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Post by coachgeiser on Apr 18, 2007 19:03:51 GMT -6
We have never participated in 7 on 7's and I would like some help. I was thinking that I would play a cover 2 man under defense, but I am asking for any input from coaches who have experience in 7 on 7's.
On offense do you send your backs out on all plays? I would assume during the regular season you would keep 1 or 2 backs in to help pass protect. Obvioulsy you don't need to do this during 7 on 7's. How many looks or formations do you use on offense and defense?
As you see I have a lot of questions. Any information would be helpful.
Coach Geiser
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2007 19:09:24 GMT -6
I believe the goal of 7 on 7 is to prepare for the season or if done in-season is to work on your routes, schemes, etc. Therefore I don't see any reason to do anything that you wouldn't do in the season. . .
With one exception--I think you have to do a few different things to win these competitions. So we'll play a little man under 2 for effect, long yardage, etc. I figure that we play enough man that our under guys can use the work and we play enough cover 2 that the safeties get something from it.
But we play teams in 7 on 7 that are double wing teams and they'll run all their P.A. stuff in those competitions because they dont' want to spend as much time on it in the season.
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Post by mikewdw on Apr 18, 2007 19:14:12 GMT -6
we played a few teams who sent everyone out and it worked our def some but cant see how it helped them prepare for season. played one team who sent fb down middle of field every play. whatever!
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Post by dacoachmo on Apr 18, 2007 19:19:59 GMT -6
7 on 7 is great time to test things out...try more then one coverage!
We worked 3-4 coverage last year and about 6-7 concepts on O.
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Post by airraider on Apr 18, 2007 19:40:54 GMT -6
We were joking as a staff today about all the people who play 2 man at 7 on 7 games. Our HC calls it the 7 on 7 defense. We actually played a team this year that decided to play us that way and it was 42-0 at the half.
Here is our thought on 7 on 7. Do what you do. If you are a cover 3 team, play cover 3. If you are a Pro I team, run the Pro I.
We see so many teams doing things you would never see them do in a real game.
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Post by lionhart on Apr 18, 2007 19:55:47 GMT -6
airraider, had similar experience last year. we played a 7 on 7 against a duble wing team who uses their qb sweep as the primary run play. in the 7 on 7 they went empty gun every play. what i find is the worst is those teams who will tailor their defense to stop your pass plays.... making your qb's reads virtually impossible. one team played a 3-4 cov 3 in a 7 on 7 and they were lining up their olb's on the HASHES. sure, i could have altered our routes a little and told our qb where to throw, but that defeats the purpose in my opinion of a 7 on 7. instead i just told our qb to try his best to id coverage and make his reads. but im telling him to read the first defender inside the corner on a slant/flare combo..... and the first defender inside the corner is standing RIGHT NEXT to the corner! how this helped the other team's defense, i couldnt tell you.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 18, 2007 20:29:00 GMT -6
If you want to win football in the fall...my best advice on the subject of 7 on 7 compeitions is NOT TO DO THEM.
Find a few teams, and invite them for PASS SKELL practice. Set it up with the coach that way...don't move the ball (other than to different hashes). You could even organize it by scenarios. Run situation passes (1st and 10, 2nd/3rd and medium to short) and Pass situation passes---so that you can work on things that you will see. For example, you could be in quarters coverage vs a pro I, play action set, and then maybe cover 2 vs a spread set.
Script it all out, and have a good practice session
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 18, 2007 20:46:35 GMT -6
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Post by touchdowng on Apr 18, 2007 20:46:47 GMT -6
Most of the 7on7s we go to, you can tell who is there to WIN and who is there to get their team prepared for the season.
The teams that are there to only WIN will play a very aggressive 2man but you will rarely see them play this during the season.
We run lots of rubs against these teams because that's what we would do in real games.
Stay within YOUR scheme. Throw in a fun wrinkle for the kids once in a while. But have the overall objective to run your stuff.j
Nobody remembers who wins passing tournaments and in the words of Mark Speckman, team that win 7on7s have to cheat. There is a lot of truth to this.
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Post by brophy on Apr 18, 2007 20:47:36 GMT -6
If you want to win football in the fall...my best advice on the subject of 7 on 7 compeitions is NOT TO DO THEM. Find a few teams, and invite them for PASS SKELL practice. Set it up with the coach that way...don't move the ball (other than to different hashes). You could even organize it by scenarios. Run situation passes (1st and 10, 2nd/3rd and medium to short) and Pass situation passes---so that you can work on things that you will see. For example, you could be in quarters coverage vs a pro I, play action set, and then maybe cover 2 vs a spread set. Script it all out, and have a good practice session good god, that was beautiful.......perfect! |
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Post by wingman on Apr 18, 2007 20:56:44 GMT -6
It depends on what you want. If you want to be the 'summer allstars' then run 4 wideouts every play and swing your back out too every play or better yet empty and take 5 seconds to throw the ball. Also play 5 under man bump and run. You can be a great summer team and it won't be worth a crap when the real season starts and no one remembers ho wanybody did in the summer. Unless that really is your offense, you're working on stuff you don't do during the season on offense and playing ard and 20 defense every down. We are an optiuon team so the offensive side is already about half a waste and we're a blitzing team on defense. I have to give our def. coordinator credit. he'll run the man coverage we really run without the blitzing and we'll get toasted but they get better and IT IS WHAT WE REALLY DO. We used to go to summer tournaments and I've seen teams win 20 team tournament and go 2-8 or beat us in teh summer and lose to us 45-0 in season. Bottom line is do what you do during the season.
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Post by wingman on Apr 18, 2007 21:20:04 GMT -6
I forgot. Last summer we played one team that as usual had their lbers at 6 yards dropping on the snap. That's pretty standard. But on the snap these lbers turned their back to the qb and sprinted at the wrs ending up about 30 yards wide and 15 yards deep. I started to laugh out loud and had to walk away because their coach was about 10 feet away. Dropping 8 is another popular scheme. The old 5 under man 3 deep. We have 3 teams come over once a week and have 3 games each but we don't move the ball or keep score. If somebody wants to see something again, we run it again.
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Post by briangilbert on Apr 18, 2007 22:29:13 GMT -6
From what I have seen in Ohio teams just run their normal stuff, I think it helps the defense out more then the offense as a result, only because many teams that participate run the ball like 80/20 in season and don't need to throw to win.
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Post by coachgeiser on Apr 19, 2007 5:13:21 GMT -6
Thanks for all of your input. This is my 4t year as Head coach, our previous head coach did not believe in 7 on 7's for a lot of the same reasons.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 19, 2007 5:58:55 GMT -6
coachgeiser--just remember that there are multiple ways to skin a cat. I am sure there are MANY coaches in the area who don't like 7-on-7 competitions because of all the obvious reasons...but they either can't think, (or don't want to be bothered by organizing) a different way. You can be that beacon of light in this dark time of 7 on 7 football.
Heck I know some coaches here in Lousiana actually are pushing for 7 on 7 to be a sanctioned sport. greaaat
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Post by realdawg on Apr 19, 2007 6:11:07 GMT -6
My experience with 7 on 7 is this. Dont play 7 on 7 ball. You can do things that will make you win the 7 on 7 contest, but you really would never do most of those things in a game. Use the contest to work on things that you are actually going to do during the season.
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Post by PSS on Apr 19, 2007 10:04:21 GMT -6
My experience with 7 on 7 is this. Dont play 7 on 7 ball. You can do things that will make you win the 7 on 7 contest, but you really would never do most of those things in a game. Use the contest to work on things that you are actually going to do during the season. I like 7 on 7 for several reasons, even if it's not specific to what you are doing offensively. 1. The athletes are competing at football with their team-mates 2. You are able to work on fundamentals and stress those fundamentals. 3. Players have an opportunity to improve. |
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Post by touchdowng on Apr 19, 2007 10:25:57 GMT -6
We run 7 on 7s at our school throughout the summer. We invite 3 other teams (some are in our league, some are not) to show up and keep things low key. Nobody is going for a trophy. We keep a score but it doesn't lead to anything.
Our goal is to let kids have some fun competition, work on our stuff, and we will stop the action to let coaches talk to their kids and work on their combos or coverage schemes.
We don't charge and only ask that players are respectful and play within the context of clean competition.
It's working well because we do see these sessions transfering over to the REAL field of play.
We had one team show up that was all reved up wanting to WIN. They even sent out 6 on a route until somebody caught them doing it. We just don't invite them anymore.
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Post by CVBears on Apr 19, 2007 10:41:10 GMT -6
For those that play in tournaments and keep score, move the ball, etc. during 7 on 7, do you honestly care if you get blown out or blow out someone else? To me, these are opportunities to work on timing, route running, fundamentals and teamwork. I don't care if I get blown out while I'm teaching in the summer/spring. I care if I'm getting blown out when it counts: in the fall. I'm going to get on a WR's butt if he didn't come back to the QB on a hitch route regardless of the fact he took it to the house after the catch. The same time I am going to get on the linebackers for immediately dropping back in coverage rather than taking their read steps forward (btw, I once saw a coach on defense stand behind the QB giving pass and run keys and the LB's would have to rally to the ball on the coach's run key. he said he did this to keep his defense on their toes). For me, it's making sure my coaches and myself are keeping in mind what the 7 on 7 is for; developing your talent, concepts and teamwork.
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 19, 2007 11:44:33 GMT -6
I think you can get a lot out of 7 on 7, even if your a run team. The most important thing is to run your offense and defense, no sense in a Power I team going 5 wide just for 7 on 7, same as for the junk defenses. I think the defensive side of the ball is where you see the most "unsound" things occur, LB's bailing to 20yds isn't realistic. However, even with its downsides... 7 on 7 is important to what we do, since we are one of those teams that are 4 wideouts and swing the back out  ...LOL What I like to add to it in our little 4 team sessions is that perimeter run, reverse, and draw (draw is the only between the tackles run allowed) are allowed and encouraged. This keeps the defense honest and makes Play Action possible, but mostly I like it just to get some option reps and go over option responsibilities. During the regular season, in our team practices we will go full go 7 on 7 on a 40yd field with full contact tackling and pursuit until the ball carrier is down, we will use perimeter run and passing. This is a great drill for open field running and tackling and is great for pursuit angles to the football. As a rule, all defenders must get to the ball carrier and breakdown after the tackle. Its competative and up tempo, we do a lot of it no huddle also, so its great for conditioning also. |
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...LOL What I like to add to it in our little 4 team sessions is that perimeter run, reverse, and draw (draw is the only between the tackles run allowed) are allowed and encouraged. This keeps the defense honest and makes Play Action possible, but mostly I like it just to get some option reps and go over option responsibilities.