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Post by 7384729737 on Nov 24, 2006 15:45:50 GMT -6
Just wondering what you guys think about what offenses are good for getting your talented players noticed and to college.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 24, 2006 15:52:39 GMT -6
doesnt matter. the things that will get them noticed
speed
talent
size
strength
character
test scores
grades
coaches that work hard to get them noticed
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Post by airitout616 on Nov 24, 2006 16:14:20 GMT -6
I feel either a spread attack or a balanced pro style and/or a combination of the both. I think teams that run the wing-t, double wing or a simular offense have trouble getting there skilled guys recruted by bigger schools. I feel a team that can spread the field out and throw the ball and then line up in the I and run the football 30 times a game is the best. I might be wroung though i just rembered that Noel Devin is in a wing t offense so who knows.
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Post by brophy on Nov 24, 2006 16:14:21 GMT -6
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 24, 2006 16:22:55 GMT -6
I feel either a spread attack or a balanced pro style and/or a combination of the both. I think teams that run the wing-t, double wing or a simular offense have trouble getting there skilled guys recruted by bigger schools. I feel a team that can spread the field out and throw the ball and then line up in the I and run the football 30 times a game is the best. I might be wroung though i just rembered that Noel Devin is in a wing t offense so who knows. so what if the kids a GREAT RUN BLOCKER and is playing for a spread chuck it around team? Or what if the kids the next all pro tightend ...but hes not on the field because of the spread?...just curious, i know alot of spread guys like to argue that they are preparing the kids for the next level...great fbs, tes and the like must really get ticked off playing in those systems that reduce their roles so much. I honestly think that college guys ignore the systems for the most part and recruit and test kids based on alot of other things. Its not like every kid that plays in a wing-t or single wing or dw cant play at the next level. Barry Sanders...didnt he play in the single wing in high school? Bush played in wing-t for sure...anyhow, I know that some folks like to THINK that if they run a "tv" offense that they will have more looks from colleges...eh, enough schools around us that throw the rock and spread it out and cant seem to get anyone into college. Meanwhile we have these tiny little wing-t schools that are producing division I and NFL players too. |
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Post by brophy on Nov 24, 2006 16:39:34 GMT -6
what DEFENSE gets your kids recruited?
Speed
Size
SAT/ACT/GPA
the only three things that matter....
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Post by saintrad on Nov 24, 2006 17:16:27 GMT -6
it really doesnt matter what the offense is but the fact of the matter is that colleges recruit places where they have some sort of contacts from (grew up there, wife's family is from there, the coached near there, etc) or know reliable coaches from those areas. Having a more "college style" offense does help, but if memory serves me right Rich Gannon came from a HS wing-t to a college wing-t system to be all-pro in the NFL. So yes, some systems are misleading and arent "college style" but who cares. If the coach can get his first kid into a college program they are more likely to come back and look at others.
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Post by dacoachmo on Nov 24, 2006 20:49:51 GMT -6
ONE that works! (PRODUCTIVE)
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 24, 2006 23:07:58 GMT -6
The system doesn't matter. If the kid can play, it will show up in the video. Colleges recruit players - can he run (very important!), hit, tackle, catch...
If they don't have "plays" that the recruiting coach can watch, then it's going to be a tough sell.
Now, if they are a player - that's when GPA, SAT, and the other factors come in to play.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 24, 2006 23:12:42 GMT -6
first thing any recruiter asks is "how is the kids grades and how is he in school?" they can see the talent on tape, they cant see his character
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 25, 2006 0:07:21 GMT -6
It' a moot point. I don't show them the tape if the kid is a character or academic question. Since I don't get that many D-I kids coming through my doors (2 in 25 years of coaching) their grades are very important. We've got 2 kids playing at a D-III school right now who are getting over $25,000 each just on their GPA and SAT scores. But they're also both pretty good players as well, so their total packages are just about equal to a full ride. Again, if they couldn't "play" the academic money wouldn't be there - the college would have spent it on someone else who had good grades and could play. They've got to be able to play at the next level.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 25, 2006 8:00:56 GMT -6
I don't know about you guys, but, typically, when D-III coaches recruit our kids, they often don't even care what position they play. Usual questions (in this order) are:
1. What kind of grades does the kid have and what is his ACT score?
2. Does the kid work hard?
3. What kind of athlete is he?
More times than not, it has been my experience that D-III coaches just want as many athletes as they can get and then they will find a position for that kid.
The ONE exception I think exists is at the QB position. We have had three kids play QB at the college position (one kid at D-IAA, another kid a D-III all-American, and another kid a 4-year starter). In the case of those kids, playing in a spread offense helped them big-time because the colleges they went to ran the same kind of offense that we did. With that being said, those three kids were studs and had they not of played QB in college, they would have played some other position.
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Post by chiefscoach on Nov 25, 2006 11:10:19 GMT -6
I honestly would say the I Formation. Although I tend to agree that if the kid is really a D1 kid he will be found, I think that the I formation allows every position type to be recruited. QB, TB, FB, TE, WR, and OL.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 25, 2006 16:04:32 GMT -6
I was reading a book by the Jenks Olka coach. In the book he makes a comment about his tightend who was 6 foot 2 and 225....said he was too short for te, too small for fullback. Couldnt seem to get the kid in anywhere despite their offense and his productivity...finally he got an offer from Tulsa i think. led the nation in td catches.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 25, 2006 17:16:40 GMT -6
Carnegie Melon (D-III in Pennsylvania - in the playoffs this year) is a very successful Wing T program. They were recruiting our QB 2 years ago - classic pocket passer, NOT a run threat - and they finally came out and said they wanted him as TE project (6'4 & 210 lbs). He also had a perfect score on his Math SAT!
The reason they were recruiting him is the fact that when I sent in their little recruiting card during his junior year, they read that he was 6'4" and had good grades. Remember, this is just a high school coach referral card at this point! Of course they asked for video tape - and after seeing him on tape... seeing that HE COULD PLAY - now they asked for transcripts and character info.
If the tape showing that he could play had not arrived for them to look at, he never would have been recruited. If they can't play, their grades, their character, and the I formation won't help.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 26, 2006 7:09:35 GMT -6
Parcells puts it best about getting players "we want guys who are self starters and hard workers"...I would think thats true of any college coach as well. I doubt if a college guy says "we need to get some wide outs that played in the spread"...I would think hed be more likely to say "find us some quality kids, good test scores and good height and speed"...then again, i could be wrong.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 26, 2006 7:49:23 GMT -6
Parcells puts it best about getting players "we want guys who are self starters and hard workers"...I would think thats true of any college coach as well. I doubt if a college guy says "we need to get some wide outs that played in the spread"...I would think hed be more likely to say "find us some quality kids, good test scores and good height and speed"...then again, i could be wrong. I don't think you are...The one caveat to the WR thing would be that I doubt many scholarship WRs come out of Wing-T or smashmouth offenses. I think the BIGGER question is, should a coach run an offense based on whether or not it will get a kid a football scholarship? Personally, I don't think so. |
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 26, 2006 8:06:16 GMT -6
College coaches are smart enough or atleast I hope so to understand what offense a high school is running and where the best athletes are placed in that offense. The position they play in high school doesn't necassarily mean that is the position they will play in college. Seen to many QB's become wide receivers, great high school running backs become corner backs, etc. The offense doesn't sell the player to a college coach the player sells himself to the college coach.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 26, 2006 8:37:00 GMT -6
Parcells puts it best about getting players "we want guys who are self starters and hard workers"...I would think thats true of any college coach as well. I doubt if a college guy says "we need to get some wide outs that played in the spread"...I would think hed be more likely to say "find us some quality kids, good test scores and good height and speed"...then again, i could be wrong. I don't think you are...The one caveat to the WR thing would be that I doubt many scholarship WRs come out of Wing-T or smashmouth offenses. I think the BIGGER question is, should a coach run an offense based on whether or not it will get a kid a football scholarship? Personally, I don't think so. well I dunno, the kid who graduated as our county's all time leading rusher is now playing a slot position in college. he leads the team in rec as a frosh I believe. Its not like you dont practice passing just because you dont do it much in games. I would say that its not the offense that hinders the scholarships ...id say instead that there just arent that many kids that are big time wrs playing on smashmouth dw and single wing type teams...a reason that the coach runs that system in teh first place I think. I do think that Knighter recently sent a wing back to college as a rec and dback though...check with him. not too long ago i recall watching a guy waste what i thought was a division I type fb...he had him running pass routes all night. had him at hback and te...i thought "shoot, hed carry the ball 34 or 40 times a game for me"...instead, he caught 2-3 passes a game. btw, he went to college as a lber I think. they might have moved him to fb this past year. |
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