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Post by 19delta on Mar 28, 2011 22:47:07 GMT -6
Guys...
I've been thinking about this and would like to get your thoughts.
No one likes to hear excuses. No one wants to hear why you are failing. But, what if you have some real challenges to overcome? What if you are in such a poor situation that you aren't going to see any light at the end of the tunnel for a while?
At what point is it no longer "excuse making" and it is simply the reality of a bad situation?
Or maybe another way to look at it...how do you know the difference between a coach who is making excuses for a lack of success and a coach who is just trying to be honest about the reality of a bad situation?
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Post by dania on Mar 28, 2011 22:59:58 GMT -6
Can I ask how you define real challenge?
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Post by mitch on Mar 28, 2011 23:32:02 GMT -6
I think I know why you've been thinking about this. I am doing that type of reflection on the job I've done.
I am in a no-win situation. I know it's not my fault, that I've done above and beyond to make it happen. I haven't been perfect, I know there are some things I could've done better, but I have struggled with second guessing my entire time here to come up with a solution to why it isn't working. Is it me? Am I just being a cry-baby, excuse maker? Why don't I just put my big boy pants on and suck it up? Am I just gonna sit around and blame everyone else? What will my peers think of me if I 'give up' and move on?
But I've come to the realization that no matter what people say, there are places that can't be helped. They don't want to be successful, and no matter what I do, that's not going to change. It's just not important to the people here. I am absolutely positive that nobody wants success where I am at, so they aren't going to do the things it takes to get there. I am willing, but no one else is. I knew when I took this job that may have been the case, and it is.
I gave it my best shot at a place that I knew coming in might not be able to be saved. I'll move on and be confident in my abilities and continue to coach young men. I hope someone comes in and changes things here, but its not gonna be me.
I don't know if this was the kind of thing you wanted to hear, but you gave me a chance to get that off my chest!!!
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Post by coachcb on Mar 29, 2011 6:10:36 GMT -6
I wouldn't say I am in a no-win situation but most of our issues are completely out of my control so I'm not making excuses either. The reality of the situation is simple; our kids don't value education and many of them are never eligible for sports. They'll stay eligible for one and a half quarters; just long enough to play basketball. But, that can be hit or miss as well; two All-Conference kids from last year didn't finish the basketball season because they flunked their classes.
I have built enthusiasm for football in the school but I don't know if it's enough for them to actually get their sh-t together in the classroom. And, we are honestly hitting a point where it is really up to the kids to get their sh-t together if they want a football program at the school. I recruit the halls all day long, send out letters and other things but it falls on the players to decide how much football means to them. And, I'm not talking Ws and Ls here; we're looking at the end of football.
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 29, 2011 12:07:44 GMT -6
IMO..Many times its up to the person that you are speaking to whether it is an excuse or a fact..something that is hard for you to control...I usually get mad..simmer down..and as an old football coach told me (Larry Ciotti for those of you in CT) FIDO...F##CK it DRIVE ON...that has helped soooo much
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Post by coachcb on Mar 29, 2011 12:19:04 GMT -6
I made a lot of excuses in my first years of coaching. It generally revolved around how "terrible our scheme was" or how "we didn't have any athletes". It took a butt-chewing by a veteran to make me realize that I was wrong.
But, sometimes I think we all jump to the conclusion that a certain program will never be successful. I'm not in the best of situations right now but I think that it's manageable; if the kids are eligible and out for football, we should have a successful season next year. If not, we'll deal with the same issues we had last year, fight through, win 1-2 games, and then get back to work (assuming we have a program).
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Post by runtoball on Mar 29, 2011 12:39:29 GMT -6
I have also been wondering this. I took over a program that in the past would have 5-10 kids lifting in the off season. We have that number consistently up to 30 over all of last summer and this winter/spring. This is good right? The problem is they're all young kids, and some of our better players will not show up. On top of that, the top 2-4 athletes in the school keep telling people they're not going to play b/c they don't want to put in the work. I'm not going to beg them to play, it's just frustrating. I want to say piss on them, but at some point you need some athletic ability. It's a battle with myself of sticking to my guns, and having enough kids to do team stuff in practice.
I keep trying to be positive and "keep swinging the hammer", but the doubt creeps into my mind constantly that we will never get over the hump. I know what you mean though, it's hard not to think of yourself as a whiner when that doubt creeps in. Wish I could offer better advice, but I guess I'll just offer support instead
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Post by olcoach53 on Mar 29, 2011 13:04:15 GMT -6
Win with the players who WANT to be there. Those players who dont want to work will eventually come around when they are riding pine. If they dont want to play then why pull out your hair over them. After its all said and done you will be happier and your team will be more of a family without them.
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Post by drewdawg265 on Mar 29, 2011 14:23:40 GMT -6
Great point by olcoach53. As a hc my staff and I have taken over 2 struggling programs where the culture was in bad shape. We focused our energy on the players that were willing to rise to our expetations. The others either eventually stepped up or decided not to be apart of it. For the first two years our numbers were low but at both spots we happened to win big during year two. The third year was even better at both schools. Build around your highest character kids. Teach them to lead and you will have no regrets, excuses or reasons. The school and community will be proud of your program even if you don't win the title or league. At the end of the day you will find much more enjoyment in your situation. I believe in these situations you will also make a bigger impact on your troubled kids. Some will leave but those that stay will grow because of the leadership of their peers.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 29, 2011 14:44:10 GMT -6
I've been recruiting the halls hard and I am kind of on the fence with it. I have some kids that are showing genuine interest but I have others that are kind of hit or miss.
I don't know if I want those kids that are going to hem and haw about playing football. I know I need to build enthusiasm but I want to do it with kids that love football and want to be there. Not the kids that need to be consistently sold on the game.
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Post by fantom on Mar 29, 2011 15:51:16 GMT -6
A while back our staff attended a clinic at a private high school. Their coach gave us a tour of their brand new field house. Beautiful facility. $16 million. Their coach, however, was bemoaning the fact that paying all that money for the building meant that they had no money left for scholarships so that they could get players for their $13,000 a year school.
Everybody has problems.
I've long believed that most schools are in similar situations as their competitors within their league. Sure there are situations that are a lot worse than others (CBs is one. It's a tough spot) but I believe that those are rare. Every program has problems. They hired the HC to solve, or surmount, those problems.
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Post by mitch on Mar 29, 2011 16:25:19 GMT -6
Fellas, a career is short. Too short to languish in a place that you have little confidence will get better no matter what you do.
Of course everywhere has obstacles. Some places obstacles are beyond your control.
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Post by blb on Mar 29, 2011 16:32:34 GMT -6
Every program has problems.
The successful programs are just different than the struggling ones.
City schools are different than suburban and rural.
Etc. etc. etc.
When you are the head coach - you are the problem solver.
There are no "Golden Situations", if there ever has been.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 29, 2011 19:45:36 GMT -6
It really is up to the kids in my case. I have always accepted the hand I am dealt in terms of athletes and I do my best to coach them up and focus on what is in my control. I feel like I can do a lot if we have reasonable numbers but it is up to the kids to get their ducks in a row academically.
I am optimistic, in some ways. My reputation as an adequate coach and a good and fair person has proceeded me and we have more throwers out for track this year than the program has had in awhile. I think the latter is more important; the kids know I will treat them well and coach them to the best of my ability.
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Post by bighit65 on Apr 4, 2011 18:48:25 GMT -6
Here is the difference between an excuse and a reason. An excuse is when you fail due to a factor created by you. A reason is when you fail due to a factor out of your control.
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Post by dubber on Apr 4, 2011 20:29:28 GMT -6
Pragmatically, there exists real reasons why you can't succeed...
Idealistically (is that a word?), as a coach, you can never buy into it.
As an aside:
Hell yeah we all want to win, but what is real success at the high school level?
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Post by scottc on Apr 5, 2011 9:08:38 GMT -6
This is a great and comforting thread for me...
I have worked my way up in my 18 years now. For 6 years I was at a great program with great kids who worked hard and would show up at 2 am if you asked them to. We won a state title in my first year as oc and in year 5 the program was slipping we moved up class to be the smallest school in our classification. The HC retired and I took over a tough situation with unrealistic expectations but with tough kids. We went 4-6 with 4 losses of 6 points or less. We made progress from the previous year. Well we went through a great offseason, great spring, moved back down classification, dominated our spring game, then the principal and myself find out the next day at noon that the board fired me that morning at 7 am without consulting the principal/AD. There was no doubt we were a state contender after spring. Why? The board member did not like the fact I did not graduate from the school I was HC at. Kids protested but it didnt matter.
I then got a job at a school as an assistant that does not take football seriously like they do at the previous school I was at. The HC left the week before practice started and I got the job by default. We made the best of a bad situation won 2 games and lost 4 others by one TD or less and are now focused on a new definition of success. Our goal is to try to be the best we can be in everything we can do. Whether on the field, in the weight room, or in the classroom. I think in any situation that is all you can do.
The football power I worked at was great but it had a lot of negatives. The place Im at now I am making headway and we are improving. We will probably never contend for a state championship here. But the kids I feel appreciate the job we are trying to do with them. I think as a coach all we can do at the end of the day is to look in the mirror and be able to lay our head down at night knowing we are doing all we can for the kids we have.
If you are doing that then there are no excuses it is just facts. If you arent doing all you can do then you need to reevaluate yourself..The rest doesnt really matter.
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Post by tothehouse on Apr 5, 2011 12:21:33 GMT -6
I have coached football for 20 years. I have decided to not coach this year (and maybe never again). There are many factors. Including this FACT. Our HC asked me to put down my hours for a typically week DURING THE SEASON. He is looking into getting more $$$ for coaching stipends through our union. I had told him I wasn't coaching back in January. I probably should have done the HC's request back then.
I factored in everything I do for the football program over a weeks time during the season. I came up with the number 49. 49 hours of football a week. This does NOT include my teaching load and commitments to my family. I have done that schedule for 12 seasons straight. The FACT is...that is too much time for me. That is not an excuse to get out. I know we're talking about struggling programs vs. strong ones. FACT in my 12 years here we hold a 102-32-1 record. FACT I'm toast. Almost 100 hours a week with school and football.
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Post by fantom on Apr 5, 2011 18:26:10 GMT -6
First, everyone has problems. Even the great programs. I want to say "well you better take what you've got and make what you need or you've got to change what you do to take advantage of what you've got." But...IMO, I think too many guys force the issue, I don't blame them, they are trying, they were willing to go in roll up Theor sleeves and go at it. But personally I think every program can be successful but I also believe it takes the right guy in the program at the right time. That's just my opinion but I know a few guys who were successful, left for a "better" job but failed completely to turn their new program, returned to where they left and went right back to their winning ways while a different coach came in and won. I just think it's a "right" fit at the right time deal. Getting the right fit is the most important thing. Like you, I've seen it both ways. We had a guy come in from a rural background to take over the most downtown school in the league. It didn't work, of course, but when he went back to his element he had playoff teams. The AA state champion in VA was a local team. For years they were horrible. They brought in guys-good coaches, some were- but oh-fers and 1-9 was the norm. They finally hired a hometown guy and have been good since. Coaches would be well-served to remember that when pursuing HC jobs. Not every job is a good fit for everybody.
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Post by CoachFetty on Apr 6, 2011 6:59:44 GMT -6
We have a huge sibn in our coaches room and locker room
"NO EXCUSES"
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