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Post by dazzleox on Feb 7, 2011 12:23:41 GMT -6
NFL is basically becoming a passing simulation more than anything like the rest of football. It can be fun to watch for some, but I don't think we should draw many conclusions about football generally because of the NFL system.
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Post by superpower on Feb 7, 2011 13:08:54 GMT -6
The key to the game was the turnovers. You cannot turn the ball over at any level and expect to win, especially the Super Bowl against an excellent opponent. The Packers had a good game plan and were able to execute it. The Steelers had some success but shot themselves in the foot with the turnovers. Congratulations to the Packers! They deserved to win the game. More games are lost than won, and turnovers and penalties are high on the list of causes for losing. The Steelers had plenty of both. The unsportsmanlike penalty on their last kick return really put them in a hole. Not smart at all. Overall, I would say that while the SB was a close game, it was not a good game. Neither team was all that sharp. I thought it was a rather sloppy performance. Maybe the players were influenced by the musical performances before the game and at halftime.
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Post by brophy on Feb 7, 2011 13:21:53 GMT -6
I got a question (and blast me if you like).... Charles Woodson.
The only reason I bring this up (not that his injury wasn't legitimate or that he isn't a helluva player - and clearly Green Bay moved on without him in the lineup) , but being that this is / was this guy's last super bowl appearance, would a collar bone injury (likely a carotid process ligament tear) kept him out of the biggest game of his career?
I'm not questioning his toughness, and it was clear (with inside leverage at the snap) on his last snap that he couldn't press with the inside arm, but would this have prevented a player from really sitting out (not to be nostalgic but would this player have sat out 20-30 years ago in the super bowl)? Didn't Terrell Owens play a super bowl years ago with a broken leg?
He wouldn't be able to blitz or become force, but he would be able to leverage receivers downfield I would think.....
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Post by John Knight on Feb 7, 2011 13:46:59 GMT -6
He appeared to be in a lot of pain brophy. He couldn't even cheer without pain. I guess he could have been filled with enough lytocaine or whatever to not feel it but todays trainers and doctors will not put someone back out there knowing there could be permanant damage.
Also for the Cal fans. There was a trivia question going around before Super Bowl XLV: Which college has produced the most Super Bowl starting quarterbacks? The answer was Cal, though it was kind of dubious: While Craig Morton (Cowboys, Super Bowl V; Broncos, Super Bowl XII) and Joe Kapp (Vikings, Super Bowl IV) were legitimate Golden Bear standouts, as was Rodgers, Vince Ferragamo (Rams, Super Bowl XIV) struggled during his two seasons in Berkeley before transferring to Nebraska and growing into a big-time pro prospect. Still, we proud alums will take it – and we’re especially gratified that Rodgers became the first former Cal quarterback to start and win a Super Bowl (and remember, another former Bears quarterback, Gale Gilbert, lost five consecutive Super Bowls as a backup for the Bills and Chargers in the ’90s). Given that Bishop, Rodgers’ teammate and fellow alum, also had a great Super Sunday, and another ex-Golden Bears great, the late Les Richter, was one of seven players voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame Saturday, it was a momentous weekend for those of us who bleed blue and gold. Now if we can just get that first Rose Bowl berth since 1959 taken care of, a whole lot of us can die happy.
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Post by alen1 on Feb 7, 2011 13:53:54 GMT -6
I got a question (and blast me if you like).... Charles Woodson. The only reason I bring this up (not that his injury wasn't legitimate or that he isn't a helluva player - and clearly Green Bay moved on without him in the lineup) , but being that this is / was this guy's last super bowl appearance, would a collar bone injury (likely a carotid process ligament tear) kept him out of the biggest game of his career? I'm not questioning his toughness, and it was clear (with inside leverage at the snap) on his last snap that he couldn't press with the inside arm, but would this have prevented a player from really sitting out (not to be nostalgic but would this player have sat out 20-30 years ago in the super bowl)? Didn't Terrell Owens play a super bowl years ago with a broken leg? He wouldn't be able to blitz or become force, but he would be able to leverage receivers downfield I would think..... I don't know but here's what Peter King wrote: "The memory of being at a locker with Woodson, who cherished his first championship of a 13-year career, will be with me for a long time. For two reasons: Because he was in such obvious pain, and because he didn't care about the pain. When Woodson came out of the shower, the last Packer to do so, his body was severely tilted to the left as he walked very slowly from the large communal bathroom at Cowboys Stadium to his locker. He began dressing, and you felt sorry for him. Because tasks that normally took 20 seconds took five times that. He moved at the pace of an 86-year-old. I timed him putting on his black dress shirt: 97 seconds. "I'm a champion,'' he said while dressing. "It's all I ever wanted. We're going to go see President Obama. I hope he's got good doctors, in case I want to get a second opinion.'' ...... A couple of equipment men helped him pack up, and slowly, Woodson was out the door. As he left, he yelled a joke to the one of the Packers' team medics. "Hey doc!'' he said. "If we had a game next week, would you shoot me up?''" Read more: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/02/07/super/index.html#ixzz1DIwtdSaP
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Post by brophy on Feb 7, 2011 14:10:53 GMT -6
Well Peter King ( I'll take PeeWee Herman seriously before i give any credence to that self-serving hack Peter King) and "pain" notwithstanding.....given the temporary discomfort, is that something a player of that caliber work through (Ronnie Lott) for a once and a lifetime opportunity for 30 more snaps? Not suggesting a COACH tell him to get in the game, but that is something a player forces himself back in the game. No right or wrong.... and the swelling associated with that injury would no doubt be difficult (i've had it) just thinking aloud * unrelated but did anyone else catch the pre-game inside the locker room footage on FOX showing an equipment manager applying eye-black to a Steeler player? Seriously, you need help with that? * also unrelated (and unimportant), was the apparent use of PR/symbolism to open the ceremonies. I hate to be the cynic, but I can't help but think the wrapping the game in the flag and attempting to combine the 4th of July, Thanksgiving, and Veterans Day into one event with as/the Super Bowl is a smart (albeit obnoxious one) move by Goodell [especially heading into the threat of a labor stoppage to further villianize the player's union]. It has me quite confused though - I didn't really get the over-politicizing of the event (interview the prez / theatrical recitation of the DOI / unending scenes of patriotism) though.....its a freaking football game. Yes, it may as well be a holiday - but the images were a little much (IMO)
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Post by coachcb on Feb 7, 2011 14:47:54 GMT -6
Personally, I don't think it had anything to do with his pain tolerance. I imagine he sat back and had to weight two options: a) go back out there, play at 50% and putting the team at risk OR b)bow out, plug his back-up in and put his team at risk. I think he went with the first option because he was trying to be selfless and do what was best for the team. And I've been rooting for the Steelers since Bubby Brister was their QB; I struggled to type this out. I would much rather be spitting at the screen and pouting.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 7, 2011 14:54:10 GMT -6
( I'll take PeeWee Herman seriously before i give any credence to that self-serving hack Peter King) Sometimes I feel like Brophy is my Tyler Durden. I was amazed at how far Rodgers has come. He's truly an ELITE quarterback, he showed some INCREDIBLE throws, poise and ability. Reminded me of when he completed 26 straight vs USC his senior year. When he's truly on, he's scary, and recently and for the next few years, I'll wager he's on far more than he's off. Happy time to be a cheesehead.
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Post by John Knight on Feb 7, 2011 15:27:08 GMT -6
and put that ability with a true WC offense mind like McCarthy and you got a possible franchise as long as the defense is as good as this year.
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Post by sehested on Feb 7, 2011 16:11:04 GMT -6
I must say that I've been very impressed by Mike McCarthy in the second half of the season. People always talk about what a good playcaller he is, but following the Packers it looks like he has found a way lately to motivate and develop confidence in his players, develop leaders and incorporate the players in some of the decision making. The Packers have been a good young team the last couple of years but have lost so many close games. Those close games they are now winning and are always in a game to the end, and they can win in number of ways. Very impressive.
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Post by John Knight on Feb 7, 2011 16:41:01 GMT -6
He has come a long way from our days in college!
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Post by phantom on Feb 7, 2011 17:18:22 GMT -6
I got a question (and blast me if you like).... Charles Woodson. The only reason I bring this up (not that his injury wasn't legitimate or that he isn't a helluva player - and clearly Green Bay moved on without him in the lineup) , but being that this is / was this guy's last super bowl appearance, would a collar bone injury (likely a carotid process ligament tear) kept him out of the biggest game of his career? I'm not questioning his toughness, and it was clear (with inside leverage at the snap) on his last snap that he couldn't press with the inside arm, but would this have prevented a player from really sitting out (not to be nostalgic but would this player have sat out 20-30 years ago in the super bowl)? Didn't Terrell Owens play a super bowl years ago with a broken leg? He wouldn't be able to blitz or become force, but he would be able to leverage receivers downfield I would think..... First, what makes you think it's his last Super Bowl? Secondly, that stuff about guys who played with injuries is overdone. Guys sat out 20-30 years ago, too. Third, in Woodson wouldn't be able to blitz or force he wouldn't be much use. That's his game.
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Post by blb on Feb 7, 2011 17:25:29 GMT -6
He has come a long way from our days in college! Looks like "Animal House" East!
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Post by blb on Feb 7, 2011 17:46:15 GMT -6
that stuff about guys who played with injuries is overdone. Guys sat out 20-30 years ago, too. Classic example...Packer QB Bart Starr was knocked out (shoulder, like Woodson) of 1965 Division Playoff game in 1st Quarter vs. Don Shula's Baltimore Colts. He did not return and was replaced by Zeke Bratkowski, who guided Pack to controversial OT win (Chandler's FG that was ruled good and sent game into OT - led to NFL increasing height of goal posts). The Colts had RB Tom Matte at QB because Johnny Unitas and his back-up Gary Cuozzo had been injured in regular season and were unavailable. Matte had played QB at Ohio State for Woody Hayes. There were 40-man rosters in those days and no third-string or "Emergency" QBs like there are now. Packers went on to beat Browns for Lombardi's third (of five) NFL championships, their first since 1962.
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Post by hoosier on Feb 7, 2011 17:56:32 GMT -6
I got a question (and blast me if you like).... Charles Woodson. The only reason I bring this up (not that his injury wasn't legitimate or that he isn't a helluva player - and clearly Green Bay moved on without him in the lineup) , but being that this is / was this guy's last super bowl appearance, would a collar bone injury (likely a carotid process ligament tear) kept him out of the biggest game of his career? . my guess is that it is a clavical (collar bone) fracture or break. ive fractured mine before and wore a sling for 4 weeks. the pain for the first day is pretty bad when you turn or move the wrong way as i saw C Wood do on the sideline. and when i say turn the wrong way that includes just lifting your leg or trying to sit up
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Post by blb on Feb 7, 2011 18:01:12 GMT -6
The turf in Jerry Land seemed to be both slippery and hard, especially for an indoor stadium.
Woodson wasn't the only player to leave after hitting the fake grass and several players lost footing, including Roethlisberger when he tweaked his knee.
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Post by brophy on Feb 7, 2011 18:30:17 GMT -6
First, what makes you think it's his last Super Bowl? math Unless the Packers repeat in 2011 (how many times does that happen?) and there is no labor lockout...you would have a 35+ year old cornerback in professional football. Where are the odds stacked against? Secondly, that stuff about guys who played with injuries is overdone. Oh I agree, which is why I wasn't making a solid assertion to begin with and prefaced my comments liberally Third, in Woodson wouldn't be able to blitz or force he wouldn't be much use. That's his game. I agree and the post about selflessly giving up his role to let another player go in made sense and also why I prefaced that comment with the "leverage receivers" remark because thats all he would be able to do. The point was 1) likely his last game of 2010 against a competent opponent in a game that player's work their entire career for (he may have been needed) and 2) the rosters on NFL squads aren't limitless - just to get an athlete to play man-to-man against the Steelers receivers would be tough and Woodson has always been reknowned as a man-to-man corner. All that post was, was thinking aloud
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Post by td4tc on Feb 7, 2011 19:01:26 GMT -6
broph, reports confirmed that Woodson's "collarbone injury" was actually a fracture..don't know why they didn't just call it that the first time?
there is no way you are playing with a broken collar bone.sounds like the fracture hasn't displaced(no surgery) but it easily could have with another hit even on that one play that he tried to gut it out.no team surgeon in their right mind would have let him back with a positive Xray.
NOW, if he would have had a "separated shoulder" (ac joint) there is a chance to freeze it with local anasthetic and let him return without too much risk of further injury.but not with a clavicle fracture.
hope this clarifies that somewhat..kind of like chirping Cutler for not playing with an MCL sprain.gotta get all the facts
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Post by wingt74 on Feb 8, 2011 7:50:20 GMT -6
Fact is, Woodson is an elite player. His tackling is elite, his ability to create turnovers is unbelieveable, his coverage skills are excellent (running out of adjectives)...etc etc.
He is the MVP on the defense...loosing Woodson on D is like loosing Rodgers on O.
I'm trying to explain to fans back home here in WI, don't get too excited or talk dynasty. Woodson is hurt and he is old. Sure maybe we get the 10-15 guys back from IR...but nobody will ever replace Woodson....just like nobody has ever replaced Reggie White from the 90's.
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