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Post by cookiemonster on Jun 24, 2005 17:56:52 GMT -6
We were talking football in the office and someone asked the question why don't we use our fieldgoal team to try and angle kick when we have the ball around midfield.Also as scarry as it is punting backed up would it be better to use our FG team in that situation because of protection issues. What do yall think
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Post by cookiemonster on Jun 25, 2005 14:55:10 GMT -6
Anyone one with a thought about this.
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Post by tog on Jun 25, 2005 16:08:00 GMT -6
as long as you knew you were kicking it out of bounds and those big fat guys didn't have to cover
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Post by cookiemonster on Jun 26, 2005 7:18:57 GMT -6
Exactly tog we discused that and we thought you would have to kick it out of bounds.The coach who brought it up said he saw it in the AFCA book and that some D-111 school was doing this.He said the guy had some very good points as to why they do it.They went back and studied their films and they improved their field position by 12yds while kicking backed up.
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Post by cre44 on Jun 26, 2005 13:19:34 GMT -6
do a study on how many yards you are averaging on the punt and then see how far your kicker can kick it. Probably a big difference. We did this accidentally 2 years ago when we had a very good kicker and went for a 55+ field goal...the kid shanked it and we had to cover. Worked pretty well though...
We've thought about it. Especially when your punter is averaging about 18 yards per kick.
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Post by cookiemonster on Jun 26, 2005 16:19:53 GMT -6
I think your kicker would also be real accurate on getting the ball out of bounds inside the 20.
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Post by Oz1 on Jun 27, 2005 22:37:31 GMT -6
Anyone one with a thought about this. i think you are freaking nuts
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Post by cookiemonster on Jun 28, 2005 8:40:40 GMT -6
Hey Oz what do you think the negatives would be and why?
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Post by Oz1 on Jun 28, 2005 8:55:35 GMT -6
i just think that by game planning the situation I would bring an all out block, like fg block and extra point block. Use the same points of attacks
but, that is just me
I could be and have been wrong before
I would like to see it on film and in game situation to really get a good fill for it
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Post by cookiemonster on Jun 28, 2005 9:12:28 GMT -6
I think its alot easier to protect an extra point than a punt.I would like to see it also so why don't you do it next year so I can see if it has any merrit.
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Post by Oz1 on Jun 28, 2005 9:18:58 GMT -6
I do not think that my HC would go for that
he already is a little worried about our punt protection scheme but since i took over the punt team we have not had a punt blocked because of protection
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 28, 2005 12:08:31 GMT -6
i wouldn't bring in the big butts from the field goal team, but would rather just change my alignment and protection scheme. would go to a tight punt formation and protect inside. use 3 personal protectors (the "elephant" punt formation) to help in securing from inside-out. coverage is limited so you will still need guys on the field that can run and get into coverage lanes.
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Post by CVBears on Jan 7, 2007 19:48:20 GMT -6
has any one done this or seen it in the past seasons?
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Post by Yash on Jan 7, 2007 20:21:31 GMT -6
I like the idea, you get a better true bounce on kick than a punt too. less chance of completely shanking it. I'd give it a look. Somethign to look at during the summer.
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Post by fort on Jan 7, 2007 20:26:24 GMT -6
I wanted to do it this season, but didn't get a chance to. Our kicker was also our punter, and he got better hang-time and distance (even without a roll) on his placekicks. This is something I'll be trying to talk our HC into doing next season.
I was thinking along the lines of Coach Huey that it doesn't have to be the FG personnel/formation. I've been meaning to toy with the idea and develop something to try out, but haven't had the time. I'd love to hear ideas on how to go about it.
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Post by djwesp on Jan 7, 2007 20:36:05 GMT -6
We've done it! We did ours in long field goal range (we had a good field goal kicker) and people wouldn't go back there to cover it. We could really pin people back.
We didn't do it regularly and we wouldn't have done it if they had a returner back there.
We've also free kicked after long kick off returns before halftime. (something most people don't do)
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Post by airraider on Jan 7, 2007 21:13:33 GMT -6
East St. John of out Louisiana does a fg punt. Their kicker, Radi Jabour, had a 59 yard field goal this year. He also hit the up right on a 62 yarder. He tries to make them whenever they are in this range, but it doesnt matter if they miss because they are using it as a punt.
Do a search on Radi Jabour and you might be able to find the video of his 59 yarder.
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Post by fort on Jan 7, 2007 21:28:03 GMT -6
We've also free kicked after long kick off returns before halftime. (something most people don't do) Explain the rules on the free kick a little for me, please. I think I understand it, but I'm not 100% sure. Are you Fed or NCAA? I believe in the NFL, it has to be done off of a fair catch, IIRC. You say you've done it after long returns, so the rule must be quite a bit different.
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Post by djwesp on Jan 7, 2007 21:47:30 GMT -6
We've also free kicked after long kick off returns before halftime. (something most people don't do) Explain the rules on the free kick a little for me, please. I think I understand it, but I'm not 100% sure. Are you Fed or NCAA? I believe in the NFL, it has to be done off of a fair catch, IIRC. You say you've done it after long returns, so the rule must be quite a bit different. Adapted fed. In most states, I assume that you have to fair catch the ball to do this. Would make it difficult. For us, you could do it as the play following the return. Since 2004, we've used the explicit Fed version of this (cuts down how you can use it greatly). Scooter Register at Little Rock Catholic is the "king of the free kick" down here. He did this frequently with the old rule (while at El Dorado) and still does it frequently now with the adaptation of the complete fed rule concerning it.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 7, 2007 22:11:58 GMT -6
Try this. Great for punts around midfield. Can run a variety of fakes. Specifically sprint out routes and QB runs to trips side. click for video
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Post by lochness on Jan 8, 2007 5:41:09 GMT -6
I saw a team do this a few years ago against a team that had the best football player in the state returning punts against them. It worked very well for them.
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Post by billbrasky on Jan 9, 2007 13:49:04 GMT -6
More people have to touch the ball on a FG than on a punt, ie the holder. So there are more chances for someone to screw things up. Just watch a cowboys game and see if you think that is still a good idea.
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Post by sooiepig on Jan 9, 2007 14:25:06 GMT -6
what's up cookie?
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