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Post by humdawg25 on Nov 27, 2006 22:34:01 GMT -6
These schools are ridiculous. Last year Alabama was what, 9-0 and ranked #3 in the country? All of a sudden in a rebuilding year they go 6-6 and everyone panics. What do they want from a guy who took over a program in shambles that has had a coach vow to stay then sneak out in the middle of the night, their next coach resign over a strip club incident and that has been on and off of probation for close 5 or 6 years? Anyway, I think Schiano to Miami makes a lot of sense, but if he wants to stay at Rutgers why not? He has some good talent coming back and they are only going to improve as a program with him as the HC, IMO. Rodriguez to Alabama is an interesting move, I would be surprised if he did it and I wouldn't if I was him, but you never know it sounds like a possibly on the this board. IMO, it's quite simple as far as Alabama goes. They've been looking for the next Bear Bryant. They've been looking for at least 24 years now, and they aren't going to find one! |
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Post by coachm on Nov 28, 2006 8:17:16 GMT -6
It's a different day and age for head coaches at the college level. They have to think in terms of their value at any moment and go with that. If they don't, their agents will dump them!  The days of long term icons at a school like Paterno or Bowden are long gone and not coming back. (Like so many other things of the "good old days".) I hear people saying Schiano needs to stay at Rutgers. If he has a better offer at Miami, he'd be nuts to not take it. The minute Rutgers falls down, people will swarm like locust. It even started to happen a couple of years ago at Penn State. It was only a few years ago that a group of college profs/alumni at Rutgers were beating the drums about dropping to IAA. Colleges with revenue producing football programs are addicted to the money - they need it to pay for everything a college thinks it need to do. That all being said, I'd be interested in knowing how many high school coaches on this board feel the heat to win? |
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Post by wildcat on Nov 28, 2006 8:24:09 GMT -6
Yep, and, in college ball, timing is everything. Schiano's stock is very high right now. If he has ambitions to move up (and I'm sure he does), he would be foolish to pass on an opportunity to return to Miami. What happens if he waits a year and Rutgers is 7-4 next year and then they drop to 5-6 the year after and he ends up getting fired a year after that? A lot of people might say that there's no way that would happen, but, does anyone think that Larry Coker would have ever been fired back in '01? I'll start by making it clear that I'm not from Jersey and that I'm not a Rutgers fan. If the Rutgers administration has committed to football it can be a good job. There's great talent in Jersey and there's only one D. 1 school in the state. I understand that they have good administrative support and great facilities. He's also making good money. If Schiano, a Jersey guy, likes living there why shouldn't he stay? Well, if he likes it where he is at, I'm sure he will. Point is that jobs at schools like Rutgers or schools in mid-major conferences like the MAC are traditionally viewed as "stepping stones" to jobs at higher profile, more "prestigious" schools in major conferences with national recognition (like Miami). I don't know if Shiano will leave Rutgers. I DO know that, even if Rutgers goes 11-0 next year, they probably WON'T be considered for a berth in a national championship game because they are perceived as a mid-major school in a weak conference. My guess is that Shiano is a pretty ambitious guy and would like to play for a national championship or even coach in the NFL at some point. That's probably not going to happen at Rutgers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2006 8:59:32 GMT -6
50murf, I know it was a Mega or Glazier clinic. i have the email saved still, but I believe the second weekend of February. If not, I'll edit this post.
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Post by knighter on Nov 28, 2006 10:41:23 GMT -6
Had for sale signs in my yard in 2004 after losing a tight ballgame to the eventual state champ in the quarterfinals. They buried everyone else the rest of the way. Pressure to win? Went 8-2 without a whole lot of talent this year, and people in town are buzzing that it is time for change here. So yep, even in Iowa there is pressure to win at the HS level.
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Post by blb on Nov 28, 2006 11:17:18 GMT -6
Woody Hayes said, "One year they give you a new car...the next year, they give you the gas to get out of town" (see: Shula, Mike).
knighter, I would say your situation is hard to believe, except I was invited not to return two years after taking a school to its first-ever playoff berth and first championship in 31 years!
So, YES - there is heat to win at the HS level!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2006 11:17:26 GMT -6
This is my brother's first season as a varsity basketball coach. He lost his first two games of a Thanksgiving tournament. He lives on the second floor of an apartment complex. I jokingly told him the best part of this was he had no yard for for sale signs. This was right after loss 2, though, so he didn't find the humor in it!
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Post by tribepride on Nov 28, 2006 12:01:17 GMT -6
Had for sale signs in my yard in 2004 after losing a tight ballgame to the eventual state champ in the quarterfinals. They buried everyone else the rest of the way. Pressure to win? Went 8-2 without a whole lot of talent this year, and people in town are buzzing that it is time for change here. So yep, even in Iowa there is pressure to win at the HS level. Just think if they were hippies........Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, that football coach has got to go.......  |
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Post by coachmacplains on Nov 28, 2006 12:22:37 GMT -6
Haven't heard much about Chizik, other than he was DC at Texas. Anyone know much about him? I have an interest having grown up 40 miles from Ames; I hope the best for ISU and think McCarney did an admirable job there...
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Post by brophy on Nov 28, 2006 12:28:47 GMT -6
Haven't heard much about Chizik, other than he was DC at Texas. Anyone know much about him? I have an interest having grown up 40 miles from Ames; I hope the best for ISU and think McCarney did an admirable job there... I believe he studied under TB Monte Kiffin to install his defense at Texas. |
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Post by knighter on Nov 28, 2006 12:51:54 GMT -6
ISU picked the wrong guy in my opinion. Chizik will use ISU as a stepping stone. Loney would have stayed at ISU for good had he been hired. Our FB Assoc. (state HS) wrote a letter to Pollard recommending him for the job. Why would Pollard care? He is alos using ISU as a stepping stone to the big time.
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Post by edwardslv on Nov 28, 2006 14:04:23 GMT -6
Well...it comes down to, what have you done for me lately? GUARANTEED if all of the off-the-field stuff that happened to Miami this year happened back in '01 or '02, Coker wouldn't have lost his job. Thing is, when these guys are getting paid 7 figures a year to win games, it is not surprising when the AD pulls the trigger when things start to go south. You are exactly right, and I couldn't agree more. However, supporters of high school programs see this sort of thing and want to have the same expectations of me. If I got paid 7 figures I might be able to stand getting fired for wins, or lack thereof. But it is frustrating when all you have to play is what momma sends you. Heck, I ought to be the one complaining to momma instead of vice versa! I just finished a 5-7 season. I am not satisfied, but I was told by the outgoing head coach that I shuold think long and hard about this job b/c in 2006 we'd go 0-10. This is a group of seniors that won one game in middle school and one more as JV. We simply overachived, yet I was still called "the dumbest f-ing coach in the world" from the stands. Pay me FIVE figures and I might put up w/ that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2006 14:27:16 GMT -6
I want to say Chizik also has SEC experience--LSU, Auburn, or maybe both even?
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Post by baraboo99 on Nov 28, 2006 14:29:22 GMT -6
I have experience with this too... This season we lost our second game of the year 14-6, and at the next practice I was demoted from head coach. Now I don't want to put the blame on my players for the loss but really a lot of what happened was out of my control. Both of their scoring drives we 20 yards or less and we held them to less then 100 total yards. Offensively we had almost 300 but 5 turnovers.
The players were really upset with the managements decision and a couple of them even threatened to quit because they thought it was their fault I was "fired". But we swallowed our prides and went on to win-out the rest of the regular season. Then a week before our league championship game I was told by the management that the players thought I should "take a holiday" for the rest of the season...so now I was officially fired from the club that I built. The players didnt find out until after the game what really happened...many of them thought I just quit.
You know I was really bitter when all of this went down. It had just come down to the team president (and former HC) not liking my coaching style...say it was too american and not finnish enough. In Finland (he says) they only work on individual drills, skill drills. This makes finnish players pretty techinically sound but even the best teams can only run basic offenses and defenses and so when they go up against similar level teams they can never win. I tried to change this by implimenting a style of coaching that I learned from my playing days...with success. But 3 losses in 2 years was too many...
So I let my frustration stew inside of me until I looked at the numbers. I had built this team from 11-24 over 4 seasons to 13-3 in my two years. They scored around 11 points a game during that stretch while giving up over 22. In my two seasons the average score was 24-7 in our favor. I sent 6 players to the finnish junior national team (a big deal for a small low division team).
So the last two years have answered the question I have been asking myself since I started coaching...am I a good coach? Well I know now that the answer is YES, and I have what it takes to build a winner. To the management of any team I have coached on in the past...best of luck in the future and I hope you don't have to coach against me!
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Post by knight9299 on Nov 28, 2006 14:31:12 GMT -6
yet I was still called "the dumbest f-ing coach in the world" from the stands. Pay me FIVE figures and I might put up w/ that. Hold on now, I was called that from the stands. We both can't be the dumbest.  One of those knuckle head fans is wrong!  |
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Post by knighter on Nov 28, 2006 15:04:53 GMT -6
I third that, have heard it, or my wife has on several occasions. Dumbest Coach....
What does that say about the guys we beat though?
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Post by brophy on Nov 28, 2006 15:21:31 GMT -6
Don't forget Tommy Tubberville two years ago when they tried to get him fired during the season....but he went on to contend for a National Championship (but fell short) that year.
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Post by edwardslv on Nov 29, 2006 7:06:57 GMT -6
What does that say about the guys we beat though? Well, duh. That says that we had better PLAYERS. Had it not been for my poor coaching we would have won a heck of a lot more games this year. We had the talent. After all, remember what I said: when these kids were in middle school & JV they won a total of two games. It's the nature of the beast, I suppose. |
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Post by knighter on Nov 29, 2006 9:02:48 GMT -6
Good thing I have had good players for 7 years here, I must be like St St St STOOOOOOPID or something.
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Post by blb on Nov 29, 2006 9:13:48 GMT -6
My first year as a head coach I replaced a guy who had basically been run out - petitions in the stands, etc. It was ugly (or so I heard).
Third game my first year we're getting whacked by a really good team and a guy sitting in front of my wife says, "Well, I wonder how long THIS guy's contract is." Third game!
That was 1979. Think things have gotten better since then?
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The days of long term icons at a school like Paterno or Bowden are long gone and not coming back. (Like so many other things of the "good old days".) I hear people saying Schiano needs to stay at Rutgers. If he has a better offer at Miami, he'd be nuts to not take it. The minute Rutgers falls down, people will swarm like locust. It even started to happen a couple of years ago at Penn State. It was only a few years ago that a group of college profs/alumni at Rutgers were beating the drums about dropping to IAA. Colleges with revenue producing football programs are addicted to the money - they need it to pay for everything a college thinks it need to do.
One of those knuckle head fans is wrong! 