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Post by maloneqb15 on Oct 31, 2006 22:36:09 GMT -6
I am a college quarterback going into the coaching world next season, working with the spread, and multiple pro I offense. Lately I have been curious about the run and shoot I had a room mate in college whose high school ran it and I am curious to know what makes a run and shoot offense and what is the difference between the run and shoot other offenses, and namely the wing t? Thanks I appreciate it.
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Post by airman on Oct 31, 2006 22:43:28 GMT -6
the run and shoot is a a half role by the qb as opposed to straight dropback in the spread or multiple.
the run and shoot is a series of packages ie choice package(choice, choice special, choice switch, choice drag, choice balanced).
they are set up in a balanced 2x2 set or a trips 3x1 set.
balanced being switch, smash , choice balanced , vertical
trips being choice, go, slide, hook.
there is a tape coming out in whcih mouse davis is doing for championship sport books and videos.
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Post by gunslinger on Nov 1, 2006 8:41:33 GMT -6
Good description by airman.
Also, the original R & S had five series that included a base run, a counter or compliment run, a play action, and a throwback.
It was actually "run" and shoot. Most of the run went away for a while when the R & S was big in the NFL and on the college level and teams relied on the passing packages that airman described.
Another thing to consider is the fact that all R & S packages are designed to attack a variety of coverages. Therefore, you don't need very many plays.
You just learn to execute your packages against the various coverages.
I cut my teeth on the R & S as a young coach. It's hard to stop and a lot of fun for the players and the coaches.
The cons:
You really need to be able to protect the passer. Spend as much time studying pass protection as you do route concepts.
People will tell you that you can't score in the red zone (which I found to be false).
Others will say that it makes your team soft because your offensive line practice pass blocking and your defense works against the passing game.
Opponents of the R & S will tell you that it puts your defense on the field too much (incomplete passes stop the clock; if you don't execute well on O, you could have a lot of three and outs, etc.).
People usually either love or hate the R & S.
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 1, 2006 9:24:24 GMT -6
My two cents: At bare, the shoot relies on a few principles:
(1) a moving quarterback (or rolling) can be more effective than a stationary one;
(2) formations should be simple, not give away what play is to come, balanced, and when they are not balanced motion should be used to expose the defense's weaknesses, and
(3) receivers should be given flexibility to adjust their routes based on coverages--the packages are just an attempt to systematize and make sure that all 4 receivers not only find their best individual route, but each adjust to make the best pass play against the defense.
The modern pro-spread or college style-gun-spread or the Airraid offenses, to me, are really more of "make it what you want" offenses, with no true underlying principles like the shoot. There is nothing wrong with this, as most offenses fall into this category and their advantage is they can adopt and integrate new ideas quickly on the fly. Airman's description is accurate--I'd say from a passing standpoint most spread teams would rather have the QB check at the line or let a single receiver (option routes) adjust on the field, and you'll often see a big difference between good and bad spread teams is in the skill of the playcaller. In the R&S, if its working great, it can make an average playcaller look like a genius (which is not taking away a coach's skill, but is really is just emphasizing the other half of coaching--the weekly prep.).
Versus the wing-t? I'd say they are similar in that both the R&S and the wing-t look to have a cohesive package with some underlying philosophies--the wing-t's being more about an attack centered on faking and misdirection or surprising the defense with overwhelming numbers at the point of attack, or some combination. The wing-t becomes a bit more of a coordinated dance with precise steps, whereas the R&S is fluid and reactionary.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 2, 2006 1:20:36 GMT -6
I am a college quarterback going into the coaching world next season, working with the spread, and multiple pro I offense. Lately I have been curious about the run and shoot I had a room mate in college whose high school ran it and I am curious to know what makes a run and shoot offense and what is the difference between the run and shoot other offenses, and namely the wing t? Thanks I appreciate it. wing t tends to be run oriented offense based on belly, buck, power and jet series. lots of misdirection and use of angles and trap blocking up front. i do belive that a good wing t coach can make use of run and shoot ideas in his offense.
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Post by blb on Nov 2, 2006 6:29:53 GMT -6
Tiger Ellison's running game WAS Wing-T plays (trap, buck sweep, belly, power sweep) with a little option sprinkled in for good measure.
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