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Post by coachcb on Jan 4, 2011 16:20:44 GMT -6
We just got through our all conference selections and I am friggin fuming. I only nominated two guys from our squad; both of our guards. One was All-Conference last year but I struggled to even nominate him because he didn't play to his potential and caused problems. He missed out on another nod this year (by one vote) because he took some cheap shots. I acknowledge that and completely understand.
However, our other guy is our Quick Guard and he is arguably one of the best OL in the conference. And, that's not a biased opinion. He is an excellent guard and just a great athlete in general. He's an All-State 100-200 meter guy and did a fantastic job for us this year. He didn't even get a single vote even though he out performed our other guard in every way and played clean games. Between 1st team, 2nd team, and at-large selections, you're looking at around 6 guards getting nods and he fell into that pool, easily.
We went 0-8 this year; it was a tough one. I understand that losing like that is going to keep skew the votes a bit but I found this whole deal ridiculous. I can't believe that he didn't get a single vote, especially given that our other guard missed an All-Conference selection by one vote and he not only didn't perform this year, he cost us a friggin' game because of cheap shots.
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Post by blb on Jan 4, 2011 16:34:51 GMT -6
Conjecture; Other coaches considered your returning All-League player the better of the two because of his previous award.
When you nominate two players at the same position off an 0-8 team, the "second best" has no chance.
We do not nominate players who have bad attitudes or been discipline problems for all-league or all-star teams.
If you had nominated your "Quick Guard" alone it's possible he would have made 1st Team.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 4, 2011 16:45:22 GMT -6
Conjecture; Other coaches considered your returning All-League player the better of the two because of his previous award. When you nominate two players at the same position off an 0-8 team, the "second best" has no chance. We do not nominate players who have bad attitudes or been discipline problems for all-league or all-star teams. If you had nominated your "Quick Guard" alone it's possible he would have made 1st Team. That was kind of my thought too; I am regretting nominating him. He was never a discipline problem within the team but the cheap shots he took were unexcusable. He developed a reputation because of the two shots he took; he was looked down upon in the league. I guess I am just baffled that our Quick Guard didn't get a single vote while the other cat picked up four. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 4, 2011 16:52:08 GMT -6
well, if people want to beeatch about the 0-8 season you now have ammo ... "we got no players. even the other coaches don't want 'em." LOL
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 4, 2011 17:05:23 GMT -6
That's how it goes. Our all Division picks are structured. This isn't exact but you'll get the jist..
1st Place team - (4) 1st Team selections, (3) 2nd Team selections, (2) 3rd Team
2nd Place Team - (3) 1st Team selections, (2) 2nd Team selections, (1) 3rd Team
And so on......
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Post by coachsky on Jan 4, 2011 17:40:36 GMT -6
"To the victor goes the spoils"
We were actually on the other end of the spectrum this year. We were shocked that some of our kids got first and second team recognition. We won our division, which by rule, gave us the most nominations. The voting followed.
We had almost the same amount of selections as the past three years. This year we have one kid, our kicker, who is going to play college ball, maybe one other. We had way less talent this year than the past three years.
I have to give a lot of credit to the coaches in our league. They seem to respect the selection process and make an effort to make sure a deserving kid from a weaker team gets voted in. Truth is those kids almost stand out more than some quality kids on winning teams with some really special players.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 4, 2011 17:56:16 GMT -6
It was just an all-around {censored} show. When I pushed for my two guys, one coach made the comment that if a kid couldn't start for the top two teams then they shouldn't be nominated. Sounds reasoning, except for the fact that his squad went 3-5 and he pushed for half of his friggin guys. He sat over there and rolled his eyes at me every time I brought up our two guards. I have no idea what his deal was but I imagine he was the one vote that kept our kid off of the roster.
It really turned into a p-ssing match; every time he tossed out the name of one of their players, someone would counter with a kid from another team. IMO, it really messed things up for not only my guy, but for some other players that deserved the nod. It seemed to muddy the waters.
Just frustrated right now; I consistently pushed and voted for the kids that I felt were the best in the league. I didn't nominate half of the team andt sit there and petition for our guys the entire time.
I know laying a goose egg hurt us, but come on.
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Post by bleefb on Jan 5, 2011 0:15:46 GMT -6
Our system is also based on league finish, with a few at-large spots. I've been involved in both types of systems, and I feel this is the way to go. There's no room for arguing every little spot, and the meeting is short and sweet. Sometimes we get a little RB/LB heavy, but no system is perfect and this cuts the aggravation and fighting quotient WAY down.
As far as your guards, my experience has been that most opposing coaches don't really know your players that well, especially offensive linemen. Also, they aren't too willing to vote a spot to a winless team's players at the expense of one of their own. Finally, if they both play the same position like guard or ILB there's almost no chance.
My first coaching gig was in Little League when I was 18, so believe me when I say I've seen these things almost turn physical. In the long run, someone is always mad. I still have a parent who won't acknowledge me in public because his Junior son was "passed over" for a Senior on our team at the same position, and that was 7 years ago!
Don't dwell on it, and as far as the other coach, just beat him on the field next year!
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Post by coachcb on Jan 5, 2011 7:56:45 GMT -6
Our system is also based on league finish, with a few at-large spots. I've been involved in both types of systems, and I feel this is the way to go. There's no room for arguing every little spot, and the meeting is short and sweet. Sometimes we get a little RB/LB heavy, but no system is perfect and this cuts the aggravation and fighting quotient WAY down. As far as your guards, my experience has been that most opposing coaches don't really know your players that well, especially offensive linemen. [glow=red,2,300]Also, they aren't too willing to vote a spot to a winless team's players at the expense of one of their own. [/glow]Finally, if they both play the same position like guard or ILB there's almost no chance. My first coaching gig was in Little League when I was 18, so believe me when I say I've seen these things almost turn physical. In the long run, someone is always mad. I still have a parent who won't acknowledge me in public because his Junior son was "passed over" for a Senior on our team at the same position, and that was 7 years ago! Don't dwell on it, and as far as the other coach, just beat him on the field next year! The rest of the coaches were very good about being unbiased and not hammering us with their own kids. That was really the bright spot in the whole deal. And, yes, I could see how they'd ignore the OL. Most of the OL that got in were from the top two teams; it was just kind of automatic for them to get in. |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 5, 2011 9:10:43 GMT -6
well, if people want to beeatch about the 0-8 season you now have ammo ... "we got no players. even the other coaches don't want 'em." LOL LOL. Yeah, we have the opposite problem around here. Everyone whines about how terrible our players are and not the 0-8 record. "Man, coach, we ain't got no athletes, they's friggin awful; you're a saint for coaching football here.." (And NO, that is not my opinion. Figured I'd better that one off before the Football Ethics Committee jumped my a--) |
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Post by celtic on Jan 5, 2011 9:12:26 GMT -6
I agree with blb all the way. When we've had down years, we have had to be careful of who we nominate knowing that we'd only get a very limited number of slots. Seeing as how you only nominated those 2 guys, I'd have advocated for both to get in. Sounds like the reputation of the one kid wasn't all that bad since he got the nod.
Live and learn I guess. It's the worst when those meetings turn into huge pissing matches.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 5, 2011 10:45:02 GMT -6
I agree with blb all the way. When we've had down years, we have had to be careful of who we nominate knowing that we'd only get a very limited number of slots. Seeing as how you only nominated those 2 guys, I'd have advocated for both to get in. Sounds like the reputation of the one kid wasn't all that bad since he got the nod. Live and learn I guess. It's the worst when those meetings turn into huge pissing matches. He probably would have been voted in first team without those cheap shots. It has very little to do with his performance this year; it's about last year's nod and his size. He's 6'3'' 230 and he's not tubby; solid kid. We play 8-man football (very small schools) so big kids like that stand out on film. I mean, I was disappointed with him because of the cheap-shots and because he just didn't play to his potential in a lot of games. |
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Post by lochness on Jan 5, 2011 11:56:33 GMT -6
That's unfortunate coach.
We have a voting process for our All-State selections, but at the end of that process (which is done in person, with all the coaches in the room), the leader of the committee asks "does anyone feel strongly about a kid that got left off?" and typically, if a coach speaks up, that kid gets on the list.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 5, 2011 13:36:40 GMT -6
That's unfortunate coach. We have a voting process for our All-State selections, but at the end of that process (which is done in person, with all the coaches in the room), the leader of the committee asks "does anyone feel strongly about a kid that got left off?" and typically, if a coach speaks up, that kid gets on the list. Yeah, we don't have that procedure, but it didn't stop me from our Quick Guard up again at the end of the meeting. I pushed HARD for a lot of kids from other teams and I wasn't about to let our guy slip through the cracks lightly. Especially when that one particular coach pushed his QB on us for two hours because he was the "only true QB" in the league. |
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