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Post by coachplaa on Mar 9, 2011 20:35:55 GMT -6
Coaches-
We were going to start a "combine" type of event in the spirit of the NFL combine. We were just going to do our school, keep it small, and give our kids an option instead of commercial combines which seem to be more about profit than promotion.
The idea has taken fire at our school with the kids and the coaches, and now we are thinking about doing it for our whole league (which are all within 20 minutes of our campus).
We are thinking of charging just $5 a kid, and measuring their Ht, Wt, 40, Shuttle, Bench Reps 185/135 (lower levels), Vertical, and Standing Broad Jump.
We're also kicking around the idea of charging parents $5 to enter and watch. Coaches would be free.
We'll give them an official "combine card" when they pay their money, and they'll take that card to whichever station they want, warm up, and get one attempt at each event.
There will be a coach "in charge" of each station, and that coach will be in charge of recording the score on the card and signing off on it.
At the end of the day, athletes will turn their card in to a coach with a laptop; and the data will be quickly typed into a "public" google doc spreadsheet that the kids and their coaches can view.
Ideas? Feedback? Pitfalls?
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Post by highball007 on Mar 9, 2011 21:04:58 GMT -6
I like the idea, I have actually wanted to do something similar around my area. I think it is naturally in all of us to compete, so I think it brings the best out in the athletes. I preach compete to my kids and they love to match themselves up to others in the area.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 9, 2011 22:05:43 GMT -6
Film it...but get the players to sign a release form.
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Post by Coach.A on Mar 9, 2011 22:09:35 GMT -6
Great work Coach! My only recommendation would be to give them 2 attempts per station instead of one.
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 9, 2011 22:10:08 GMT -6
I was thinking of filming it and putting it on Hudl, at least the 40 & shuttle; and then sending that to their coaches.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 9, 2011 22:25:23 GMT -6
Film it...but get the players to sign a release form. get their parents to sign the release form as well, or it means nothing
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 9, 2011 23:53:17 GMT -6
We might be talking about 300 kids, so having them go twice on some of these events could get crazy. Why would I need a release form? What would it need to cover? Thanks for the help!
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 10, 2011 0:08:13 GMT -6
We might be talking about 300 kids, so having them go twice on some of these events could get crazy. Why would I need a release form? What would it need to cover? Thanks for the help! you would need a release form if you were planning to film the kids. Probably a good idea to get liability release forms from all participants to help yourself should anyone get hurt or any accident occur. Be sure you get athlete signature and parent signature, it amazes me how many times I see coaches not have parents sign as well... if you are under 18, your signature means nothing, which means for 95% of our athletes you need parental consent for everything , their signature is not legally binding. I have run combines in the past, my suggestion to you is Break everyone up into groups, 1 group per each station. So if you have 10 different events you are testing, then you have 10 groups, or whatever your number of tests are. They always stay together, they bring their "score cards" with them from station to station. Every group is rotated simultaneously by you and only you ( assuming you are the boss) Have enough volunteer coaches so that each testing station has plenty of help for timers/measurers, people to explain the drill etc. Each kid gets 2 reps, thats the only way I have ever seen a combine done, you can get away with 1 rep to each side on the 20yd shuttle (5-10-5) because one is right , 1 is left, you record their best time for their official best time Force your volunteer coaches to work the kids fast, give them some sort of time limit they need to shoot for to get all their kids done, think of a realistic number, then tell them a few minutes less than that, so they and the kids reall go fast. Make sure as soon as one kid goes and his score is recorded the next athlete is ready to go. The last one I did we had 2 sets of each event going at once, athletes always stayed in their group like I said above, but there would be 2 - 40 yd dash lines to get through the group faster, 2 benches, 2 shuttle areas coned off, 2 vert, 2 broad jump mats. So you can get each group through each assigned testing station as fast as possible. Once each group is done with a station, you signal them to rotate, every group rotates clockwise (or whatever formation you choose) and brings their scorecard with them to the next event Your volunteer coaches/recorders never move, so they only have to learn how to do one thing I am certain you can get it done efficiently this way, Last one i did we did at least 300 kids this way, and we had to do indivudal drills with them after and evaluate them by position , so since you are just testing it should be fairly smooth. I recommend getting ht and wt done and recorded on their score cards when they check in, gets it out of the way and only takes a minute. they can do this while their parents are paying or filling out waiver form.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 10, 2011 0:48:01 GMT -6
A couple reasons for having a release form for filming...
The rights to use these items for unlimited distribution, advertising, promotion, exhibition and exploitation of the picture by any method or device now known or hereafter devised in which the same may be used, incorporated, exhibited or exploited.
Here is an example that has happened to me. Kid's dad is a CSI. A real CSI for murder cases. Doesn't want juniors picture out there because of his particular job. He deals with shady situations and even crazier people. You film his kid WITHOUT PERMISSION and it shows up on some website??? Could be a major problem.
Here is an example -
In consideration of the sum of One Dollar, ($1.00), receipt for which is hereby acknowledged, and for the opportunity to participate in the above-identified video program produced by [YOUR COMPANY NAME], I agree that the program(s) may be broadcast and distributed without limitation through any means and I shall not receive any compensation for my participation. I confirm that any and all material furnished by me for this program is either my own or otherwise authorized for such use without obligation to me or any third party. I also agree to the use of my name, likeness, portrait or pictures, voice and biographical material about me for educational, program or series publicity and organizational promotional purposes. I further agree that my participation in the program confers upon me no rights to use, ownership or copyright. I release [YOUR COMPANY NAME], its employees, agents, and assigns from all liability which may arise from any and/or all claims by me or any third party in connection with my participation in the program(s). It is understood that [YOUR COMPANY NAME] is under no obligation to broadcast the above-identified program(s) or series.
Agreed to and signed this day of , 2000 by:
Participant’s Signature Street Address City, State, Zip
I, am the parent or legal guardian of the above-named minor and I endorse the above statement in his/her behalf on this day of , 2000.
/ / Parent or Guardian Street Address City, State, Zip
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Post by superpower on Mar 10, 2011 5:58:52 GMT -6
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Post by CoachFetty on Mar 10, 2011 7:30:50 GMT -6
We do one for our team..it is a good idea. It gives the kids a look at their progress int he weightroom and in our speed program.
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 10, 2011 7:39:23 GMT -6
Great stuff. Thank you!
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Post by z on Mar 11, 2011 3:20:12 GMT -6
Great idea! Have wanted to do this. First heard of this type of thing from a college coach who said that they do this in Alabama. What he said was that they also ask the kids to bring highlight tapes (that is a decision that you will have to make), and ask their HS coaches to bring unofficial transcripts . They did it and invited college coaches to come (during spring visitations). You would have to check on the validity of that. In your waiver form that athletes and their parents must sign, include that you, your school district, etc. are not responsible for injuries incurred during the combine (CYA)! People tend to get "amnesia" if something goes wrong.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 11, 2011 12:29:40 GMT -6
I like the idea because it'll take business away from the a--holes running those expensive "recruiting" combines. And, it's a great way to promote weight training.
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Post by tentboy on Mar 15, 2011 19:43:42 GMT -6
Are college coaches allowed to come and watch this combine as it happens?
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 16, 2011 6:27:05 GMT -6
I'm not going to keep them away, but in the area that we are in, I doubt that any will show. At least the first couple of times we do it.
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