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Post by Coach JR on Apr 18, 2011 15:50:10 GMT -6
You've never paid money to go to a clinic? Ever been paid to speak at one? Never put on a camp and charged a fee? How are any of those things the same as selling something you got from somebody else as if it was your own? It depends on what you're talking about. Everybody selling a football book or DVD learned the bulk of what they're talking or writing about from someone else and other places, with a few exceptions maybe. There's nothing new in football under the sun for quite some time now. Everybody takes what they learn playing, and coming up coaching, uses what they can use, discards what they can't, and puts their own spin on it. If you've spoken at a clinic, and been paid to do it, or paid for the same, then you've sold something you didn't invent, or bought something that wasn't invented by the seller.
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 18, 2011 15:58:36 GMT -6
I would add, that if someone shares something with you for free, at your request, then you turn around and sell that as if it's yours, yes, that's an ethical problem. However, if it's not copyrighted, it's not illegal.
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Post by blb on Apr 18, 2011 16:00:30 GMT -6
lochness, other earlier posters, and I are talking about taking material written or produced by someone else and marketing it, not sharing knowledge gathered and assimilated into one's own system.
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Post by lochness on Apr 18, 2011 16:13:53 GMT -6
lochness, other earlier posters, and I are talking about taking material written or produced by someone else and marketing it, not sharing knowledge gathered and assimilated into one's own system. Precisely
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 18, 2011 16:34:17 GMT -6
lochness, other earlier posters, and I are talking about taking material written or produced by someone else and marketing it, not sharing knowledge gathered and assimilated into one's own system. And I agree, that's unethical. Can you cite a specific instance or offender?
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Post by blb on Apr 18, 2011 16:39:31 GMT -6
If you had read earlier replies on this thread you would have seen some examples of such unethical behavior.
Guilty conscience?
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 18, 2011 16:52:46 GMT -6
If you had read earlier replies on this thread you would have seen some examples of such unethical behavior. Guilty conscience? I read the posts, and saw some general examples of coaches "resharing" things that had been shared with them. If you don't want your stuff "reshared" then don't share it with others, like lochness' policy. It's pretty much that simple. If you produce something unique enough to be copyrighted, then by all means do so, and either sell it for fair market value, or don't let ANYONE have it and sue anyone that reproduces it without your permission. I saw one coach say he saw a Power Point or something he had produced that wound up being sold by someone else. No, my conscience is clear, how bout yours? Why do you even ask that?
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Post by blb on Apr 18, 2011 17:33:18 GMT -6
You didn't read very closely then.
In Replies #1, 2, 4, 7, 23, and 24, coaches alluded to having seen their stuff being marketed by someone else.
In a few others guys gave examples of seeing things they had shared floating around but not for sale.
You implied by your question that there is no evidence such practices take place.
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 18, 2011 18:04:03 GMT -6
You didn't read very closely then. In Replies #1, 2, 4, 7, 23, and 24, coaches alluded to having seen their stuff being marketed by someone else. In a few others guys gave examples of seeing things they had shared floating around but not for sale. You implied by your question that there is no evidence such practices take place. No, you may have taken it that way, but I never implied it. Some of the post you noted above said they'd seen stuff they had produced on the internet. NOT being sold. One (I'm not going to count the number of the post) specifically said he'd seen his stuff being sold by someone else. There may have been another. At any rate, you have a couple of choices. Copyright it before you release it, or don't release it. If you copyright it, then sue whoever reproduces it without permission. If you simply give away your hard work, somebody is liable to pick it up and profit from it. I don't condone that, but it's not illegal if it's not protected. I noted you said "if you get it from one person, it's stealing, if you get it from two it's research." If the one person gave it to you freely, it's not stealing. Not by any definition. Maybe I'm misreading your tone, that's easy to do on the net with anybody, but your "Guilty conscience?" crap was uncalled for. I am offering advice to the OP's question, and other posters comments and questions. Nothing more. There's a lot of legal nuances to all this discussion that is beyond my legal training and experience. But the bottom line is, if you don't want it made public for public consumption, don't give away your materials without protection.
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Post by champ93 on Apr 18, 2011 18:08:34 GMT -6
Years ago I worked in a bank as a loan officer. The bank attorney once told me to never say anything out loud that you do not want repeated. Once it leaves your mouth, you have lost control of it.
I think the same can be said about sharing playbooks or even posting anything on a website. Shoot, a player could scan your playbook and post it/sell it. It may suck, but there's not much you can do unless you license your materials. Even then you still have to follow through.
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Post by fantom on Apr 18, 2011 18:52:57 GMT -6
[quote author=auburn board=general thread=43101 post=442541 time=1303171443 There's a lot of legal nuances to all this discussion that is beyond my legal training and experience. But the bottom line is, if you don't want it made public for public consumption, don't give away your materials without protection. [/quote]
Which is why I hate the trading culture. It used to be a lot easier to get materials like cutups and playbooks from colleges. Now a lot won't send out anything and who can blame them?
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Post by oguru on Apr 18, 2011 19:12:53 GMT -6
Here is my question to all of this. How does the educational purposes come into copyrighted material? I might have copied your stuff for"educational purposes"
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 18, 2011 19:57:04 GMT -6
Here is my question to all of this. How does the educational purposes come into copyrighted material? I might have copied your stuff for"educational purposes" Again, copyright law is a specialty, but generally there are some exceptions for things to be reproduced and used in classroom/educational settings for educational purposes.
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