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Post by kidkash65 on Mar 2, 2011 17:58:36 GMT -6
Hey guy have any of you ever been in a situation where the players, parents or fans wanted the offensive and/or defensive systems changed? Like some Old School parents yelling for smash mouth football or maybe a certain player's parents want you to run a system that will highlight his or her son. Also did the players openly criticize your schemes?
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Post by emptybackfield on Mar 2, 2011 18:02:21 GMT -6
I've heard parents b*tching from the stands about certain playcalls, etc but never to a coach's face and never about a wholesale offensive/defensive change. As for the players, there seems to be a lot of 15 year old Lombardis that play JV every year and always have suggestions but I've never heard a player complain openly about a scheme.
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Post by CoachCP on Mar 2, 2011 18:05:21 GMT -6
Yeah, I've heard it. Ignore it, they don't know the situation.
We're a 21 personnel I formation power run team. "Spread em out!" Why? You've seen we don't have 2 receivers to make them honor our passing game, why should be put their backups out there too?
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Post by emptybackfield on Mar 2, 2011 18:44:20 GMT -6
Yeah, I've heard it. Ignore it, they don't know the situation. We're a 21 personnel I formation power run team. "Spread em out!" Why? You've seen we don't have 2 receivers to make them honor our passing game, why should be put their backups out there too? But that's what Johnny does on NCAA Football on X Box and he scores 40 a game ;D |
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 2, 2011 19:23:27 GMT -6
Yeah, my cousin (with zero inclination to sports) knows just enough football words to play Madden and yell at the TV. He knows "blitz" and "Hail Mary." These, in his opinion, are all that is required to win. He seems to represent a fair number of people out there.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 2, 2011 21:32:58 GMT -6
You're always going to get this from fans/parents. We were hanging 30+ points a game on people running SBV, winning games and everyone was still hollering that we needed to be more "innovative".
The only kids that I have every had b-tch about the scheme were those cats that weren't playing. And, they generally want us to throw the ball more because "they're awesome at catching the ball".
It doesn't matter if you're winning or losing; you'll hear it consistently.
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Post by burn on Mar 2, 2011 22:22:13 GMT -6
I hear it all the time and the parents come up to me about opening it up. I have been at this school for four years. We have been in the playoffs 3 of the last four years which had not happened in over 10 years. We have not had a losing season something that had happened the previous 10 years. We had our first home playoff game this last year first in over 20 years and we won our first home playoff game again first in over 20 years. There have been only two teams in the school's history to win a playoff game and this year obviously we were one of them. They still question the offense and what we do. The kids on the other hand never question it so I can live with that. Get used to it if you coach.
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Post by hamerhead on Mar 2, 2011 22:45:49 GMT -6
 I've said it before on this board and I'll keep saying it boys. It works in reverse, too. We've been "spread" since before the spread was cool. At least eleven straight years now, probably more. And all we hear is "God! Why don't you guys ever go under center? The spread doesn't work in the redzone! You guys need to run the ball more!" The most popular scheme will always be whatever one you're not running. Funny thing is, far fewer people seem to complain about defensive scheme (They save that for basketball it seems around here). I always felt like everybody was an armchair quarterback, their are far fewer armchair Mike Linebackers. All we get about the defense is a lot of "C'mon! You've gotta tackle coach!" "Sh$# man, we gotta put that in this week. Coaches, remind me to install tackling on Monday...." |
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Post by mattyg2787 on Mar 3, 2011 1:58:33 GMT -6
I gotta laugh, I do this as a player. Mostly, I just want my coach to run a smaller package with a clear philosophy. Not asking too much am I?
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Post by sneakyben on Mar 3, 2011 3:23:28 GMT -6
I gotta laugh, I do this as a player. Mostly, I just want my coach to run a smaller package with a clear philosophy. Not asking too much am I? In my experience, yes ;D unfortunatly |
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Post by jpdaley25 on Mar 3, 2011 6:05:44 GMT -6
I say, "Be here from 3 to 9 p.m. every week night, be here from 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. on Saturday, and be here from 2 to 9 p.m. on Sunday and then I will listen to what you have to say about what we should be doing."
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Post by wingtol on Mar 3, 2011 8:29:57 GMT -6
That is why we make it very very clear at our mandatory parents mtg. to start the year that it is unacceptable to discuss playing time and what we do on the field scheme wise. We tell the parents we do not come into your house at night and critique what you serve for diner and give you new recipes for your family so do not question us about what we are doing.
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Post by emptybackfield on Mar 3, 2011 8:42:01 GMT -6
Kids and parents aren't beating down the doors of teachers and principals telling them better ways in which to teach reading comprehension strategies or the most effective way to write a research paper, so why do they feel it's okay to do this in regards to football? I guess God just created everyone an expert on football?
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Post by wheels1284 on Mar 3, 2011 9:24:25 GMT -6
Fellow coach of mine was an assistant on a STATE TITLE baseball team a few years ago. On the field after the game as the team was celebrating and taking photos, one of the parents went up to the head coach and told him congrats and then asked why they had to bunt so much.
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Post by spos21ram on Mar 3, 2011 9:29:50 GMT -6
I've never seen fans/parents/players demand a wholesale change of offensive and defensive schemes mainly because they don't know enough about systems. I definitely have heard comments from the stands though about passing more, etc.
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Post by joelee on Mar 3, 2011 9:35:26 GMT -6
My superintendent and principal became fans this year. "I want it all, I want it now, and I don't want to work for it".
I run a 1 back offense, I have run a 1 back offense my whole career before they hired me. I get really just 3 games. After 3 games I am told the super wants me to run the flexbone like he did when he was coaching. I told them I don't know the flexbone and I am not changing in the middle of the year.
I was fired after the season and 8 months on the job.
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Post by emptybackfield on Mar 3, 2011 9:45:27 GMT -6
My superintendent and principal became fans this year. "I want it all, I want it now, and I don't want to work for it". I run a 1 back offense, I have run a 1 back offense my whole career before they hired me. I get really just 3 games. After 3 games I am told the super wants me to run the flexbone like he did when he was coaching. I told them I don't know the flexbone and I am not changing in the middle of the year. I was fired after the season and 8 months on the job. Without question the most ridiculous story relating to this topic I've ever heard. |
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Post by silkyice on Mar 3, 2011 10:18:07 GMT -6
My superintendent and principal became fans this year. "I want it all, I want it now, and I don't want to work for it". I run a 1 back offense, I have run a 1 back offense my whole career before they hired me. I get really just 3 games. After 3 games I am told the super wants me to run the flexbone like he did when he was coaching. I told them I don't know the flexbone and I am not changing in the middle of the year. I was fired after the season and 8 months on the job. WOW!!!! That is unbelievable. |
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Post by dania on Mar 3, 2011 11:21:31 GMT -6
if you are in this buisness, i trust you know what your doing, and you are in some shape or form,an expert. Most people have no expertise in any field. Its why they work 9-5 jobs. Ignore it, but dont be afraid to call them out and expose them.
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Post by emptybackfield on Mar 3, 2011 11:33:36 GMT -6
you are in a small fraternity called coaching. and their is a smaller fraternity from with in the coaching fraternity that cares enough to know what they are doing. that makes you the exception not the rule.  |
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Post by coachknight on Mar 3, 2011 11:36:23 GMT -6
Hey guy have any of you ever been in a situation where the players, parents or fans wanted the offensive and/or defensive systems changed? Like some Old School parents yelling for smash mouth football or maybe a certain player's parents want you to run a system that will highlight his or her son. Also did the players openly criticize your schemes? Our QB's dad would send our HC almost weekly emails detailing what we should do and who we should play. Sometimes he would want the scheme to change mid-year. The kid was a pretty good passer, and we structured the offense around an increased passing game (had been wing-t). Through the next three years, dad wanted us to run option, pro I, and various other things. We didn't change, but dad was very vocal and let people know how stupid we were. |
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Post by ajreaper on Mar 3, 2011 12:42:12 GMT -6
I say, "Be here from 3 to 9 p.m. every week night, be here from 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. on Saturday, and be here from 2 to 9 p.m. on Sunday and then I will listen to what you have to say about what we should be doing." Exactly but I'd also add being in the weightroom and at off season workouts- know which kids are lazy or quit at the drop of a hat despite looking good in a uniform. |
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Post by moball on Mar 3, 2011 13:28:48 GMT -6
I know a head coach that benched a senior wide receiver for a half because his mother was yelling from the stands that they needed to pass more. He almost lost his job over it, but the mother didn't complain loud enough for anyone to hear it after that.
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Post by airman on Mar 3, 2011 13:57:59 GMT -6
I do not know how you guys do it who also have to teach. I am blessed to be in a financial place where i just can coach football so I do not have to deal with the b.s. I just can leave if I do not like the situation and I am free to speak my mind more openly because what some principal who makes a tenth of what I do a year is going to boss me around. not going to happen.
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Post by mattyg2787 on Mar 3, 2011 13:58:53 GMT -6
Fellow coach of mine was an assistant on a STATE TITLE baseball team a few years ago. On the field after the game as the team was celebrating and taking photos, one of the parents went up to the head coach and told him congrats and then asked why they had to bunt so much. Assuming it was a genuine question, I'd have no problem with this. If we were running most the game and won and a parent asked (not have a go at me buy actually asked) "why didn't you pas more?" I'd happily take the time to explain ball control, the risks of passing etc. Parents wanting to learn why their son is doing on the field is never a bad thing as long as they are willing to accept answers. |
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Post by lochness on Mar 3, 2011 14:17:02 GMT -6
The most popular scheme will always be whatever one you're not running.  Never had a kid complain about our schemes though, not even once. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Mar 3, 2011 14:17:54 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300][/glow] I do not know how you guys do it who also have to teach. I am blessed to be in a financial place where i just can coach football so I do not have to deal with the b.s. I just can leave if I do not like the situation and I am free to speak my mind more openly because what some principal who makes a tenth of what I do a year is going to boss me around. not going to happen. Where in God's name are you coaching where you make 10 times what a principal does? Need any assistants? |
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Post by dania on Mar 3, 2011 14:21:35 GMT -6
private sector. there is a reason colleges cant match nfl offers. and Hs cant match college offers.
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Post by lochness on Mar 3, 2011 14:23:10 GMT -6
The fundamental problem is this:
It's "manly" and "smart" to know something about football, for some strange reason. So, everyone wants to seem like they KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT FOOTBALL. So, it is extremely popular, when parents are having a "weenie-size contest" to want to show how much THEY know about football by regurgitating random crap that they think they know.
So, it's not really about you or your scheme. It's really about their insecurity. Because, for God's sake, it can't be possible that someone knows more about football than DADDY!!!! Afterall, all you need to do is spread them out more and throw the ball and blitz to win. If you'd just do that, you'd be state champs and you'd have 15 potential D1 kids on your team every year.
THROW THA BAAAAAALLLLLLL!
GUTTA GIT MORE PRESHAAA!!!!!!
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Post by spos21ram on Mar 3, 2011 20:43:06 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300][/glow] I do not know how you guys do it who also have to teach. I am blessed to be in a financial place where i just can coach football so I do not have to deal with the b.s. I just can leave if I do not like the situation and I am free to speak my mind more openly because what some principal who makes a tenth of what I do a year is going to boss me around. not going to happen. Where in God's name are you coaching where you make 10 times what a principal does? Need any assistants? I think his career ("job") is not in education or coaching...i think that's what he means. He is able to coach and not teach. He doesn't coach for the money. |
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