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Post by hchscoachtom on May 1, 2006 11:09:51 GMT -6
I've got three good players who are real contributors to the team, who are considering not coming out for the '06 season. I've talked with them and their parents and it seems that the real issue is one of the other players on the team, whom they don't really like.
Not many boys on the team like him either, unfortunately he's the QB. He's a real hard worker, over achiever type, but also very arrogant, and "in your face" to other boys. He can also be unreliable to do what he's coached to do, ie. run plays that are sent in or fulfill defensive responsibility. When confronted about his actions there's always an excuse.
On top of all that his leadership style is yelling at the others when they don't block well, or don't catch passes. The rest of the team get real fed up with his antics.
I'm concerned that he has the potential to turn players away who are the fence. These others still questioning about next season are quite fed up with him.
I'm not sure what the sacrifice is or should be. Do I put the QB in another position ie tailback, and out of such a key role, and possibly secure these others? Or do I keep him at QB and turn the 3 (and possibly others) away? HELP. I'm not sleeping real well.
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Post by dmp225 on May 1, 2006 11:58:13 GMT -6
replace him...a player with this attitude should not be playing. let him think it over when he is sitting on the bench. Don't let respect be diminished by one player
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Post by knighter on May 1, 2006 11:58:39 GMT -6
i like what calande has to say about this
no player bigger than the team no team bigger than the program
qb needs to be taught how to lead, and what his role is, if he does not fulfill his role he must realize that everyone can be replaced.
Like Coach Boone said, "Who's your daddy Gary?"
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Post by dmp225 on May 1, 2006 12:04:23 GMT -6
i totally agree
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Post by blb on May 1, 2006 12:12:06 GMT -6
One of our Player Expectations is to "Talk your teammates up - never down" (corrections come from coaches only). An aspect of having a good attitude by our definition is to "Treat others as you wish to be treated."
I suggest you talk privately with your "Problem Child." Ask him if he can exhibit a good attitude and meet that other expectation. If he can't he is having a negative effect on team morale and you will have to have a "parting of the ways." Maybe give him a "three strikes" leash.
You can win with the ability of an athlete like him - but you can lose with him, too.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on May 1, 2006 12:51:22 GMT -6
He can also be unreliable to do what he's coached to do
In choosing between a guy who CAN'T do vs. a guy who WON'T do what you expect him to do, go with a CAN'T do... he'll bust his butt trying and will eventually be ABLE.
Still, I'd talk to the QB and let him know expectations, etc. If he is an overachiever, he does have some qualities you can build on. It seems from what you have said he thinks of himself as a leader, but goes about it in the wrong way.
If you have any kind of leadership training, get him involved. Have him write goals (personal and team)- what his goals are and HOW he can achieve them? Meet with him on this- are his team and even personal goals going to be met if everyone around him quits? Be proactive- helpful, encouraging, but lay down the law. Put him in a (minor) leadership role- in charge of delegating locker room clean up or weight room clean up- if he does OK there, have him (and other potential leaders) in charge of conditioning for a day of the week.
Team building activities are very important- come up with some things there... they do not have to be football related, but should be team related.
I've had a lot of guys like this- put him in a position where he has to earn his role. He will either come around and be great for your program, or he will quit/be let go and you will eliminate any doubt (especially from yourself).
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Post by groundchuck on May 1, 2006 13:40:39 GMT -6
Move on and focus on the players you do have. I would still talk with him and over the summer keep the though of playing in his head via a letter or phone call. But when it comes to fish or get off the boat and he is not on board cut bait and move on. I would also make plans for your schemes based on NOT having him since based on what I know from the kids I have coached he won't be there in the fall.
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Post by bulldogoption on May 1, 2006 13:55:18 GMT -6
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.
By keeping this kid real close to you, you can better control what he does. (If you want to keep him around, and it sounds like you do)
I'm not saying you have to kiss his butt, but a little positive reinforcement can go along ways towards getting the type of behavior you are looking for.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2006 14:00:57 GMT -6
I agree with what the others say but will add this: make sure however you handle it that he AND THE OTHER 3 PLAYERS know that it was you who is calling the shots. Nothing worse than going from 1 kid thinking he runs the team to 3 who think they do. Those 3 may not be like that, but it's just being safe.
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Post by oldwarrior on May 1, 2006 14:10:44 GMT -6
teach him this rule, all of our qb's must follow it or find a new position #1 rule of being a quaterback "It's always my fault" if the reciever drops a pass, QB's fault QB get sacked, QB's fault RB gets dropped for a two yd loss, QB's fault
a leader takes responsibility, he doesn't pass out blame if an olineman blows an assignment and the QB gets sacked and then the QB takes responsibility, that OLman is gonna start busting his butt to make up for his screwup any offensive screwup is the QB's fault and he will take responsibilty for it in front of his team
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Post by los on May 1, 2006 15:06:25 GMT -6
Sounds just like a kid who played qb on our team a couple seasons ago. Temper tantrums, excuses, blaming others! During a team scrimmage he got sacked and threw the football at the back of one of my linemens head.None of the regular coaches said much to him, but after practice, I told the boss if he did that crap again to any of my line guys again, I was gonna kick his ass! Well, before I had a chance to intervene, one of the senior linemen finally had enough and later that week at practice after the golden child smarted off to him, he body slammed him to the ground, busted him in the lip a few times and held him down there till the kid cried and gave in. This humbling experience staightend him out for the rest of that year and in fact seems to have made a new man out of him. LOL!
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Post by coachcalande on May 1, 2006 15:09:42 GMT -6
dont allow a boy to mistreat his team...team starts with a family "where we go one, we go all" attitude. id rather go 0-11 with good people than 11-0 with great players who were jerks.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on May 1, 2006 15:53:33 GMT -6
make sure however you handle it that he AND THE OTHER 3 PLAYERS know that it was you who is calling the shots.
Great point, Irish!
We have now, have had, and always will have guys who do not like each other, but if they can not work together, be comrades and help and support each other, they will not be a team. Intervene with whatever method (team building, leadership training, club someone over the head) to produce the unification needed. Whether it works or not, the team will benefit- because they will either all grow up and be stronger- or all be gone. No one is irreplaceable.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 1, 2006 16:20:47 GMT -6
make sure however you handle it that he AND THE OTHER 3 PLAYERS know that it was you who is calling the shots.Great point, Irish! We have now, have had, and always will have guys who do not like each other, but if they can not work together, be comrades and help and support each other, they will not be a team. Intervene with whatever method (team building, leadership training, club someone over the head) to produce the unification needed. Whether it works or not, the team will benefit- because they will either all grow up and be stronger- or all be gone. No one is irreplaceable. Definitley. Booting the kid is not the right approach- his actions are probably signs of frustration- if he is an over-achiever, then others not performing or keeping up with him can frustrate him. I would tell the troublemaker my expectations and make it a point that his actions hurt the team. You may want to take this kid under your wing and teach him how true leadership is conveyed. If you tell the troublemaker to straighten up and he does not, then he needs to go. On the other hand, have a meeting with the 3 kids and there parents and ask them if they really are going to let someone else dictate what goes on. Everyone is not going to act like an angel (they're fooling themselves if they think this) and they shouldn't let this guy get to them. We all work with A$$holes at one point in our lives, and we can't just stop showing up to work because of them! Bottome line- if they love football, they will stay- that's the way I look at it. If they can't nut up and deal with "family issues" like this then leave. Good luck coach.
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Post by jhanawa on May 1, 2006 17:01:09 GMT -6
Put your QB at guard and rotate your entire defensive Line through him so that he can show your Oline how they are supposed to block. Let him earn his way back to QB from the left end of the bench. IMO, end the mutiny now, either they learn to work together as a team or they become all american gasser champions.
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Post by hchscoachtom on May 1, 2006 19:28:05 GMT -6
Thanks for everyone's comments, suggestions, experiences. It's all worth considering. You guys have helped me think thru this whole thing with great insight. Thanks again. Coach Tom
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Post by airman on May 1, 2006 19:36:59 GMT -6
I've got three good players who are real contributors to the team, who are considering not coming out for the '06 season. I've talked with them and their parents and it seems that the real issue is one of the other players on the team, whom they don't really like. Not many boys on the team like him either, unfortunately he's the QB. He's a real hard worker, over achiever type, but also very arrogant, and "in your face" to other boys. He can also be unreliable to do what he's coached to do, ie. run plays that are sent in or fulfill defensive responsibility. When confronted about his actions there's always an excuse. On top of all that his leadership style is yelling at the others when they don't block well, or don't catch passes. The rest of the team get real fed up with his antics. I'm concerned that he has the potential to turn players away who are the fence. These others still questioning about next season are quite fed up with him. I'm not sure what the sacrifice is or should be. Do I put the QB in another position ie tailback, and out of such a key role, and possibly secure these others? Or do I keep him at QB and turn the 3 (and possibly others) away? HELP. I'm not sleeping real well. as my friend the cancer doctor says, scme times the best treatment is to go right in and cut the cancer out.
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Post by racky on May 1, 2006 20:03:48 GMT -6
Coach before you go, just my 2 cents.
Get the Four player together and tell them what's what. That the three of them are acting like little kids "Taking my ball and going home, because Johnny isn't playing nice." AND "Little Johnny isn't leading he is being a dictator."
Tell QB to start acting like a QB and leading the team (Then you have to take him under your wing and get him to be a leader instead of just a jerk who yells.) Tell him he has three strikes and he is out. Get them to understand that as a team they can win but as a GROUP the will loose.
Sit down with the QB and let him know what you except from him and that yelling at people doesn't always work, sometimes yes, mostly No.
I could always tell the new Petty Officers in the Navy because they were always yelling at their men/women to do something, instead of leading by example, keeping the mouth shut and doing the job. Then and only then can a leader start yelling to make them understand that something is different with this situation. Those Petty Officer's needed someone to teach them how to lead, there are very few natural leader.
One of the coaches here mentioned the QB creed as it was taught to me. When a coach asks "Who" the answer is always me coach I'm the QB. Translation "I'm in charge, so of coarse it's my fault." In this kids place even let him run the laps for the guard screwing up. He has to earn their respect that he has lost by running his mouth. It could take a while but if he wants to become a leader then he could turn them around.
M2c
Racky
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Post by runtheball86 on May 1, 2006 20:10:36 GMT -6
I agree with MOST of what has been said BUT what about this .... aren't the other three players holding the team and the coach "hostage" too? What will their next demand be in order to convince them to remain on the team? The problem seems much larger than this one kid at QB ...
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Post by airman on May 1, 2006 20:52:31 GMT -6
hey if brett favre can do it they say, why can't I.
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Post by bulldogoption on May 1, 2006 21:25:26 GMT -6
hey if brett favre can do it they say, why can't I. [glow=red,2,300]EXACTLY!!!!![/glow]
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Post by texasokie on May 2, 2006 9:40:13 GMT -6
Sounds like you need a good teambuilding trip. Find a ropes course where they have to rely on each other to be successful and accomplish the goals. Maybe a team campout on a player's parents land with plenty of direct supervision. Force them to spend time together and bond. If they truly love the game, then they will not let one person keep them from playing. You need to teach your quarterback how to lead in a positive way without getting in people's faces. It is time for him to become a man and do what is right. An apology to those guys and an explanation for why he acted that way would go along ways towards repairing the unity...if it is not already unfixable.
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Post by tvt50 on May 2, 2006 9:51:22 GMT -6
the dont have to "like" each other, they have to "love" each other
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Post by oachjd51 on May 2, 2006 9:57:17 GMT -6
I guess I have to chime in also. It's not just your quarterback with the poor leadership skills. The "three Mutineers" have qualities that will hurt many a team. Their leadership will hurt the team just a surely as as what your QB is doing.
I would watch these three very closely. They have already shown that they will band together to ostracize a teammate. This could be the beginning.....
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Post by hchscoachtom on May 3, 2006 15:47:16 GMT -6
All good points. Thanks. We are planning on a team building camp in August. We will be heading to a local Army boot camp for 3 nights and 4 days of pure football. Sleeping in one big barrack, eating together each meal, plenty of conditioning and practicing together. they have a confidence course we will be using as well. I'm looking forward to it.
I did meet with the young man and his father. He was receptive and agreed on several points about his behavior. Gave some clear concrete goals to work on as far as leadership skills and personal skills. Next move is meet with the other three and share some concerns I have with them, and to let them know that I'm aware of the situation with the QB and will closely monitor it, train him, guide him.
My thoughts about the others is 1. I think this sets a presedent for the boys futures. "I don't like working with so & so. I quit." There will always be difficult people in lives that we have to deal with. Running away from them doesn't do anybody any good in the long run. 2. It's time to get over it and move on the play football together. They don't have to be best of friends, but they do need to be a team together, and cooperate with each other.
Thanks for letting me ramble.
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