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Post by dazzleox on Feb 4, 2011 12:30:05 GMT -6
How do you think you split up the time if you averaged it over the course of a year?
I'd say around 55% offense - 35% defense - 10% special teams. I coach on defense and have no problem with that...I realize it takes longer to install three wing T series, an I set, and a spread set than our base defense.
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Post by szimm29 on Feb 4, 2011 13:15:06 GMT -6
Weekly:
1:20 special teams
3 hours offense
3 hours defense
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Post by thakatalyst on Feb 4, 2011 13:27:55 GMT -6
Last season: 60% offense, 35% defense, 5% special teams. Our offense was still atrocious.
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Post by coachdennis on Feb 4, 2011 13:52:27 GMT -6
If you want to increase the amount of special teams you do, build it into your scrimmage. When the offense stalls, they punt. When they score, we kick three extra points, then run a kick off, etc. etc. I had a kid tell me once, "Coach, this is like a mini-game", to which I replied, "precisely!" It's amazing how good these kids get at playing the game when you actually let them play it...
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Post by hsrose on Feb 4, 2011 13:53:38 GMT -6
Just read a book on the I published in 1966. The author just flat said that 50% to defense, 40% to offense, and 10% to special teams. I've heard that allocation before.
I think that the allocation needs to be based on your base philosophy. If you are "stellar defense, field position (kicking), and don't screw up on offense" then you put a lot of time into the defense. If you are a complex offense or defense then you need to allocate more time to that. There is only so much time in the week and you have to play the allocation vs. what you think you are.
This year (JV) I'm looking to go with the 50-40-10 breakdown above. The offense is simple, power running, 6 base plays. Defense will be new (to me) so I'll need to spend more time there. The thing is these %'s all sound nice, but they get honked up when you throw in warm-ups, water, end of day, whatever.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 4, 2011 14:28:51 GMT -6
A typical practice for us would have about 20% more offensive time than defensive. This is in part because of the philosophy of the HC, who wants his defense dumb as dirt simple and his offense high scoring/productive.
I'm of the opinion that if your offense needs an extra 40-50 minutes of work each week, you might want to have a small re-examination of what you're doing. I'm not saying it's inexcusable or anything, just... An area of concern, imo.
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Post by k on Feb 4, 2011 16:38:58 GMT -6
Our philosophy is that without any practice we can run our offense against just about any defense without any adjustments. So with that in mind we probably spend 60-30-10 in favor of defense.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 4, 2011 17:02:53 GMT -6
Special teams takes the least amount of time. We spend time on it to get stuff right. I could not put a percentage on it. I think we wind up spending more time on coverage and PAT/FG then the return units.
O and D are pretty even. When I look at the amount of time we devote to each we probably actually spent more time on team D late in the season because the offense was being executed pretty well and we just needed to keep sharpe. Also in part because of the offenses we faced the last three weeks we had to spend more time on D.
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Post by bjohnson on Feb 4, 2011 18:09:17 GMT -6
40% D
35% O
25% S
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Post by drewdawg265 on Feb 22, 2011 16:49:27 GMT -6
monday-thursday. Monday o and d 45 min. St 15 min. Tues and wed we work o and d for 55 min each and st for 25. Thursday o and d go for about 15 min each and st 30 min. I would guess pct. would be 35-40 for o and d each and 20-25 for st.
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Post by seagull73 on Feb 22, 2011 18:04:45 GMT -6
Off- 40%
Def- 40%
ST- 20%
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 22, 2011 20:06:32 GMT -6
I think a more important question is what are you doing during the time allotted, especially with regards to special teams. How many kids aren't doing a darn thing during that period, vs how many are developing their special teams skills.
Same with offense and defense. Nothing ticked me off more than "servicing" our offense with our number 1 defense for 35 minutes of team....ESPECIALLY when they ran trap 5 times. PURE CRAP.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Feb 22, 2011 20:23:59 GMT -6
I love special teams and it is a huge role in my philosophy. Honestly though, we probably only rep it 5 to 10% of our practice plays. If you actually broke down how many special teams plays there were in a game, I suspect that it would be very close to 10%. I'm sure someone will come back with actual data to confirm or deny this statement, but I'm betting it's pretty close. We do like CoachDennis and incorporate it when the offense stalls and needs to punt or scores and has to kickoff.
Note: I'm at the middle school level, so my ST percentage may be slightly lower due to the fact that we rarely see an XP attempt, it's usually a 2pt attempt, which I would categorize as an offensive/defensive play.
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Post by pvogel on Feb 22, 2011 20:49:16 GMT -6
im more along the lines of the 50-40-10 philosophy i guess.
this thread made me re-examine my practice sched-
D: 235 mins (43.9%)
O: 195 mins (36.4%)
ST: 105 mins (19.6%)
that looks good to me.
i believe D needs more practice time than O.
Its MUCH harder for a D to prepare for an opponent week to week than an offense. A defense usually sees a different offense with different players, tendencies, plays, etc. every week. On offense i feel as if we can't be stopped no matter what the opponent does. and really, theres only so much a defense can throw at you. If you have all of your bases covered with sound rules and have spent time working against multiple looks, what the other teams defense does hardly matters.
thats my $ .02
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Post by pacena on Feb 22, 2011 21:00:01 GMT -6
We were close to 20 - 30% special teams this past season. We were two-platoon, so the offense and defense time were evenly split. The increased special teams time was vital in our improvement this past season (+2 in the win column).
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Post by jpdaley25 on Feb 23, 2011 6:15:09 GMT -6
Spring Practice - 50% O, 50% D
We get two weeks in shorts in the summer - 60% O, 20% D, 20% ST
Once we get in pads and throughout the season - 50% D, 30% O, 20% ST
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Post by coachjd on Feb 23, 2011 6:20:25 GMT -6
55 min a day on Def
50 min a day on Off
15 min a day on Sp Teams.
The first 3 days of practice where we can only where helmets, t-shirts and shorts we are about 70% offense - 20% Defense and 10% Special Teams.
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Post by seagull73 on Feb 23, 2011 8:26:09 GMT -6
I read somewhere that special teams plays account for 20% of the plays in a game on average so they get 20% of the practice time.
All special teams involve a change of possession or points so giving it any less would be a mistake.
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Post by dazzleox on Feb 23, 2011 11:01:58 GMT -6
20% of plays in the game would be every fifth play. I don't think that sounds right.
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Post by pvogel on Feb 23, 2011 11:30:17 GMT -6
20% of plays in the game would be every fifth play. I don't think that sounds right. you didnt see our offense(or our defense) last year har har har |
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Post by windigo on Feb 23, 2011 13:08:05 GMT -6
I'd say that we spend way more on the field time for offense than we do defense. But defense as a whole gets more chalk time. Our defense focuses a lot on tendency so we spend a lot less on the field time working individuals for defense and more time identifying formations and motions as they relate to the tendency of the offense that week and we spend a lot of time with the defense in the classroom before practice learning to recognize those formations and tendencies.
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Post by seagull73 on Feb 23, 2011 14:38:33 GMT -6
20% of plays in the game would be every fifth play. I don't think that sounds right. How many drives does a team have that goes more than 5 plays w/o a score or a punt. If there is a score there are 2 special teams plays in a row (PAT & KO). I think 20% is just about right. |
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