FB4life
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Post by FB4life on Nov 30, 2006 21:08:14 GMT -6
Coaches
I was wondering when you are a die hard: Wing t, Pro style, Power, Option, Whatever type guy. Is it hard to make the transition to a new system cause you're no longer confident in the old system?
The reason I ask is cause I'm a Pro Style, multiple formation, mostly 'I' type of guy (It's what I know), and I have been drawn to the Flexbone Spread (resulting in a lot of research, and by the way this board has been a blessing!) . I 'm in the process of waiting to hear; if I been hired as the new HFC at a local High school. Just had a sit down with the principal. If hired for the position, I would love to run the Flexbone!!
I guess my question should be, how much research do you need to do before you drop "WHAT YOU KNOW" and go with a new system? hope this makes sense...
Thanks again for the help!!
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 30, 2006 21:19:47 GMT -6
How much research...? You make the switch because you KNOW this is what is best for the team. That includes the players (their skill set) and you and your coaches. Don't decide to run something just because it seems attractive or interesting. Run it because it's the best thing to do.
I was strictly a pass first guy because that's what I learned as a run and shoot WR in college. Had pretty good success as a HC and got hired as the OC at an NAIA school to help improve their passing game. They were already blessed with a great pair of RB's and ran the option so meshing the pass with the run was the best thing for that program. Became a big option fan and kept at it after returning to the HS level.
Starting up a new program, after looking at our kids we determined that the option game was probably going to struggle but quicly figured out we had a lot of sweeper candidates and went with a spread Fly that we've kept using for several years...
I know this was a long answer, but don't change just for the sake of change. Make sure its the right system for you an the team.
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Post by brophy on Nov 30, 2006 21:23:24 GMT -6
I don't think so..
I think like with anything you learn ...you build off the foundations of what whatever it is you're learning then build off that.
"Hey, I'm a wing-t guy,....I wanna be a ZONE guy over night....or I wanna be a gun veer team over night."
You learn the series or basis of the package WITH THE RATIONALE behind it......then build off it.
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FB4life
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Post by FB4life on Nov 30, 2006 21:28:26 GMT -6
fbdoc definitely food for thought...thanks... Books, Cut ups, taking with local coaches outside our league... |
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Post by coachjd on Nov 30, 2006 22:01:51 GMT -6
tog would be a great guy to pm and talk to. He has been a zone, counter GT guy for years and went flexbone veer this year. He researched his rear off and made the switch.
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Post by tog on Dec 1, 2006 0:08:14 GMT -6
you're no longer confident in the old system? first of all thanks jd now, i have never lost confidence in the old systems that i have run they are all time tested and sound my doubts come in when we started looing at our personnell versus the teams we played not gonna work not much of anything would have as we were completely undertalented due to many various reasons however i started researching things like jd said, and started looking at our kids and what we had we always had had a philosopy on offense of being multiple enough to get our athletes onto the field, and get them the ball,, no matter how that was |
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 1, 2006 6:56:17 GMT -6
I think it will take you three years of running it to really know it well...you can get ahead with alot of film study, clinics and working closely with a mentor.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 1, 2006 9:06:10 GMT -6
I think you need to coach what your know and are comfrotable with till you feel confidant to amke a complete overhaul in your system. I would work it in a little at a time before making a whole sale switch to a new system. You would need lots of time to get everyone on the same page. Going from coaching I to Wing-T was a change for me the last 2 years but we still do alot of the same stuff up front so it wasn't a huge change for me.
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Post by fbdoc on Dec 1, 2006 9:33:03 GMT -6
Here's how it worked for us. This past year we took a hard look at our defense. We had been a 5-2 "Ambush" for a long time. That's what we knew, it was our identity. We also were coming off a year where it wasn't getting the job done! We looked at our kids and what we knew we were going to have to stop from our opponents and decided the 3-3 stack was going to be a better fit.
We made the decision to go with it in December and proceeded to do the research - video, clinics, notes, coaches, etc. We first introduced it to the kids during Spring Ball and continued to tweek it over the Summer during 7 on 7. By the time the first game rolled around we (kids and coaches) felt pretty good about it. We definitely played better this year and we're looking forward to an even better season in 2007. Don't know if that helps but thats the process we went through.
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Post by tribepride on Dec 1, 2006 9:54:18 GMT -6
We switched from a double dive belly offense and a 5-2 monster defense to the flexbone and 3-3 stack. We realized that the "horses" that the school had during the glory days had all went out to pasture. It was a big change but the kids bought into the ideas of the new systems and it has worked well for us. The other bonus is learning about new systems and becoming knowledgable in another area of football. This was also a great learning experience for us coaches. Its a lot of work but it is fun to see it pay off on friday nights.
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Post by spreadattack on Dec 1, 2006 10:06:08 GMT -6
I think visiting a school/college/staff of some kind that runs what you want to run and watching practice is the best thing you can do, along with everything else mentioned. The question of "why switch" is a broad one...
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Post by brophy on Dec 1, 2006 10:10:04 GMT -6
break this up....
How long does it take / approach for the COACHES to get comfortable enough to install and run a new system.
How long does it take / approach for the PLAYERS to orient themselves with a new system.
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Post by coachjimd on Dec 1, 2006 16:34:51 GMT -6
tog....i am thinking about switching to the flexbone....what resources did you find most helpful
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Post by enzpville on Dec 1, 2006 19:20:03 GMT -6
I would say much like brophy that it comes down to what do you believe??? Don't do something you don't believe in and just as much as that make sure the first time it doesn't go right you don't say "let's go back to what I know" this can spell disaster.
If you really think about it you can get to a set/style/philosophy out of most anything. I don't mean to say that you do everything but that you can be more option or fly or pass so on and so forth with your set.
I am a firm believer in option but your strength may not be the QB the next year and you then can create some advantages for your strengths. This is just as true on defense.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 2, 2006 9:04:07 GMT -6
One thing to remember- you can tie other concepts into your current package. For example, instead of scrapping your Pro formations and plays, just add in flexbone concepts such as the jet/fly series, midline, and ISV. You can run all of these series from virtually any formatio as long as you've always got FB in at 4 yards deep. I have never scrapped an offense, I just keep adding and replacing new stuff that I like. I have a master playbook that has everything from flexbone/wishbone stuff to 5 wide concepts, all using my terminology.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 2, 2006 9:09:29 GMT -6
Any of you guys watch Star Trek? I'm like the Borg, when I come across concepts, I assimilate them into my my collective/master playbook.
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Post by kcbazooka on Dec 2, 2006 9:22:42 GMT -6
interesting thread -- I have had to change my offensive thinking this past year- we were a young team who had a very undersized line - we simply couldn't run the running game we had in the past - likewise we didn't have a QB that we wanted to run the option with. Forced to change our emphasis to the shotgun spread which I had never run. (i'd give my self a C for the year)
Somebody asked whether it took the coaches or players longer to buy into a new system - I would say definately the coaches. I've been run first coach all my life and this year was forced to pass to set up the run. A real mind switch.
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Post by enzpville on Dec 3, 2006 9:42:17 GMT -6
Coach kcbazooka - Why do you give yourself a C? Was it a lack of knowledge with what you were putting in, selling it to the kids or something else. I just ask in case I deal with the same thing.
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