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Post by jlenwood on Feb 19, 2011 8:18:14 GMT -6
I know this has been touched on in the "best practice thread", but I didn't want to hijack it. To those who have curtailed their stretching and warm up period, what about running and conditioning pre practice? What have you used as the "science/research" to make the decision to forgo the warm up period?
We are trying to find ways to maximize efficiency at or practices, and this time would be better suited to indy time I think. We have an almost full participation off season program, so I don't think conditioning is that big of a deal for us. The problem is that it is hard to break old routines without proving to our HC that the newer way is a better way, if it in fact is.
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 19, 2011 9:54:07 GMT -6
Teams that have eliminated traditional warm ups & stretching don't just go into practice full boar...most do football specific drills at 1/2 speed, and progress to 3/4 speed.
The low speed football specific drills provide an opportunity to increase your core temperature and lubricate joints while being productive and working football specific techniques.
I know a lot of teams use this strategy, but you might want to look into "air raid" practice structures as almost all air raid teams start practice with the same set of drills done at lower speeds.
I don't have any scientific data for you, but we have not experienced any change in the amount of injuries since we abandoned the traditional warm up & stretch.
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Post by airraider on Feb 19, 2011 10:31:04 GMT -6
I think the key is eliminating things that are done without a skill building/improving emphasis. ie.. sprints and agilities...
We use our pat and go drills to get our receivers a good 10-20 sprints in, but they are catching and tucking a ball on each... our QB's are throwing all of them..
We score every pass on routes on air.. that is more running..
our linemen do 1 on 1 drills which go towards conditioning as well as skill building.
Really the only people who should do some extra running is our QB's.
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Post by husky44 on Feb 19, 2011 10:43:41 GMT -6
I have been wanting to look at this idea more. Each position group focusing on a position specific warm-up that is football specific warm-up that is not a generic dynamic warm-up and/or stretch. Are there any DVD resources devoted to this concept? Has anyone put together a specific plan for each position group that they would be willing to share or trade? I am always looking for ways to improve our practice efficiency and would love to see ideas from others that are specific within each group.
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Post by td4tc on Feb 19, 2011 11:16:15 GMT -6
husky,
i'm also starting to think the generic "whole team" warm up wastes time..must admit i used this time to talk to the coaches about team issues...or last night's NFL /NBA scores.not sure if anybody has studied it or how you measure it, BUT i doubt the teams that i have been associated with that do "long sophisticated warmups" have any less injuries than those who haven't over the years.
But, if we did "warm up" in personnel groups as you've suggested, it could also be a time for multitasking... like talking to your group about things to correct from film study or upcoming opponent strategies/game planning....while they are warming up
in our area, more of the university teams are going to high intensity/high rep practices like ND and then "coaching on film"..this doesn't leave a lot of time for "on field" instruction which could be mixed into this warm up time and seems to be more NB for HS kids.
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 19, 2011 11:29:06 GMT -6
I have been wanting to look at this idea more. Each position group focusing on a position specific warm-up that is football specific warm-up that is not a generic dynamic warm-up and/or stretch. Are there any DVD resources devoted to this concept? Has anyone put together a specific plan for each position group that they would be willing to share or trade? I am always looking for ways to improve our practice efficiency and would love to see ideas from others that are specific within each group. Husky 44, I'm also very interested in hearing what others do with the various positions for their "productive warmup". You might get better responses if you start a new thread...I would start a new thread on this but I don't want to steal your thunder. Anyway, here is some of the stuff we do: QBs/Rec/RB - air raid drills (settle & noose, pat & go) *Ofen we'll take 1 QB and RBs and work our handoffs and option reads OL - Hip mobility circuit or pass pro punch drills, or zone steps over the boards, or kick-out pulls and square pulls at reduced speed. DL - Hip mobility circuit, 6 point punch, get offs from fit position done at reduced speed, stimulus response at reduced speed LB - pass drops at reduced speed, OL reads and run fits DB - various backpedal drills and pass drops at reduced speed *always try to finish with a break on the ball. We try to have most of our position to do 2 different drills each day (e.g. Monday O-line is doing hip mobility and pass pro punch drills, Tuesday O-Line is doing zone steps over the boards and pulls at half speed, etc.)\ Husky44 I think this topic would make for a great thread...if you don't start a new thread, I hope you don't mind if I do. Thanks! |
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Post by husky44 on Feb 19, 2011 13:43:34 GMT -6
Go ahead and start a new thread, you have a base plan idea, lets hope others contribute!
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