL now and have been for as long as I can remember(urban district) (4A)
Xavier-Middletown .621 HUGE catholic school, they have just recently gotten good again, they have a history of being a top program in the 70s but spent the better part of two decades as a joke. New coach recruits the youth leagues pretty heavy and has turned it around. (4A)
New Canaan .619 This is probably the dominant program in the state in the last ten years. They win year after year in the 2nd and 3rd largest classifications. 100% white and very wealthy town. (3A)
Berlin .602 - They've made it to the semi finals like 15 times in the last 20 years or something but have one state title to show for it. Middle class mostly white suburb. (2A) Been winning since the 1920s.
I took a couple schools including the top percentage team (Cromwell .871-A) off the list because they've not played for ten years.
Also the two most dominant periods of high school football in our state in its history have been by schools not on this list. Cheshire (4A) and Bloomfield (A) put together strings of like 7-8 state championships in a row or something silly in the 90s.
Bloomfield at one time in the late 90s had 5 NFL players on the roster at one time and 15+ D1 players. We scrimmaged them I had the pleasure of Dwight Freeney (DE- Colts) destroying me and Andrew Pinnock running me over (FB-Chargers). Dwight Anderson (RB-Rams/Panthers/Canada) was also on the team but he didnt start as a junior.... Yeah... They also had two current NFL players who were Freshmen and thus didn't play in the varsity scrimmage...
Cheshire put together an even better run of years and did so without any real NFL quality talent in a much larger classification.
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Post by gdn56 on Apr 27, 2011 12:08:39 GMT -6
Alabama, last ten years in no order...number indicate how many years out of the last 11 they have played for a state title and how many titles they have won total Hoover(6A-10/11, 8) Prattville(6A-5/11, 4) Daphne(6A-5/11, 2) Homewood(5A-5/11, 6) Briarwood Christian(5A-3/11, 4) UMS-Wright(4A-4/11, 5) Demopolis(5A-2/11, 2) Leroy(2A-6/11, 5) Sweetwater(1A-5/11, 5) Clay County(1A-6/11, 6) I like this list. I thought about creating one for Alabama but it is really tough because there is such a disparity in the classifications. I mean, there is no doubt that those smaller programs dominate those classifications, but they aren't really on the level of some of those perennial semi and quarter-final 6a teams (i.e. Davidson, etc...).
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Post by coachsky on Apr 27, 2011 14:01:27 GMT -6
Washington State; 1. Bellevue: beat dls in 2004 and ended the streak. Changed the whole culture of football in the state. Runs the wing-t and is typically the most physical team in the state. Also runs the offense with speed and great fakes-pad level. 2. Skyline; another team with a ton of talent and success. Totally opposite of bellevue. Runs the spread and wins with finesse style of offense. Great qbs and wrs. Both bellevue and skyline are at a level above everyone else in the state right now. Between the two of them they have won 13 state champonships in the two highest classifications since 2000. Since that time I think bellevue and skyline are 3-3 against each other. Best of the rest in no partorder. Lakes: great athletes with a ton of speed. Combo of spread and I formation sets. Union: new school in 2005. I-formation power football. Ferris: spread team that recently beat skyline in state title. Bothell; physical I form and spread. Runs a pro-style offense. Very good program that has come close but fallen short of winning state title. Lynden; smaller classification but plays very good football. Spread team that won some 2a titles but also made it far in playoffs when they were 3a. I am sure I left some good ones out. To be honest there are a number of very good programs but no one from the best of the rest categories have been able to surpass bellevue or skyline. I agree with most of your comments In WA state Skyline and Bellevue are clearly the top two programs. After the top two, I think Ferris, Bothell and Tumawater are the next best programs. I think Lake actually has some of the best talent year in and out, but underperform in the playoffs There are a few other private school programs (Odea, Kennedy, ATM) that have talent levels way above their classification level that dominate their weak divisions and then regularly get knocked off in the playoffs. There are another 8-10 programs that you can count on being up there every year.
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Post by emptybackfield on Apr 27, 2011 15:53:34 GMT -6
Missouri:
KC Rockhurst Blue Springs Blue Springs South Hazelwood Central Webb City Ray Pec DeSmet Jefferson City Lees Summit West
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Post by jturner on Apr 27, 2011 16:18:44 GMT -6
Indiana: Warren Central Center Grove Lafayette Central Catholic Bishop Chatard Cathedral Evansville Reitz Carmel North Putnam Fountain Central
Some good ones that are somewhat down based upon W-L Records: Sheridan Pioneer Ben Davis
There are obviously others, and I'm open to suggestions.
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