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Post by wingtol on Oct 1, 2006 5:50:21 GMT -6
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 1, 2006 7:38:57 GMT -6
was that the coaches kid or something? just stupid unless they had no other backs...even then, they could have let the linemen carry the rock. im embarassed for the coach really. what could he have been thinking???
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Post by fort on Oct 1, 2006 7:52:06 GMT -6
Got it on only 29 carries. Not like he ran it every play. Winning that big and still running him is ridiculous, though.
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Post by los on Oct 1, 2006 8:05:04 GMT -6
Well, good thing is if you play these guys you know who's getting the ball lol! los
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 1, 2006 8:42:40 GMT -6
Well, good thing is if you play these guys you know who's getting the ball lol! los lol |
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Post by wingtol on Oct 1, 2006 11:42:46 GMT -6
I looked them up no maxpreps and it appears that there are only 25 kids on the team. Must be in a very samll small school league. But I agree why keep running that kid give some one else a shot. We had a situation here last year where a kid set the state rushing record in a game. The game was well out of hand but they kept him in, the caoch claimed not to know how close to the record he was but still had the rb in when it was like 45-0.
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Post by poweriguy on Oct 1, 2006 12:19:32 GMT -6
Kind of hard to tell from the story what happened. Did he score all of thoses TD's in the first half? The kid did have some long runs. Or were they running it up in the 4th? I've seen games where a runnng back had over 200 in a half on like 6 carries. All long runs.
I'll reseve judgment when we get the whole story.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 1, 2006 12:20:30 GMT -6
pure garbage...coach should be fired.
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 1, 2006 17:54:38 GMT -6
I agree with wingt74, plus it's a chance to let some young players get some time. The 29 carries is what really makes it bad!
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Post by Coach Geordie on Oct 2, 2006 10:06:08 GMT -6
I think you can question the kids heart.
His 19 non scoring runs only went for 181 yards. He averages less than 10 yards a carry on non scoring plays and 40 yards a pop when he does.
He obviously needs to work on his desire more. Sounds like it was just a case of his coach beasting him for not trying unless he's going to get the TD.
(I'm not good with smiley's - which one do you use for irony?)
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Post by jman on Oct 2, 2006 19:07:53 GMT -6
There is never an excuse for a coach humiliating 15, 16, 17 year boys by running up a score like that. It is a travesty to the game of football.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Oct 2, 2006 19:12:35 GMT -6
My first reaction, I wish I had him. my second reaction 600+ yards is out of control. What is the coach trying to prove?
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Post by airman on Oct 2, 2006 19:27:41 GMT -6
i do not see it as running up the score. it is not the job of him or his coach to keep the score down. it is the other team.
he was running the ball, what should they have done, pass it back to them?
it is one of those situations which happen.
we had a team score 81-0. they did nto mean it, they just scored 11 times on really long runs.
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Post by coachpoe on Oct 2, 2006 20:19:41 GMT -6
airman, with all due respect, it seems like the coach is running it up. He could have pulled the kid and given carries to his 2nd string back. This would only help his team and not embarress the other team. Get the second string back some carries, there is no need for your top back to get 29 carries in a game like this. If the 2nd or 3rd strings are scoring on long runs then I agree with you, but there is no reason to leave this kid in the game and keep feeding him the ball. Just my opinion.
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Post by Yash on Oct 2, 2006 20:42:30 GMT -6
This year we were playing a team that we totally out matched. It was 54-0 at half and our rb had almost 300 yards. He didn't touch the ball the second half and the JVs got in. Put some other kids in. We only have 18 kids on varsity but we can still move kids around to get other kids reps.
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Post by airman on Oct 2, 2006 20:56:41 GMT -6
airman, with all due respect, it seems like the coach is running it up. He could have pulled the kid and given carries to his 2nd string back. This would only help his team and not embarress the other team. Get the second string back some carries, there is no need for your top back to get 29 carries in a game like this. If the 2nd or 3rd strings are scoring on long runs then I agree with you, but there is no reason to leave this kid in the game and keep feeding him the ball. Just my opinion. I guess I approach it list this, there is no such thing as running up the score unless you are doing abnormal things. if you are running fake punts or fkicking field goals or if you are a running team and now you decide to work on the passing game. those are rubbing it in the face of your opponents. if you are running your offense ane the other team can not stop you, whoes fault is that. one also has to think about safety. if the team which is down, still has their number one defense in, is it safe to put in your 2 and 3rd stringers? I think you are feeding them to the wolves then and potentially getting htem hurt. the losing team has the obligation to throw in the towel. you take your first teamers out, is signals you are done for the night. just my two cents. |
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Post by djwesp on Oct 2, 2006 22:53:55 GMT -6
Right or wrong... the coach was doing it to try to prove a point...
MATEWAN, W.Va. - Matewan High School officials have forfeited the football team's first three wins after a player was ruled ineligible.
But Matewan Principal Marcella Charles said she plans to appeal the ruling.
Senior Garrett Epling's eligibility came into question after transferring from the Belfry (Ky.) High School.
Charles said the decision to forfeit the games was made by her and officials from the Secondary School Activities Commission. She notified high school principals of Shelby Valley in Kentucky, Madonna and Williamson of the decision this week.
Matewan (4-0), was ranked No. 5 on Tuesday in the SSAC's Class A computer ratings. After forfeiting, Matewan's record would change to 1-3 and its position in the ratings would drop drastically, throwing its playoff prospects in jeopardy. The top 16 teams make the playoffs.
On Thursday, the rankings had not changed; Matewan was still No. 5 while Madonna was tied at No. 15 and Williamson was 26.
Matewan coach Yogi Kinder said earlier this week he was told to hold Epling out of the Tigers' game Saturday against Man. Epling was a linebacker and a backup running back in the first three games for the Tigers.
Mike Hayden, the SSAC's executive director, declined comment Thursday, saying it was up to the school to release any information.
Charles declined to discuss the matter further.
"I have to protect the rights of the student," she said Thursday. "We will be doing the right thing at Matewan High School."
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 3, 2006 9:56:50 GMT -6
i do not see it as running up the score. it is not the job of him or his coach to keep the score down. it is the other team. he was running the ball, what should they have done, pass it back to them? it is one of those situations which happen. we had a team score 81-0. they did nto mean it, they just scored 11 times on really long runs. You put your backup running back in at minimum. Now, if your 2nd and 3rd teamers continue to score thats one thing. To keep your stud HB in when the game is WAY out of reach is garbage. I would have no respect for any coach that did this. |
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Post by vtjapes on Oct 3, 2006 10:35:28 GMT -6
For those interested he didn't score all his TDs in the first half...Oh and the backup RB did get in the game he had 2 carries and some other guy had 1 (oops my bad that 1 carry was by the FB and the other two were a WR)
Scoring Summary
First Quarter:
Matewan(6:33)-Paul McCoy 69yd TD RUN
Matewan(6:33)-Boxer Prater EXTRA POINT KICK
Matewan(2:40)-Paul McCoy 1ys TD RUN
Matewan(2:40)-Boxer Prater Kick Failed
Second Quarter:
Matewan(10:59)-Paul McCoy 52yd TD RUN
Matewan(10:59)-Boxer Prater Kick Failed
Matewan(6:53)-Paul McCoy 56yd TD RUN
Matewan(6:53)-Boxer Prater EXTRA POINT KICK
Third Quarter:
Matewan(10:47)-Paul McCoy 53yd TD RUN
Matewan(10:47)-Boxer Prater Kick Failed
Matewan(6:23)-Paul McCoy 15yd TD RUN
Matewan(6:23)-Boxer Prater Kick Failed
Matewan(6:08)-Paul McCoy 31yd TD RUN
Matewan(6:08)-Boxer Prater Kick Failed
Matewan(1:29)-Paul McCoy 84yd TD RUN
Matewan(1:29)-Boxer Prater EXTRA POINT KICK
Fourth Quarter:
Matewan(7:21)-Paul McCoy 87yd TD RUN
Matewan(7:21)-Boxer Prater EXTRA POINT KICK
Matewan(4:30)-Paul McCoy 25yd TD RUN
Matewab(4:30)-Boxer Prater Kick Failed
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Post by coachcb on Oct 3, 2006 11:02:08 GMT -6
After he busted off 4 TD runs of 50+, I would have pulled him.
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Post by vtjapes on Oct 3, 2006 11:11:09 GMT -6
Fourth Quarter:
Matewan(4:30)-Paul McCoy 25yd TD RUN
This definately is not one of those situations where he was backed up on his own GL and put the kid in there to get them out of trouble and oops he busted it loose. 25 yards with 4:00 left up 58-0.
I don't expect the offense to try to keep the score down and this one...
Fourth Quarter:
Matewan(7:21)-Paul McCoy 87yd TD RUN ... doesn't bother me too greatly, preserve the shut out get out of trouble and he pops it for 87yards.
but seriously 58-0, 25 yards & 4:00 left
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Post by vtjapes on Oct 3, 2006 11:12:28 GMT -6
As a side note some of this may be jealousy...we don't have a guy that could score 10 touch downs and run for 600 yards if we gave him 3 hours and no defense. 3 times down the field and they pass out.
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Post by coachroberts99 on Oct 4, 2006 5:55:44 GMT -6
My only objection to it is that ultimately we play football to win but you must get 2nd and 3rd strings game time; not to avoid making a team look bad, but why keep risking your stud HB getting injured? Why bother? What did he gain from playing the whole game? He won't have learnt anything from whupping that team; but a back up might have done. If he does get hurt now you are up a gum tree, IMO a coach should ensure that players get as much time as they deserve and to ensure you have strength at depth. Also on a lesser point imagine how that 2nd String RB feels... bet he's real motivated now, knowing that even then he won't get a game! Good on them for scoring so many, but it all comes down to the O-line anway; great job upfront guys  . |
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Post by coach239 on Oct 4, 2006 6:53:17 GMT -6
My concern would be for the kid. If he carried the ball 29 times in a blow out I can only assume that in a tight game, or a losing effort he might carry the ball 40+ times. Its kind of like a punch drunk boxer, you dont want a high school player taking this many UNNECESSARY hits.
This was not a good decision by the Coach. I agree that it sends the wrong message to the players. Arent we obligated to teach sportsmanship and showmanship to our players?
If any of this Coach's players act unsportsmanlike at at anytime during the rest of the season how can the Coach say anything?
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 4, 2006 6:57:12 GMT -6
If any of this Coach's players act unsportsmanlike at at anytime during the rest of the season how can the Coach say anything? EXCELLENT point |
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Post by vtjapes on Oct 4, 2006 8:03:25 GMT -6
My concern would be for the kid. If he carried the ball 29 times in a blow out I can only assume that in a tight game, or a losing effort he might carry the ball 40+ times. Its kind of like a punch drunk boxer, you dont want a high school player taking this many UNNECESSARY hits. I don't think he took many hits  10 of the 29 went to the house |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 4, 2006 9:59:18 GMT -6
This discussion would be very different if the stud RB had broken his leg with 4:30 left in the 4th quarter. After the kid and your offense punches in his 5th TD in the beginning of the 3rd, its time to get your depth some reps.
Plus- what point are you proving by running up a score and humilating a group of high school kids? The score of that football game has nothing to do with the school boards ruling on eligibility. This guy just set a terrible example for his players and makes all of us look bad. As football coaches, we are generally stereo-typed as egocentric tyranrs from day 1 and this guy is perpetuating that stereo-type.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 4, 2006 10:01:14 GMT -6
On another note- look at how the media is handling this story. Are they condeming this coach for his actions? -NO. Are they discussing sportsmanship? NO. They're glorifying the numbers the kid put up and nothing more
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Post by jman on Oct 4, 2006 15:05:39 GMT -6
airman, with all due respect, it seems like the coach is running it up. He could have pulled the kid and given carries to his 2nd string back. This would only help his team and not embarress the other team. Get the second string back some carries, there is no need for your top back to get 29 carries in a game like this. If the 2nd or 3rd strings are scoring on long runs then I agree with you, but there is no reason to leave this kid in the game and keep feeding him the ball. Just my opinion. I guess I approach it list this, there is no such thing as running up the score unless you are doing abnormal things. if you are running fake punts or fkicking field goals or if you are a running team and now you decide to work on the passing game. those are rubbing it in the face of your opponents. if you are running your offense ane the other team can not stop you, whoes fault is that. one also has to think about safety. if the team which is down, still has their number one defense in, is it safe to put in your 2 and 3rd stringers? I think you are feeding them to the wolves then and potentially getting htem hurt. the losing team has the obligation to throw in the towel. you take your first teamers out, is signals you are done for the night. just my two cents. Safety Issue?  If you are afraid to put a kid on the field for fear of getting him hurt why suit him out in the first place? Yea...there is no excuse for running the score and humiliating "boys". Coaches that do that tarnish the game. I know of a coach that would kick field goals on first down just to keep from scoring another touchdown. College and Pro games that get out of hand dont really bother as much, but there is no justification for in High School. |
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Post by vtjapes on Oct 5, 2006 11:50:54 GMT -6
On another note- look at how the media is handling this story. Are they condeming this coach for his actions? -NO. Are they discussing sportsmanship? NO. They're glorifying the numbers the kid put up and nothing more I noticed that also but thought it was just me. That's the thing that I though was weird though. The same station that was always crying about college football and teams running up the scores to get better rankings never once mentioned any of the negatives of this situation. |
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If you are afraid to put a kid on the field for fear of getting him hurt why suit him out in the first place?