Conditioning pre-requisite for contact?

Bob in our federation the conditioning rule is worse than the one you posted, the crybabies(lawyers) have even added some BS about if a kid misses so many days (hours) of full contact practice he has to go back and redo his conditioning hours all over before you can let him back in a practice with contact, our rules are so dumb that a kid can not even have contact with a dummy or do sled work without his conditioning hours, this is what happens when lawyers rule the world along with insurance co. Jon

Bob

I think what they meant is take 7 minutes for your halftime regiment and then 3 minutes of warm up prior to the second half KO. Not sure why they addressed the clock?

Most youth orgs write their own rules so some read as if written by a Kindergartner.

Mandatory conditioning periods are fairly common. Typically it has nothing to do with insurance. I checked. Ours mirror the HS format, which is two practice sessions out of pads after August 1st. Don’t know why that is the way it is but that’s what our youth league follows. Maybe insurance?

I too coached in Phoenix about 10 years ago. Its all about the heat for sure and something you don’t mess around with.

Coach Mike

Central Calif. coast shouldn't be too steamy, but that's not the point. You can't condition yourself effectively in that short a time anyway. Those 5 practices could occur over as little as a week, from what I've read by one Calif. youth football coach. Reminds me of The Forever War by Joe Haldeman, in which "typical Army half logic" was illustrated by having soldiers sent to the Arctic to condition themselves for maneuvers on a moon of Pluto, where they'd be comfortable in space suits and instantly dead outside them.

You can get a little short term conditioning as an adult if you spend half an hour to an hour a day on it 5-6 days a week with sprints and other runs for 6 weeks. I know because I did it 20+ yrs. ago. If you could do this with children and the time for it were absolutely free, i.e. taking nothing away from the rest of practice, I predict it would improve your team's performance in their opening game less than the improvement you'd get by practicing a few minutes a couple of times holding a stance to avoid a false start or illegal motion or shift. And then to maintain that conditioning, they'd have to keep up those sprints on that schedule until 2 or maybe 3 weeks before their final game. And that's only if children would benefit physiologically from it as much as an adult, which I have some doubt about.

Not only that, but you can do some contact work -- dare I mention it -- without pads. If your practice starts before the players obtain gear, you can still do sumo drills, and you can walk thru steps that end in contact to show them what body parts are to be aimed at which other body parts. So there goes that excuse for keeping them from contact before conditioning.

The mandatory 3 min warm up after half time is right out of the NFHS 2010 rulebook,page 39,rule 3-2,table 3-1...Didn't know you guys were into laughing at High School rules...As for the heat, Aug.in Atascadero/Paso Robles area is normally in the 90's to low 100's,everyday...We do put them in helmets from the 1st day,but it's true we require 10 hrs of conditioning,(helmet only), before giving players the rest of their equipment...We do a lot of clinic type stuff,not just conditioning...I use some stuff from Coach Cisar,(Towel drill,and Deer Hunter),and from Coach Wyatt's,"Practice Without Pads",It's 5 days...It has nothing to do with Insurance,it's what we've always done...I also checked the CIF Southern Section rules and they require 3 days in helmets only before the 1st fall practice...Our games are usually about 2 hrs...All youth rulebooks are different,heck,I've seen leagues with weight limits as low as 165lbs for 8th graders,now there's something to laugh at...If you guys want,you can post the links to your youth league rules,so I can compare...Maybe I can find something to help in ours...Rule changes are in January... Kurt

No it says,"a three minute warm-up period posted on the clock and the clock will be started for use by the coaches immediately after the halftime intermission expires",what we mean by "stopped clock" goes back to the 1st part about 10 min qtrs meaning no running clock like some youth leagues have due to time constraints...

I agree there is a lot that is not necessary in our rules,I think it's due to changes in board members,and rules being added without taking out old ones that don't apply...CCYFL goes back to 1971,I've been involved since 1999,and when I submit a rule change proposal I go through the book to eliminate any repeats or confusing language pertaining to that subject...Does your organization have a rulebook? I'd like to see it,maybe get some ideas from it...

I'm not sure what you just said 33coach.......but I feel like I just learned "something", lol

If it does, I haven't seen it. I think somebody said they used to have some material online that was taken offline when they moved to eteamz.

It seems few people these days know how to convey factual material in writing. I struggled reading my college students' papers, and they were mostly adults returning to school. I put this up -- users.bestweb.net/~robgood/teach/term paper tips.html -- to help them. Don't laugh at how "duh" some of the instructions are; I frequently got homeworks, tests, even term papers with no student's name on them, for instance. But even over the years I was teaching, writing deteriorated to the point students completely lost confidence in their ability to write, and plagiarism took over. So I stopped assigning such writings and switched to oral presentations.

When it comes to football, the worst technical writing I ever saw was the first rule book the Independent Women's Football League wrote. Most minor leagues don't write their own rules but just refer to those of a major governing body and specify certain exceptions; the IWFL did likewise until, apparently as a prestige thing (maybe competition with the WPFL, who got the USFA to write rules for them), they decided to produce their own rule book. Nobody could possibly officiate based on it. Anything you could imagine that would make it bad was there. I heard the second one they produced was a lot better.

It should be relatively easy to come up with rules & regulations (although maybe not bylaws) for an organiz'n like the Warriors, because our competition was very controlled. All practice sessions in a division (class) were held in the same place at the same time, with no outside practices allowed, so rules weren't necessary to control them. I guess even there some rulings were needed, as when we were allowed another practice session on weeks when we had a bye. Players were drafted, so the administrators could be flexible about division eligibility. Even there, though, there were rules about retention of players and other exceptions drafting them as individuals, and this year one team lost their 1st round draft pick as a penalty for having a ringer the year before. The rules must give the administrators a lot of leeway, because they have to decide on the basis of registration and eligibility how many teams to form that season, which can result, as it did this year in our division, in a team's being disbanded. Plus, the administrators assign the assistant coaches to teams.

Dictating a lot like that from on high wouldn't work for, say, the Big Apple Youth Football League (AYF affiliate), which was a circuit the club where I coached in 2007 had entries in. OTOH, the club where I abortively coached in 2008 was going to form their own league, so maybe they could get away with that sort of thing -- for a while!