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Post by coachtrox on Apr 11, 2011 10:31:32 GMT -6
Coaches,
This year we are going to have to play kids on both sides. Only 3 guys but they must get reps in practice on both sides. How do some of you guys set up your schedules to ensure they are getting enough reps on both sides.
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Post by John Knight on Apr 11, 2011 10:56:30 GMT -6
You have to be careful that they don't get so many reps that they are worn out come Friday! If you are so thin that you have a high percent going both ways on friday you walk a fine line between getting in condition to play and over conditioning.
Mental reps are as important as physical ones and Friday is much more important than wed.
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Post by hamerhead on Apr 11, 2011 11:03:48 GMT -6
We practice everybody on both sides of the ball. We're a small school (though that term is extremely relative) so we set it up like this.
OL Coach is also that DL coach
Our QB coach also works with DBs
OUr RB coach is also our ILB coach
Our WR coach works with OLBs
We have a volunteer coach as well who usually works with DBs, but if he's able to attend the offensive part of practice, he works with the RBs.
The first 50-60 mins of practice are offense (usually) and the next 50-60 mins are defense. Sometimes we'll flip them. The remaining time (we normally go about 2.5 hours) is spent on conditioning, special teams, team drills, or allocated to the offense or defense as needed.
Honestly, I think even if I were in a full platoon situation where I had a seperate offense and defense and enough coaches for each, I'd still be tempted to practice kids on both sides of the ball, I'd just split up JV and Varsity. First half the practice JV'd be on D, Varsity on O. Second half we'd flip.
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Post by gapshoot76 on Apr 11, 2011 17:16:49 GMT -6
We practice everybody on both sides of the ball. We're a small school (though that term is extremely relative) so we set it up like this. OL Coach is also that DL coach Our QB coach also works with DBs OUr RB coach is also our ILB coach Our WR coach works with OLBs We have a volunteer coach as well who usually works with DBs, but if he's able to attend the offensive part of practice, he works with the RBs. The first 50-60 mins of practice are offense (usually) and the next 50-60 mins are defense. Sometimes we'll flip them. The remaining time (we normally go about 2.5 hours) is spent on conditioning, special teams, team drills, or allocated to the offense or defense as needed. Honestly, I think even if I were in a full platoon situation where I had a seperate offense and defense and enough coaches for each, I'd still be tempted to practice kids on both sides of the ball, I'd just split up JV and Varsity. First half the practice JV'd be on D, Varsity on O. Second half we'd flip. I second all of this. We wouldn't be able to survive without at least 6 kids going both ways. We get them rest on friday nights by subbing them out on Defense. I'm the HC and DC, and the way I see it, if we can't score points, we can't win. I can put that kid in on defensive line who may be a change of pace for the OL he's going against, but I can't afford to lose whatever continuity we have on the offensive line. I also see it very valuable that all kids know both sides. Injuries do happen, and you want your best 11 possible on the field when that happens. Just my $0.02 I've never coached in a situation where platooning is possible so that may mold some of my beliefs. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 11, 2011 18:29:46 GMT -6
If you are capable to 2 platoon everyone else, is there any time during the week they can spare being on their "original" side and work with the other side of the ball? How about when you rep special teams or during team periods, sub them out and put them with the other side...hope that makes sense.
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Post by riggsbm on Apr 11, 2011 19:14:04 GMT -6
I agree with hammerhead and gapshoot...
When I was in high school kids never came off the field. You played offense, defense, special teams, and never wanted to come off the field.
Our motto is the best 11 need to be on the field, even if your star RB is your best LB.
We coach varsity an jv in NC. Half way through practice we flip which group in on offense and defense. Yes it makes for some long practices sometimes, but each player will know an offensive and defensive position.
We always lift and run year around, but this year we started a speed training program in the winter which is football specific and invloves lots of combine and position type speed drills. We are hoping by august they will be in the best shape of anyone we play.
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Post by JVD on Apr 15, 2011 6:19:21 GMT -6
Our average number of players is around 18, so we have a lot that go on O and D.
We also have quite a few that have to learn more than one position (2 years ago one of our hard running HB's also had to play guard).
We do indy O, then Team O (Scout D)
Then we will switch and do Team D (Scout O)
The next day we will do indy D, then team D (Scout O)
Then we will switch and do Team O (Scout D)
I think the key to having a successful small school program is to do less better.
Simple but hard nose football.
JVD
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Post by davishfc on Apr 15, 2011 6:29:54 GMT -6
We coach varsity an jv in NC. Half way through practice we flip which group in on offense and defense. Yes it makes for some long practices sometimes, but each player will know an offensive and defensive position. Could you elaborate more on the format of your practices? I understand they can get long because we're in the same situation. I'm just wondering what segments you do at what points in practice. Thanks in advance Coach. |
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Post by davishfc on Apr 15, 2011 6:32:00 GMT -6
I think the key to having a successful small school program is to do less better. Simple but hard nose football. Well said JVD. |
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Post by blb on Apr 16, 2011 9:12:14 GMT -6
I think the key to having a successful small school program is to do less better. Simple but hard nose football. jvd, I think this is a great statement too (like davishfc). However, could you elaborate a little? What do you consider a "small school program"? I coach at a school of 470 kids but we're still Class B (barely)-Division 5 playoffs despite being a LOT closer to smallest football-playing school than the biggest. Also, how simple can you be in terms of Offense and Defense and have enough? Although we predominantly see 4-4 Defenses or some variation thereof, Offensively we will face everything from Single Wing to Empty. |
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Post by davishfc on Apr 16, 2011 11:33:58 GMT -6
I think the key to having a successful small school program is to do less better. Simple but hard nose football. jvd, I think this is a great statement too (like davishfc). However, could you elaborate a little? What do you consider a "small school program"? I coach at a school of 470 kids but we're still Class B (barely)-Division 5 playoffs despite being a LOT closer to smallest football-playing school than the biggest. Also, how simple can you be in terms of Offense and Defense and have enough? Although we predominantly see 4-4 Defenses or some variation thereof, Offensively we will face everything from Single Wing to Empty. I'd like to know what JVD considers a small school as well because we're in the same boat as your program. 419 was our spring count for enrollment which will be used for the fall. That number would put us in Division 6 if we make the playoffs. But like you said, blb, how "simple" can you be in terms of Offense and Defense and have enough to win? I'm looking forward to discussing the answer to this question. |
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