wlfootball
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Post by wlfootball on Jan 11, 2008 10:41:55 GMT -6
I am looking for anyone who can help a staff that has been raised on smash-mouth, wing-t, pro-I, power-I, dbl wing (get my point) football and teach them the details of implementing/running a spread system.
If you can make any suggestion on who to visit with (college or high school) and who would be helpful, I would greatly appreciate it. Now we are limited on travel time and distance... so anyone within the Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin and Missouri regions that has a suggestion, let's have it!
Thanks in advance!
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Post by dubber on Jan 11, 2008 11:40:09 GMT -6
Do you know why you want to implement the spread?
What system of spread are you looking for?
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Post by coachnichols on Jan 11, 2008 11:55:26 GMT -6
Do you know why you want to implement the spread? What system of spread are you looking for? That's what I was thinking too. What are you wanting to do out of the "spread"? Staying in your area, I would make a trip to Missouri and study what they do. They might throw more than you want, but they would be a good place to start.
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 11, 2008 12:09:10 GMT -6
Best advice would be to implement what you know best, which is smashmouth football and incorporate it with spread formations. But it all depends on what type of spread offense you're looking at.
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wlfootball
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Post by wlfootball on Jan 11, 2008 12:47:41 GMT -6
OK, I'll apologize for not being specific.
I'm looking at keeping the option aspect of our running game triple/midline and installing the "zone-read" as well. In regards to the pass, mostly conventional, short (high %) stuff. I do like some the stuff that is on the "Mesh" threads and the "spreadattack" and Chris Hatcher schemes.
The reason we are looking to the spread, we have multiple skill players, but few that can take a handoff and make things happen. We have several skill kids who have soft hands and are good in space. Quarterback(s) with strong arms and very intelligent. And in the best case scenario we have a handful of linemen but none of them could be a decent TE (especially in pass situations). I am also trying to "recruit" (convince) some "pumpkin-pushers" who haven't played in the past to be a part of our (struggling) program.
I thank you again for your assistance...
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Post by gacoach on Jan 11, 2008 13:25:55 GMT -6
I'd call Illinois. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to sit down with you. The Illini run the option, zone read and their passing game is more of the west coast type.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 11, 2008 13:40:55 GMT -6
I agree about visiting Missouri. They do plenty of good stuff from the gun run game (grab that bowl tape!) and they focus on the quick passing game. The first thing you need to do is understanding why you are spreading. This is not just the idea of "speed in space," but that is part of it. Most of the best gun-run teams (Northwestern under Randy Walker, Urban Meyer, etc) have a lot of traditional run game and I concepts in there. To me, the best way to think about the spread is that you are either (a) taking the fullback out and making him another receiver, or (b) splitting the tight end out to loosen the defense and define the reads. Then when you add the shotgun it can transform your QB into another runningback, or at least a running threat. The first thing you can do is just think about your running game (a) from 3-wide I form, and (b) from 3-wide 1-back gun. From the first think about your base midline schemes and etc and how it should define the reads for your QB - you can run the reads to either side and if they need loosening you can throw quicks to those guys. From the 3-wide 1-back gun try to think about your traditional runs (apart from say midline) where your QB becomes the second runner. I.e. the zone read, counters, etc. That's all you're really doing. It's nothing magical. But it can be effective. If you want to learn about the quick passing game read this book: www.amazon.com/Footballs-Quick-Passing-Game-Vol/dp/1585181935
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 11, 2008 13:46:41 GMT -6
I am looking for anyone who can help a staff that has been raised on smash-mouth, wing-t, pro-I, power-I, dbl wing (get my point) football and teach them the details of implementing/running a spread system. If you can make any suggestion on who to visit with (college or high school) and who would be helpful, I would greatly appreciate it. Now we are limited on travel time and distance... so anyone within the Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin and Missouri regions that has a suggestion, let's have it! Thanks in advance! have you tried Dr Phil?
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Post by rbsuknow on Jan 11, 2008 21:36:53 GMT -6
I am looking for anyone who can help a staff that has been raised on smash-mouth, wing-t, pro-I, power-I, dbl wing (get my point) football and teach them the details of implementing/running a spread system. If you can make any suggestion on who to visit with (college or high school) and who would be helpful, I would greatly appreciate it. Now we are limited on travel time and distance... so anyone within the Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin and Missouri regions that has a suggestion, let's have it! Thanks in advance! No offense to the spread community, but i wouldn't change a thing you are doing. Don't do it b/c it's the new fad. now don't get me wrong i like the spread but at the small school i am at it's not for us. I looked at your record on ihsa.org and you play a very very tough schedule. you had 4 games that you lost by 1 score or less. make your offense just 1 more score better and now you are in the playoffs. plus you are at a small school. are you just going to the spread now b/c you have skilled players that work well in space? what happens in 3 years when they are gone? do you change back to smashmouth if that is what type of players you have? if i were you i would try to implement some of it into you current offense. this may add that little extra your team might need.
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Post by jhanawa on Jan 11, 2008 21:44:56 GMT -6
Well....I'll tell you how we got into it. We gradually became a spread gun team from an under center option/one back zone team. We kept the same terminology and blocking schemes and adapted it to the gun. You'll suprise yourself with how easy the transition can be, I'd say the most important thing is to keep the smashmouth mentality as you implement it. Spreading people out and pounding them when they empty the box is very effective, the numbers game that the spread provides is why so many no name colleges are competative now adays running a "fad" offense. As far as resources, there are lots of guys on here who are very good sources of various varieties of spread offenses, do a few thread searches on various plays, etc. and you'll find a ton of information.
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Post by coachweav88 on Jan 12, 2008 11:55:12 GMT -6
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Post by coachweav88 on Jan 12, 2008 11:57:49 GMT -6
as far as passing game goes,
start with your quick passing game, screens, and a couple of PA passes (option pass, also something like waggle).
click on the address in Mav's signature lots of free material on there about that
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Post by dacoachmo on Jan 12, 2008 12:10:15 GMT -6
go to the STATE clinic
1) U of I is running spread 2) there were some great speakers
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