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Post by groundchuck on Dec 12, 2006 19:12:21 GMT -6
Elementary question, but how do you huddle on offense? (No huddle guys you can chime in too on your opinions)  Do you circle up.... ..........X.X.X.X.X .........X.............X ...........X.X.X.X. OR....line up? ......Q T.G.C.G.T. X.Y.Z.F.T. Finally....why do you huddle the way you do? From what I have seen most NFL teams circle up? The high school teams we play are about 50% circle and 50% line-up method. Not that I am looking to change the way I have my guys huddle (line-up style) but I am curious as to the logic behind the different styles. |
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Post by brophy on Dec 12, 2006 19:19:10 GMT -6
line up - both offense & defense
Strong (right)
Weak (left)
-----Q------
T-G-C-G-T-
X-F-A-Y--Z-
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Post by djwesp on Dec 12, 2006 19:53:35 GMT -6
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Post by djwesp on Dec 12, 2006 19:54:04 GMT -6
We circle because we thinks it makes it a little harder for the defense to see the personnel you have on the field.
When you do the line, you can see who is in the huddle a lot easier.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 12, 2006 20:30:53 GMT -6
We circle because we thinks it makes it a little harder for the defense to see the personnel you have on the field. When you do the line, you can see who is in the huddle a lot easier. how 'bout defensive coaches watch substitutions? lol our guys don't watch the "huddle" but who is coming on / going off. |
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Post by PSS on Dec 12, 2006 20:38:04 GMT -6
We circle because we thinks it makes it a little harder for the defense to see the personnel you have on the field. When you do the line, you can see who is in the huddle a lot easier. how 'bout defensive coaches watch substitutions? lol our guys don't watch the "huddle" but who is coming on / going off. As a defensive coordinator i'm with Huey. I'm always looking for personnel going into the game not who's in the huddle. So I rarely pay attention to the huddle. Defensive huddle is simple, d-line up front facing the offense w/ the secondary and olb behind them. ILB's are up front calling the defense. |
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Post by djwesp on Dec 13, 2006 0:23:26 GMT -6
As a defensive coordinator i'm with Huey. I'm always looking for personnel going into the game not who's in the huddle. So I rarely pay attention to the huddle. Given the substitution rules in NFHS and the fact that the line system clearly puts the skill position players in a position to easily identify them that is why we do it. If we played under NCAA/NFL rules with that substitution policy it wouldn't matter as much. Also, identifying numbers in a circle is much harder to do (since the numbers face 360 in the circle) as the line system they are in an easy to read straight line. (compounded by the fact most coaches put skill position players in a straight line standing in the back) If your defensive coordinator on the sideline can look the 50 yards across the field (cluttered with refs and players and with a crowd behind it) and know the personnel grouping everytime then your eyes are a lot better than ours. Anything to delay the determination of what personnel package we are in, IS A GOOD THING. We'd much rather settle for that DC that can figure out who is coming in all the way across the field, than risk a DC that sits there and just checks the sheet as our players stand in a straight line for him to do it. |
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Post by tedseay on Dec 13, 2006 5:22:16 GMT -6
chuck: I do it like this: ..........................Ball ...........ST SG C BG BT
.............X H F Y Z
.................QThe Hogs are upright, the skill kids have hands on knees but eyes up and on QB; I have so much lard in between the skill guys and the D that their own mothers couldn't ID them...  |
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Post by coachroberts99 on Dec 13, 2006 6:27:07 GMT -6
As for Defence I go with..... Cp is my captain who is my strong corner at the moment, and oursideline is to the left of the formation so my captain can see my signals clearly.
...............Ball.
.......DE..DT..DT..DE
......CB...LB.LB.LB....CB
...............Cp..... FS
I don't ask anyone to take a knee, but the backers have to scoot down a bit. It always hacked me off as a player having to constantly get up and down!
I find this is the easiest way to count personell and make sure everyone can see the captain clearly. Also once we break the D-Line and the Backers only really have to turn around, and everyone is real close to where they need to be.
Just my opinion tho!
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Post by spartancoach on Dec 13, 2006 7:43:14 GMT -6
Offensive, we use the line method:
Q
T G C G T
X T F Z Y
Why? That's the way it was done before the current staff took over and saw no reason to change.
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Post by superpower on Dec 13, 2006 8:48:14 GMT -6
I have done it both ways, and this year I simply asked the kids what they preferred. They were comfortable with the line-up method, so that is what we did. We don't spend much time on how to huddle. As long as the kids are getting the correct info in an efficient manner, I am okay with it.
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Post by coachnorm on Dec 13, 2006 10:38:32 GMT -6
We use a victory huddle so that we're out of each other's way to sprint to the line
C
G G
T T
E E
TB QB HB
FB
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Post by coachnorm on Dec 13, 2006 10:41:19 GMT -6
WOW! That didn't look right we should look a little like geese flying south for the winter.
...........C..................
.........G..G...............
........T.....T..............
.......E.......E.............
.....TB..QB.HB...........
...........FB................
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Post by tribepride on Dec 13, 2006 10:46:38 GMT -6
Offensive huddle is the line method.
Defense we just have them get "close" and then make the call. We try to save energy and I don't think its life or death that we huddle on defense as long as the kids get the call. Only had two "subs" for defense.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Dec 13, 2006 12:17:28 GMT -6
We do the line method so that we can use our quick break huddle and get to the line and snap the ball ASAP.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 13, 2006 12:35:41 GMT -6
If your defensive coordinator on the sideline can look the 50 yards across the field (cluttered with refs and players and with a crowd behind it) and know the personnel grouping everytime then your eyes are a lot better than ours. Anything to delay the determination of what personnel package we are in, IS A GOOD THING. We'd much rather settle for that DC that can figure out who is coming in all the way across the field, than risk a DC that sits there and just checks the sheet as our players stand in a straight line for him to do it. i don't know the dynamics of your staff's setup, but we have 1 person whose #1 job is to make personnel calls. this player is in the box and simply makes whatever call needs to be made. DC determines how those called are said .. i.e. "jumbo" .. or "80 is in" or however, depending on scouting and what particulars that offense likes to use from their different personnel groupings. having 1 guy with that responsibility has always been a part of staff's i have been on. in fact, last time i was on the defensive side of the ball, that was my job. giving this job to someone other than the DC was important as the DC could still be 'in the game flow' according to down/distance thinking ... then the package call helped him narrow down his defensive call even further. also, probably best if this guy is in the box. |
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Post by coachshs on Jan 15, 2007 20:59:57 GMT -6
Why huddle? Give them wristbands and keep the defense on the field. Make sure you are in shape and run them into the ground! ;D
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Post by toprowguy on Jan 15, 2007 21:10:09 GMT -6
We did not huddle once all season. We signaled everything in to the WR/RB/QB and the QB gave the play to the OL. We had very few mistakes like 3 all season. We had more errors when we huddled.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2007 8:38:40 GMT -6
Defensively we're really loose on the huddle. I personally tape the wristband call sheet onto every one on our 2 deep and make the initial signal. Mike makes the call twice walking around just to verify it. Secondary has coverage signals that they give to each other so we verify coverage too. We don't miss calls and we're ready.
Sure it's still tough to get the calls in vs. no-huddle, but our kids don't panic when they see it.
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Post by spartancoach on Jan 16, 2007 12:40:34 GMT -6
As to using wristband, we run about 10 basic running plays, and 10 basic pass plays (ballpark), but each from about 5 different formations (10 with L and R), and using about 5 different motions (10 with L and R). We were able to use wristbands at times for each of our base plays out of one formation with no or only one motion because we wrote it all out on the band. But we were unable to call all of our formations and motions to exploit the various fronts and coverages. Suggestions?
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 16, 2007 13:00:22 GMT -6
I believe the circle huddle with heads dipped in, facing the QB is to help players hear in the huddle over high levels of crowd noise.
I use the line huddle because I want each player to have the shortest route to get to his position.
Our base formation
...................E.T.G.C.G.T.E..
F..........................Q...........
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......................TGCGT
......................EF23E
This allows me to break from the huddle quick and snap the ball
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Post by coachshs on Jan 16, 2007 17:04:34 GMT -6
Number the formation, color the motion, and number the play. Color your formation, use a letter/name for motion and number the plays on the wrist coach. 13 Red 43 Red Zip 43 Just an idea. As to using wristband, we run about 10 basic running plays, and 10 basic pass plays (ballpark), but each from about 5 different formations (10 with L and R), and using about 5 different motions (10 with L and R). We were able to use wristbands at times for each of our base plays out of one formation with no or only one motion because we wrote it all out on the band. But we were unable to call all of our formations and motions to exploit the various fronts and coverages. Suggestions? |
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Post by ttone2210 on Jan 16, 2007 17:46:50 GMT -6
We actually changed to the circle method this year. In the past lineman formed the first line and skills were behind them.
Y Z H F X
T G C T T
Q
QB used to say the place twice, first to the left side then to the right. We changed our offensive system and verbage this year. Some calls are fairly lengthy so we wanted our QB to make sure he spoke slow and clear in huddle. We only wanted him to say the play once and felt it would be easier to hear with everyone circled around him.
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Post by lsrood on Jan 18, 2007 8:34:56 GMT -6
For SpartanCoach:
We signaled in the formations to the QB who called it immediately to the huddle (line setup) and then the play was sent in with a set of receivers that we alternated as pairs. We let the players help choose the signals so it would be easier for them to remember. Once the receivers relayed the play to the QB all he did was call the play & snap count & we were up to the line. One of my assistants was signaling in the formation at the same time the receivers were headed in with the play so we didn't lose any time. We also went no huddle at times to change the pace and had all players with wristbands. Here we would signal in the formation and then using a color code and number signal would send in the play such as Red 1 A or B (to R or L). All the players would look at their bands & we would be ready to go.
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Do you circle up....
