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WVU "O"
Nov 2, 2006 20:00:52 GMT -6
Post by wmcoached on Nov 2, 2006 20:00:52 GMT -6
This is the first chance that I have really gotten to sit and watch WVU's O. What exactly are they running? Does anyone have any of their plays to look at? They look like the best team in college football to me.....Having watched ND, Michigan, Southern Cal and OSU the past few weekends, I think WVU would be too fast for them...
Anyway, if anyone has any information on their plays, I'd love to look over them....Thanks.
Ed
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WVU "O"
Nov 2, 2006 21:47:45 GMT -6
Post by cartwright on Nov 2, 2006 21:47:45 GMT -6
They're running the spread option stuff that Rodriguez pioneered. I've seen a Clemson playbook floating around, which is where he was before he went over to WVU. Most of it is just the Gun Read plays with a bit of R&S passing game.
Does anyone have a playbook from there? I'd love to get a chance to see it.
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WVU "O"
Nov 2, 2006 21:58:01 GMT -6
Post by coachjd on Nov 2, 2006 21:58:01 GMT -6
go to the playbook section of the board or do a search. The WVU playbook is floating around somewhere. I would check one of gator's threads. He has links that go to savefile.com with tons of downloads.
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WVU "O"
Nov 2, 2006 22:21:25 GMT -6
Post by djwesp on Nov 2, 2006 22:21:25 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem that innovative.
It seems like a warmed over version of the Single wing without the spinner.
They ran the "stock" Power off tackle play a good 10 times.
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Post by jmh21 on Nov 3, 2006 2:10:32 GMT -6
"The best team in college football" lost 44-34!
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Post by Coach Geordie on Nov 3, 2006 3:35:40 GMT -6
Is there anything you want to find in a college athlete that Brian Brohm doesn't represent?
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Post by redbudfan on Nov 3, 2006 7:16:51 GMT -6
Is there anything you want to find in a college athlete that Brian Brohm doesn't represent? I agree Geordie I said at the beginning of the season he is the best QB in the nation and should win the heisman. I am not sure if he will this year but if he stays in school he will next for sure he is unbelievable. |
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Post by tog on Nov 3, 2006 7:34:06 GMT -6
Is there anything you want to find in a college athlete that Brian Brohm doesn't represent? Speed. I would rather have Pat White. If WVU doesn't fumble this away they win it. |
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Post by wildcat on Nov 3, 2006 7:42:06 GMT -6
Is there anything you want to find in a college athlete that Brian Brohm doesn't represent? Speed. I would rather have Pat White. If WVU doesn't fumble this away they win it. tog - I'm with you...Pat White is a STUD. Kid can run, no doubt, but he also threw for 200+ last night. That 2nd half was really impressive...I've seen few games when 1 player literally placed his team on his shoulders and tried to carry them to victory. White is one of the most physically and mentally tough kids in college football. Very impressive last night. Brohm is a great QB and I'm sure he will have a fine NFL career, but I would put my money on Pat White. |
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Post by tog on Nov 3, 2006 7:43:25 GMT -6
don't get me wrong, I would take a brohm in a hearbeat, but give me a pick between the two, I will always take the athlete
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 3, 2006 7:50:00 GMT -6
You can win with either of those two. But I would prefer White.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 3, 2006 7:57:34 GMT -6
Tog is right. Speed is the key. A super fast QB and a super fast RB from the spread - wow! There may be a newer version but there is a WVU offensive video from Championship Productions. One for outside run and the other for inside. Pretty good stuff.
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 10:16:11 GMT -6
Post by spreadattack on Nov 3, 2006 10:16:11 GMT -6
I'll take Brohm because of comparative advantage--White runs as well as a runningback and throws as well as a backup quarterback--I feel like I can do more letting Brohm throw like an NFL QB and letting runners as good as White handle the running duties. That said if Brohm had the footwork of even an Alex Smith or someone it'd be incredible. But while you want guys who can do a lot of things well, I personally feel in the end you win more games who are exceptional at what they do do.
That said White is a player, he's only a sophomore, and WVU is going to be tough to beat as long as he is there.
The thing I like also is that both offenses used their players so well. Louisville's offense is so well-crafted and Brohm so well suited to what they do, and WVU is so dangerous with Slaton and White (and the FB!) in the backfield faking and reading.
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 10:40:29 GMT -6
Post by wildcat on Nov 3, 2006 10:40:29 GMT -6
White runs as well as a runningback and throws as well as a backup quarterback Coach - I have to disagree...if anything, White showed that he CAN throw well last night...kid completed 65% of his passes for 200+ yards in an offense that was built to run the ball...you EXPECT Brohm to throw for 300+...that's what they do at L-ville. But White? Sure, you expect the big game running the ball, but I'll bet that NO ONE thought the kid could throw as well as he did last night against one of the best teams in NCAA D-IA. |
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 10:56:20 GMT -6
Post by coachcb on Nov 3, 2006 10:56:20 GMT -6
Bottom line- if you can run the ball the way they do out of the gun- you're gonna put some DCs in a serious bind.
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 11:24:04 GMT -6
Post by spreadattack on Nov 3, 2006 11:24:04 GMT -6
White runs as well as a runningback and throws as well as a backup quarterback Coach - I have to disagree...if anything, White showed that he CAN throw well last night...kid completed 65% of his passes for 200+ yards in an offense that was built to run the ball...you EXPECT Brohm to throw for 300+...that's what they do at L-ville. But White? Sure, you expect the big game running the ball, but I'll bet that NO ONE thought the kid could throw as well as he did last night against one of the best teams in NCAA D-IA. Well, he made a few throws I was impressed with--I think he threw a deep comeback off a sprint out late in the game that was on the money, etc. But the run game was rocking and rolling, so it doesn't totally surprise me. I think you'd agree he clearly is not an NFL caliber passer--at least not now. This is not a knock against him--they are a dominant offense and it exhibits my "balance" principle as I discuss on my site--their run game is so good and their pass game is well designed. But they are only a top team when they are running for around ~300 yards. The fact is they are amazingly able to do this against almost everyone. But let's not confuse that with his raw, in a vacuum, passing ability. I'm just saying that Brohm is so on the far end of good quarterbacks that it instantly and immediately makes your pass game so dangerous that you can use players who can specialize in run plays so well. This is why there are few "hybrids" in the NFL--it is so hard to get to NFL caliber level of quarterbacking, and there just aren't many guys who can throw/read that well and also run. If it happens, they will win a lot of games. WVU's run game and Pat White is so good it's killing people. Make no mistake WVU is running the ball right now like no one has since the Nebraska championship teams. |
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 11:27:44 GMT -6
Post by spreadattack on Nov 3, 2006 11:27:44 GMT -6
I will say that, from an offensive standpoint, the difference offensively between these two teams is and will continue to be the gun spread's biggest deficiency--they simply cannot recreate what great play action teams do. Brohm had 350 yards on 19 completions. Look at Peyton Manning, who essentially runs a "gun offense" in the Pros. Meyer is trying to work in more play action now at Florida, but it simply is not the same. Is this hurting WVU? Not really, but it will always inhibit any true gun-spread team. All offenses are trade-offs but to me, this has always been a tough one.
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 13:10:17 GMT -6
Post by redbudfan on Nov 3, 2006 13:10:17 GMT -6
I will take Pat White in College but Brohm will make more money on Sunday. There is just no place for White in the NFL. But, QB's like Brohm are hard to find he will be a legend one day.
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 13:32:58 GMT -6
Post by wildcat on Nov 3, 2006 13:32:58 GMT -6
redbudfan -
What about a guy like Mike Vick? He's making a ton of money on Sunday and there are probably plenty of NFL teams that would like to make some room for him. Is it a stretch to think that Pat White couldn't be the next Mike Vick? It was only a few weeks ago where the talking heads were saying that Vick was just a running back who happened to play QB. Look what Vick has done the last few weeks. What about a guy like Seneca Wallace? Look at what he has done with the opportunity he has in Seattle...
White is raw, no doubt. The kid is only a sophomore. However, I think that there is PLENTY of room in the NFL for an athletic QB who made some big-time throws and who showed some incredible mental and physical toughness on a big stage last night.
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 14:17:19 GMT -6
Post by redbudfan on Nov 3, 2006 14:17:19 GMT -6
I agree that Vick and Vince Young will make good pros. But, there is no way White is any where close to those guys. Remember that Vick entered the draft after his sophomore year. Is White ready to enter the draft, no way? That is the only reason I am saying this. I just don't see him playing on Sunday's as a qb but maybe something like Randle El maybe.
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 14:29:13 GMT -6
Post by tog on Nov 3, 2006 14:29:13 GMT -6
I don't run a sunday offense. That's why I want the athlete.
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WVU "O"
Nov 3, 2006 22:56:39 GMT -6
Post by redbudfan on Nov 3, 2006 22:56:39 GMT -6
Exactly me too I always want the athlete any day. I was just making the point I don't think he will fit in in the NFL. But I do love the athleticism he is very fun to watch.
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WVU "O"
Nov 5, 2006 20:34:59 GMT -6
Post by oguru on Nov 5, 2006 20:34:59 GMT -6
Brohm will not win the heisman. Troy Smith all but has the Heisman wrapped up my friends
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