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Post by CoachUndershirt on Jan 25, 2011 12:40:47 GMT -6
I'm a PE major and one of the first things you learn is to be a good teacher you have to live what you teach. This got me thinking. As a football coach should you live by this philosophy too? While you preach the importance of the weight room and conditioning should you be working out too? If so, should you workout with players in the summer and maybe whenever you have your weightroom hours? If you preach to your team about a quality diet should you be eating a balanced diet also?
This has been bothering me for a few days because as I look back all my coaches were overweight and not in the greatest of shape and had some vices that they couldn't keep away from the program. I just want to hear what other coaches feel about this and what they do/don't do.
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Post by olcoach53 on Jan 25, 2011 12:48:08 GMT -6
A few of us coaches work out with the kids at the high school I coach at. They like seeing us work and they compete to lift with us. They like to see us down there sweating and working hard just like that are.
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Post by blb on Jan 25, 2011 12:56:12 GMT -6
It's a good point.
I am overweight, been known to drink a beer and smoke a stogie or two upon occasion (not in public though).
Have undertaken a regular diet and exercise regimen in last year mostly to improve my health. Being a "role model" is ancillary benefit.
I do my lifting before kids come into weight room - I feel guilty exercising while I'm supposed to be supervising, so they don't actually see me working out. Not to say others shouldn't do it.
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Post by lochness on Jan 25, 2011 13:08:51 GMT -6
I'm not in bad shape. I'm also not in anything resembling playing shape.
That being said, my job is to coach and to teach the game. My ability to lift or condition with the kids has nothing to do with my effectiveness in teaching the game and gaining the respect of the kids I work with.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 25, 2011 13:13:15 GMT -6
I definitely think it helps with perception, I know it affected me as a player, and I have to assume it still holds.
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 25, 2011 13:13:34 GMT -6
I'm not in bad shape. I'm also not in anything resembling playing shape. That being said, my job is to coach and to teach the game. My ability to lift or condition with the kids has nothing to do with my effectiveness in teaching the game and gaining the respect of the kids I work with. I agree with you and the longer you've been coaching and older you are the easier it is to gain respect. To younger coaches out there and from personal experience, me lifting with the kids occasionally and them seeing how much stronger I am than them and having played in college helps a lot to gaining their respect. Any young coach knows that at first it's hard to gain repect because of the small age difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 13:26:44 GMT -6
When I played high school, we had the biggest coaching staff in the conference by far. Not in terms of number of coaches either, if you know what I mean! But, I never looked at their "shape" and thought what they made me do in terms of conditioning was a contradiction.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 25, 2011 13:33:27 GMT -6
I haven't had any high school eligibility for over 30 years. I don't need to be in shape to call plays. Walking and staying fit are one thing, the weight room is for the kids and should be their domain. I see Rex Ryan and Mike McCarthy and think, well those fat asses are getting it done! LOL!!!!!
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Post by mattharris75 on Jan 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -6
Being in decent shape rather than morbidly obese is obviously good for a variety of health related reasons. But given that none of us coaches (or at least most of us) are competitive athletes any more, there's really no reason that our fitness be a reflection of our coaching ability. I think the kids understand why we ask them to do what they do in the weight room.
That said, I've found that working out with the kids is a great way to build relationships in the off-season. And I'm able to help our strength coach when I'm not lifting, so it's a bonus for him as well.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 25, 2011 14:05:17 GMT -6
I dont believe there is any need for me to stay "in playing shape" I will not play a single down this year. However, I do try to work out 3 times a week just so I keep some functionality to my body and am able to demonstrate the moves and positions that my kids need to be in both on the field and in the weight room.
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Post by phantom on Jan 25, 2011 14:17:22 GMT -6
I'm a fat guy and we have a lot of fat guys on our staff. We're fat guys with six rings, though, so we have that going for us, which is nice. Being competent at your job is a lot more important than being in good shape.
I do think that coaches should try to stay in shape but that's more for themselves than for image purposes. We do not need to be in competetive condition to do our job.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 25, 2011 14:19:19 GMT -6
As a football coach should you live by this philosophy too? While you preach the importance of the weight room and conditioning should you be working out too? Sure, it can't hurt. I won't sacrifice time with my family or the team for it though. It's hard to find time to work out on your own when you teach, coach, and work other kids out as well on top of balancing being a husband, father, and spending time with them. If it takes a backseat then so be it. You have to prioritize. Before I was married I worked out like a madman. After I was married it slowed down just a bit, but I was still going strong. Then I had a kid- to avoid being a total loser of a father/husband and never being home, workouts stopped. Now the gym is a place of the past, and I reside to working out in my basement when my son is asleep. Never. You cannot supervise while you exercise...no way in hell. I lift before or after they come in...mostly after. Sure, but what I should be eating and what they should be eating are way different. I'm not an competitive athlete, so I'm not going to eat like one. They are so they should.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 25, 2011 14:26:11 GMT -6
In "coaching terms", you need to be "fit enough" to demonstrate the skills you are teaching. And, yes, that includes OL coaches. When I demonstrate a pull and lead technique, I don't need to be able to do it at "game speed", but I'd better be in good enough shape so that I can do it correctly and consistently.
Obviously, it's a good idea to exercise and eat right but I don't think that it can make or break you as a coach. I've dropped 60lbs over the past year and I'm the same coach now that I was back then. The only real difference now is that I can play a full game of "potato ball" with the boys when we decide to end practice on a lighter note.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 25, 2011 14:33:15 GMT -6
Yeah, I had to have a hip replaced in 2005 and blew my right knee meniscus this past fall showing a kid how to pull on a quick screen, going 1/10 speed. I am still able to demonstrate technique but it hurts.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 25, 2011 14:37:11 GMT -6
I work pretty hard to stay fit as best I can because I like to be able to physically move around and perform the things I'm trying to coach. That's not to say I couldn't do it if I weighed a bit more, but I can do things much easier if I've been lifting/training.
I like looking like I could still play a few downs, I like feeling strong and well-conditioned, but I don't think it affects me all that much as a coach. I think I get a little bit of respect/credibility from my athletes because I'm in good shape and I still look the bit, but I'm not going to say that it's vital.
Almost all of our coaches on our staff are in good to decent shape for the age they are (I'm 26, eldest is like 62 ish). I've coached with a man who was so obese (400 lbs, easy) and out of shape that he smelled bad, couldn't get around without a talking pole (stick doesn't do the thing justice), and he couldn't demonstrate much at all. I don't want guys like that because he had serious respect/credibility issues with the kids. He was a great guy with a wonderful heart, but it just wasn't a good situation to coach with him.
At the end of the day, be in healthy shape and capable physique, but don't stress being Mr. Universe.
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Post by blb on Jan 25, 2011 14:45:32 GMT -6
I've become more fitness-conscious since I retired from teaching and have to pay my own health insurance premiums along with deductible and co-pays.
Also don't want to have to give up coaching because of an ailment I could've avoided by being smarter about diet and exercise.
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Post by seagull73 on Jan 25, 2011 15:14:45 GMT -6
I do not lift with the kids and don't allow my assistants to do it either. Our job is to coach and teach in the weight room. Work out on your own time. Every once in a while I'll make sure the kids see my do a bench set or two so they know I can still throw the weights around.
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Post by highball007 on Jan 25, 2011 15:18:42 GMT -6
There is no need to be in playing shape, but to regularly get a good sweat going is a good thing. I teach in the weight room all day and then coach the QB's/OC. During FB season I workout before school, some kids may come in to do make ups but for the most pasrt it is just me. After the season I lift after school and yes there are a few guys that come in and see me and then word spreads that I workout and the respect is much easier to get when that happens. When kids come in after school I am not super worried with what they are doing because I know they hit their Cores and good stuff in class. We have 6 Athletic Conditioning classes.
I have always believed in the "Practice what you Preach" Motto That doesn't mean you have to be doing Squats and Cleans, just means stay in shape and get a solid workout in with good work ethic.
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Post by Coach.A on Jan 25, 2011 15:20:30 GMT -6
Sure lifting and eating healthy isn't required to be a great coach BUT at the high school level it 100% makes your job easier if you do it. If you have the look and lifting numbers to back up what you preach then kids are way more likely to buy in.
I think that it's hypocritical of us to expect our players to lead by example but not our coaches. I'm not saying you have to be a weight room warrior, but your health should be a priority at every stage of your life (even after you're married with kids).
I'm also guilty of this, but it's funny how many of us that claim to "have no time to workout" also have hundreds or even thousands of posts on coachhuey.com.
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Post by blb on Jan 25, 2011 15:30:13 GMT -6
We're fat guys with six rings, though, so we have that going for us, which is nice. LOL - bet you didn't get them from the Lama, either.
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Post by mattharris75 on Jan 25, 2011 16:36:35 GMT -6
I do not lift with the kids and don't allow my assistants to do it either. Our job is to coach and teach in the weight room. Work out on your own time. Every once in a while I'll make sure the kids see my do a bench set or two so they know I can still throw the weights around. That's the great thing about having a paid strength and conditioning coach. My time in the weight room is my own time, the other coaches don't have to be there...
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Post by coachcb on Jan 25, 2011 16:46:12 GMT -6
Second note; you shouldn't be lifting with the kids but you need to be in good enough shape to demonstrate the lifts properly. I've coached with guys that couldn't demonstrate a squat or a clean to save their lives. And, it wasn't that they didn't understand the lift; they couldn't physically do a proper squat or a clean.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 25, 2011 16:46:30 GMT -6
Second note; you shouldn't be lifting with the kids but you need to be in good enough shape to demonstrate the lifts properly. I've coached with guys that couldn't demonstrate a squat or a clean to save their lives. And, it wasn't that they didn't understand the lift; they couldn't physically do a proper squat or a clean.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 25, 2011 16:52:36 GMT -6
One year when we were all young bucks we got to kicking FGs on Thur night and hoggin the balls from the kickers, Big Ed just about fired us all!
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Post by coachks on Jan 25, 2011 18:52:19 GMT -6
It's like taking diet advice from Dr. Phil, you just aren't going to get the same buy-in from everyone. It doesn't change the message, but it makes it tougher.
If you look like a professional strongman, you are going to get some instant-respect, the same way that former players get a degree of instant-respect. Over time you can lose that if you prove to be a dumb ass, and you can obviously earn respect without it. But there is a positive impact to being in shape.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 25, 2011 19:36:18 GMT -6
I believe in it... that said, i know 95% of coaches do not think so.
I just buy in to the whole practice what you preach methodology. When i workout I just feel better, I look a lot better.. it helps in every aspect of life I feel. I am young now, so I know its no big deal for my body, but I am trying to build up strength so I am that 70 something year old coach who is still active as Hell and can still whoop some @ss
That said I do not work out with the kids... I do not think that I can effectively do my job as a supervisor of the weight room and coach of technique and effort if I am focusing on my own workout. i have tried to do so in the past and it doesnt work... Either a crappy workout for me, or for them... either way it isnt what i am there for.
I have a gym membership, and that gym has locations both in the city i live, and the city i coach in.
I either workout at night after practice
or I workout in the gym in the city i coach, before practice starts (i do this to beat the traffic usually)
Either way I am going to be in the gym a minimum of 5 days per week.
I think as our S&C guy it helps out in terms of credibility in coaching the lifts and effort... I have seen kids look at "bigger" coaches and say "his fat @ss doesnt know anything about working out"
I just want to be the example for my kids in every aspect
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 25, 2011 21:44:10 GMT -6
modeling a healthy lifestyle, or other positive behavior is great. but, that is more along the lines of character development than the "if i'm gonna make them do it, then i should do it" rhetoric. they are training for a competition in a football game. any "training" I do is simply to give me a better way of life - a healthier, more 'enjoyable' life. it's not for competition. so, not sure how my riding the exercise bike in the mornings has any impact on if our qb is going to hit the weights harder because he saw me "working out".
coaching is about coaching the kids ... getting them trained physically and mentally to compete at the highest levels they can. my physical fitness goals aren't going to be as such - i'm through competing and my team isn't counting on me to carry the ball or make a tackle. i'm pretty sure most of our players understand that what they are doing is for them - and the fact that i'm not training on the same routine as them as any bearing on their determination to win. we do plyometrics, box jumps, bounding, etc. I don't. there is no reason for me to do that. it doesn't take away from our kids. they know that all of our coaches have been there, done that back when we played. it is part of the players "job". the coaches "jobs" are much different in reference to winning games.
our kids don't need to see me repping heavy squats or cleaning big weight to swing their minds in any fashion towards working harder. it won't help us win games. modeling a healthy lifestyle, though, will go a lot longer in shaping their character (if we are going to discuss any impact my "training" my have) and how they live their life after football.
when seniors choose a college, how many picked college A over college B because college A's coach could bench press 350 lbs?
i'm not downplaying a coach working out - i work out. however, it isn't to impress our players. it isn't to motivate our players. it isn't to show the players how to work, blah, blah. it is strictly for my personal health.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 26, 2011 8:15:18 GMT -6
I don't think you need to look comically over-developed, but I think being in generally good shape helps with your image. When I was a player, coaches would rotate supervision and working out, and it made sense to me, we saw that they cared, and they were basically getting a free gym membership out of the deal. There's no need to go nuts about it either.
As for college A vs college B, I wonder how often that razor-sharp difference is between Nick Saban coming in looking sharp, and Mark Mangino coming in, looking like himself.
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Post by htownoc on Jan 26, 2011 8:36:26 GMT -6
I am a position coach at my school. I am not the strength coach and I am not the head coach.
Most of our coaches have great weight room attendance but, up until recently, most of them sat together in the weight room and talked with each other during workouts- not coaching or spotting or doing anything productive.
I decided that I would lift with my offensive linemen this year because I tried to be a facilitator/supervisor last year and it was not effective. In the past month, most of the other coaches have also started working out- they do a circuit workout of their own.
My point is, I don't know if working out with the kids is the best philosophy, but I know it is much better than anything I've been a part of for the past five or six years. At the very least, I can be sure that 2 or 3 kids have a great workout everyday and I can model the techniques (both lifting and spotting) and the pace/intensity that we want to have. That has to be better than trying to coach the whole room by yourself or sitting and BS'ing with other coaches or doing my own personal fitness workout.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 26, 2011 10:10:08 GMT -6
Well, I guess it is time for me to hang up my whistle because I don't work out and don't plan to. Charlie Weiss and Ralph Friedgen and all the fat guys in the world should just give up the game, I guess.
Rex Ryan can't get it done either.
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