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Post by rocketcoach on Dec 14, 2010 10:26:35 GMT -6
Are you a coach that looks for the perennial losing program, comes in, turns it around and move on the the next challenge. I have heard of coaches like this.
For those of you that have come in and turned around programs(whether you stayed or left), how did you do it, what did you look for in a program to turn around?
Maybe this is the football version of a mid-life crisis but I'm in a spot right now where we are successful and should be that way for the next 10 years or so. In my career I have never gone to a spot where it was bad and turned it around. I am curious as to what it would be like, how it could be done, could it be done? I guess looking for a new challenge. I can stay here, be comfortable, experience success, but have often thought about just heading out, especially in another part of the country; south east, penn/ohio, texas, midwest small town, etc. Somewhere I haven't experienced before and give it a shot. Do I just need a slap in the face to wake up and stay here?
Any thoughts?
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Post by silkyice on Dec 14, 2010 10:46:35 GMT -6
SLAP!
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 14, 2010 10:48:00 GMT -6
IMO I would never just pack up and move to a different part of the country to coach high school football if I already had a job and was successful at it where i was.
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Post by unc31 on Dec 14, 2010 10:53:46 GMT -6
Hey, you just described my coaching career,lol. It all starts with the mindset. Much of it is is psychological. When I go into these programs I do not talk to the kids in vague terms with statements about winning seasons, getting better, blah, blah,blah. I talk to them in terms of winning championships.
How we train in and out of season directly affects the way we play. To me the order of importance in turning around a program, regardless of talent levels when you get there is:
1- Faith in God to give you wisdom 2-Great strength and speed program 3-TEACH your players how to be smart and intelligent about the game 4-Strive for perfection in everything, never compromise even a little bit 5-Demand excellence everyday from yourself, staff and players 6-Put the kids in a system that they can realistically execute 7-Be fundamentally and technically sound at all times and emphasize these aspects daily 8-Be great in preparation for both practice and games 9-Be a master at in-game adjustments. This will give your players confidence in you and the program. 10-Treat the players like your own children. Love them and let them know it, but be tough. They don't need another pal. They need someone to show them how to be a man.
I have yet to win a State Championship but on 2 occasions I have taken teams to the State Semifinals in the first year there. One of those teams won 4 games in the previous 5 years and the other one was 1-29 over the previous three years. On two other occasions I have taken teams to the Semi's within 3 years. I am not saying this to brag, but to say that turning around losing programs is very possible. It is not about the coach being brilliant, it is about the leadership to pull the best out of the players. The players are the ones who do it. There are many other success stories along the way, but the ones I mentioned are the most drastic.
I have been offered some really good jobs where you can just add water and win championships, but that is just not the type of job I want. Maybe at some point I will but for now I like the other underdog challenge.
I simply like giving the underdog a chance for success and I have been blessed in doing so. I have never taken a job or left a job because of the talent there or the lack of talent there. If you know how to get the best out of the kids, wins will come.
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Post by blb on Dec 14, 2010 11:13:57 GMT -6
Every head job I've been fortunate enough to get needed rebuilding to one degree or in one way or another.
I think this is probably because they couldn't get somebody good and had to settle for me - only jobs I could get.
Last fall took over a team that had won six games previous three seasons (1-8 in '09). Lost returning starting QB and Center in Pre-Season.
We went 6-4, finished tied for second in our division after being predicted for seventh.
Week Two we came from behind in 4th Quarter to beat defending champion. Week Four we defeated a rival school hadn't beaten since 1994. Week Eight we came from behind in 4th Quarter to beat biggest school in league whom we hadn't defeated since 1989. Week Nine we came from behind in 4th Quarter to beat a playoff team to qualify ourselves.
Rather than try to tell you how we did this (good kids who just needed some direction), let me give you this advice:
If you have a job where you have a chance to compete and be successful year in and year out, keep it. I wish I could get a "good job" rather than having to take "bad jobs" and try to make them good ones.
If a job is bad, it's bad for a reason, probably several. And you may not be able to solve all the problems that exist, regardless of how good you are. It takes a lot of time and energy.
There are more good football coaches than there are good football programs, and some can't be fixed.
And if you stay in one place long enough, sooner or later you will have to rebuild your own program anyway.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 14, 2010 11:25:19 GMT -6
I know Dave Cisar was looking for the worst team/program in the country at one point, just for the thrill of turning it around.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Dec 14, 2010 12:10:48 GMT -6
Quality of life and assurance of a paycheck - 2 things i always think about when looking for a job....
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 15:01:17 GMT -6
1- Faith in God to give you wisdom 2-Great strength and speed program 3-TEACH your players how to be smart and intelligent about the game 4-Strive for perfection in everything, never compromise even a little bit 5-Demand excellence everyday from yourself, staff and players 6-Put the kids in a system that they can realistically execute 7-Be fundamentally and technically sound at all times and emphasize these aspects daily 8-Be great in preparation for both practice and games 9-Be a master at in-game adjustments. This will give your players confidence in you and the program. 10-Treat the players like your own children. Love them and let them know it, but be tough. They don't need another pal. They need someone to show them how to be a man. Very interesting list Coach. I've seen similar lists and would categorize this within the philosophical realm. I'm most interested in, however, the order of these "program building priorities." Congratulations on all of the success you've had, past and present, building up struggling programs. This is motivating for me because I'm currently building up a struggling program as well. Thanks Coach.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 15:29:01 GMT -6
Every head job I've been fortunate enough to get needed rebuilding to one degree or in one way or another. I think this is probably because they couldn't get somebody good and had to settle for me - only jobs I could get. Last fall took over a team that had won six games previous three seasons (1-8 in '09). Lost returning starting QB and Center in Pre-Season. We went 6-4, finished tied for second in our division after being predicted for seventh. Week Two we came from behind in 4th Quarter to beat defending champion. Week Four we defeated a rival school hadn't beaten since 1994. Week Eight we came from behind in 4th Quarter to beat biggest school in league whom we hadn't defeated since 1989. Week Nine we came from behind in 4th Quarter to beat a playoff team to qualify ourselves. Congratulations on all of this Coach. I'll have to PM you some time to ask you what school this was. Then I can look it up on www.michigan-football.com and really appreciate what you've helped the school to do. If a job is bad, it's bad for a reason, probably several. And you may not be able to solve all the problems that exist, regardless of how good you are. It takes a lot of time and energy. I suppose I've grown to understand this. The struggles we face as a program are mostly a result of challenges the community faces as a whole. These are community issues, I as a football coach, know I cannot change. Now that being said, we will not be deterred from trying to get this program turned around. But it does help to understand what you're up against. There will be more positives that happen with our football program "in spite of" not "because of" our community. There are more good football coaches than there are good football programs, and some can't be fixed. Interesting. This gets me thinking. I hope where I'm currently at, better sooner than later, I can become one of the good football coaches in a place that has a program that can be fixed.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 16:08:26 GMT -6
Now I'm no habitual program builder by any means. Matter of fact, this is my first rodeo and I constantly try to assess if we are heading in the right direction and steadily building. Here's some background:
I took over our current program in 2007. In the previous 30 years, it had a cumulative record of 80-193 (.293 win percentage) and only 4 winning seasons. Two of those winning seasons were 5-4 records. The other two winning seasons were the only two post season appearances in school history dating back to 1955. During the 5 years prior to me taking over, the program had a cumulative record of 5-40 (.111 win percentage) under 3 different head coaches.
In 2006, the year before I took over, the varsity football season was cancelled after 4 games due to numbers and safety issues. The team gave up 40+ points per game and got shutout in all four games played. Due to the cancellation, the 2006 season was heavily scrutinized by local, state, and national media coverage the likes of which I have never seen. This program was by no means a storied football program and the town itself presents huge cultural challenges to creating an environment centered on success especially from a football perspective.
As stated earlier, I inherited the program in 2007. Thank goodness we finished the entire season but unfortunately we went 0-9. In 2008, we came very close in two of our games losing by 5 and 8 points. We won our season finale 40-12 against a team that finished 3-6. That win allowed us to finish 1-7 and snapped a 28-game losing streak.
Last season, 2009, we went 4-5 and finished with 4 or more wins for the first time since 2000. The issue with the 2009 season was that in our five losses we were outscored 192-22. In three of those losses we were shutout. The point I'm trying to make is that we weren't even close in the games we lost.
This season, 2010, we finished 4-5 and had consecutive seasons with 4 or more wins for the first time since 2000. This year we lost 3 games by a combined 22 points (one by 2, one by 6, and one by 14). Our record was exactly the same the last two years. The difference is, however, we were much closer to only the 5th winning season for the program since 1977.
We are a small school (420 students) in a small, rural community in a county with 19% unemployment and a state that has the highest unemployment in the nation. 69% of our students qualify for free or reduced lunches which means they live below the poverty line. The community and school environments combined with a football history that consists of 4 winning seasons since 1977 have made this building process extremely challenging.
BOTTOM LINE...We're not even where we want to be yet. But I couldn't imagine, at this point, starting over with a new building project. Like blb said, "If you have a job where you have a chance to compete and be successful year in and year out, keep it." That's the type of situation we're trying to create here.
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Post by airman on Dec 14, 2010 16:48:55 GMT -6
the old ball coach ( steve spurrier) says a coach should move to a new program every 10 to 12 years because it is about that time you become complacent.
I am a mover. I like the challenge of a new program which his down in the dumps. I like to bring pride to a town which has not see it in awhile.
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Post by dubber on Dec 14, 2010 17:07:06 GMT -6
Are you a coach that looks for the perennial losing program, comes in, turns it around and move on the the next challenge. I have heard of coaches like this. For those of you that have come in and turned around programs(whether you stayed or left), how did you do it, what did you look for in a program to turn around? Maybe this is the football version of a mid-life crisis but I'm in a spot right now where we are successful and should be that way for the next 10 years or so. In my career I have never gone to a spot where it was bad and turned it around. I am curious as to what it would be like, how it could be done, could it be done? I guess looking for a new challenge. I can stay here, be comfortable, experience success, but have often thought about just heading out, especially in another part of the country; south east, penn/ohio, texas, midwest small town, etc. Somewhere I haven't experienced before and give it a shot. Do I just need a slap in the face to wake up and stay here? Any thoughts? So, you guys are winning state championships every year?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 7:11:22 GMT -6
What do you look for in a rebuilder? What do you stray from? Are there some of you who think you can win no matter where you go, or are there places that just can't win?
I think there are a lot of factors you must consider in rebuilding that are out of your control. The first being administration. My only HC gig was a rebuilder. The team had gone 4-36 in 4 the 4 previous seasons, had had 22 diff. head coaches in a span of 30 years when I got there. The admin. was new, and energetic, they let me do what I wanted to and in our first year we were 6-4 and just missed the playoffs (after going 1-9 the year before). After that we never had a losing season, and in 6 years there I took the team to 4 playoff appearences, however never getting farther than the 2nd round. Admin. got greedy thought they could do better, and got rid of me, after we went 7-4 losing in the 1st round of the playoffs. During the 6 years though, the admin. worked very diligently with me to change the mindset of the community and the kids. Admin. is a very big part of where I will coach in the future.
Next is talent. You cannot control this, no matter how hard you try. I'm at a place now that since 1965 they are 137-311, and I played here in high school. We were good then, and in 45 yrs. of football the 3 yrs. I played are the ONLY 3 years we went to the state playoffs. Several 0-10 seasons. There is no talent here whatsoever. At my last gig there was, the previous admin. just didn't allow the coaches to do what they needed to be successful.
Those 2 things are paramount to me. I beleive there are places you cannot win, no matter what you do, be it the community, the admin. or the kids. I think you have to take all this into consideration when looking into rebuilding a program. Sorry to sound negative, but I've been down both roads, the road less traveled ain't always the best one.
Duece
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Post by pfeifferjoshua on Dec 15, 2010 7:25:17 GMT -6
What do you look for in a rebuilder? What do you stray from? Are there some of you who think you can win no matter where you go, or are there places that just can't win? I think there are a lot of factors you must consider in rebuilding that are out of your control. The first being administration. My only HC gig was a rebuilder. The team had gone 4-36 in 4 the 4 previous seasons, had had 22 diff. head coaches in a span of 30 years when I got there. The admin. was new, and energetic, they let me do what I wanted to and in our first year we were 6-4 and just missed the playoffs (after going 1-9 the year before). After that we never had a losing season, and in 6 years there I took the team to 4 playoff appearences, however never getting farther than the 2nd round. Admin. got greedy thought they could do better, and got rid of me, after we went 7-4 losing in the 1st round of the playoffs. During the 6 years though, the admin. worked very diligently with me to change the mindset of the community and the kids. Admin. is a very big part of where I will coach in the future. Next is talent. You cannot control this, no matter how hard you try. I'm at a place now that since 1965 they are 137-311, and I played here in high school. We were good then, and in 45 yrs. of football the 3 yrs. I played are the ONLY 3 years we went to the state playoffs. Several 0-10 seasons. There is no talent here whatsoever. At my last gig there was, the previous admin. just didn't allow the coaches to do what they needed to be successful. Those 2 things are paramount to me. I beleive there are places you cannot win, no matter what you do, be it the community, the admin. or the kids. I think you have to take all this into consideration when looking into rebuilding a program. Sorry to sound negative, but I've been down both roads, the road less traveled ain't always the best one. Duece You make a good point and I agree with you. However, I would like to know how you find out about the administration, the talent available, and the community before you take the job? It seems to me that some of these are things that are tough to know about until you take the job.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 15, 2010 7:32:08 GMT -6
What do you look for in a rebuilder? What do you stray from? Are there some of you who think you can win no matter where you go, or are there places that just can't win? I think there are a lot of factors you must consider in rebuilding that are out of your control. The first being administration. My only HC gig was a rebuilder. The team had gone 4-36 in 4 the 4 previous seasons, had had 22 diff. head coaches in a span of 30 years when I got there. The admin. was new, and energetic, they let me do what I wanted to and in our first year we were 6-4 and just missed the playoffs (after going 1-9 the year before). After that we never had a losing season, and in 6 years there I took the team to 4 playoff appearences, however never getting farther than the 2nd round. Admin. got greedy thought they could do better, and got rid of me, after we went 7-4 losing in the 1st round of the playoffs. During the 6 years though, the admin. worked very diligently with me to change the mindset of the community and the kids. Admin. is a very big part of where I will coach in the future. Next is talent. You cannot control this, no matter how hard you try. I'm at a place now that since 1965 they are 137-311, and I played here in high school. We were good then, and in 45 yrs. of football the 3 yrs. I played are the ONLY 3 years we went to the state playoffs. Several 0-10 seasons. There is no talent here whatsoever. At my last gig there was, the previous admin. just didn't allow the coaches to do what they needed to be successful. Those 2 things are paramount to me. I beleive there are places you cannot win, no matter what you do, be it the community, the admin. or the kids. I think you have to take all this into consideration when looking into rebuilding a program. Sorry to sound negative, but I've been down both roads, the road less traveled ain't always the best one. Duece Great post Duece.
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Post by blb on Dec 15, 2010 7:51:53 GMT -6
I would like to know how you find out about the administration, the talent available, and the community before you take the job? It seems to me that some of these are things that are tough to know about until you take the job. Before you interview for a job, you should know as much about it as possible - research it. Talk to anyone you know who is familiar with the situation. Coaches who have competed against the school. The outgoing coach. Visit the community, stop in a restaurant, gas station, barber shop, and talk to the locals. Drive by the facilities. Read their local paper on line. Ask administrators you know who may be familiar with the school-district what they know about it and its leaders. I would not accept a positioon without knowing at least as much about it as they know about me. Now, that said - after I finally get retired for good - the title of the book I'm going to write is The Things They Tell You After You Take the Job.
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Post by rocketcoach on Dec 15, 2010 15:25:14 GMT -6
Are you a coach that looks for the perennial losing program, comes in, turns it around and move on the the next challenge. I have heard of coaches like this. For those of you that have come in and turned around programs(whether you stayed or left), how did you do it, what did you look for in a program to turn around? Maybe this is the football version of a mid-life crisis but I'm in a spot right now where we are successful and should be that way for the next 10 years or so. In my career I have never gone to a spot where it was bad and turned it around. I am curious as to what it would be like, how it could be done, could it be done? I guess looking for a new challenge. I can stay here, be comfortable, experience success, but have often thought about just heading out, especially in another part of the country; south east, penn/ohio, texas, midwest small town, etc. Somewhere I haven't experienced before and give it a shot. Do I just need a slap in the face to wake up and stay here? Any thoughts? So, you guys are winning state championships every year? Gentlemen, thanks for the input. Keep it coming, it has been great! Silkyice-Thanks for the slap! unc31-Thanks for the list, great stuff! airman-Thanks for the Spurrier comment, that may be where I am at right now. Maybe not complacent but just looking for another challenge, a spark(maybe that's the definition of complacency!) dubber- not every year but 3 state tiles in less than a decade, state playoffs 10 of past 11 seasons. A lot I'm sorting through in this whole thing. That's why I mentioned it seems like a bit of a football-midlife crisis. Questions/thoughts/psychological rant... 1. Been in the city for a while now, maybe want to be in a small town, like airman said...the challenge and bringing pride to a community that hasn't experienced it...if I can do it in spite of all the other obstacles raised by others in this post. 2. We are rolling now and all I have to do is maintain. I fundamentally don't believe I am wired to do that. I'd rather build than maintain. 3. Maybe the complacency is more in the community than in me and I don't like that. Kids, parents, community doesn't get excited anymore unless it's a semi-final or championship game. What's the excitement level for a community that hasn't made the play-offs in 15 years and now has a chance, or a first time play-off win, or final four appearance? 4. To challenge myself as a coach...can I do this somewhere else? 5. The downside of a move...RISK, RISK, RISK!! This whole thing is more than a win or a loss or a state trophy. It's an internal struggle.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 15, 2010 16:08:40 GMT -6
Now, that said - after I finally get retired for good - the title of the book I'm going to write is The Things They Tell You After You Take the Job. I can see it all ready Coach...NY Times Bestseller!
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Post by coachwwharrell on Dec 20, 2010 15:21:48 GMT -6
I would like to know how you find out about the administration, the talent available, and the community before you take the job? It seems to me that some of these are things that are tough to know about until you take the job. Before you interview for a job, you should know as much about it as possible - research it. Talk to anyone you know who is familiar with the situation. Coaches who have competed against the school. The outgoing coach. Visit the community, stop in a restaurant, gas station, barber shop, and talk to the locals. Drive by the facilities. Read their local paper on line. Ask administrators you know who may be familiar with the school-district what they know about it and its leaders. I would not accept a positioon without knowing at least as much about it as they know about me. Now, that said - after I finally get retired for good - the title of the book I'm going to write is The Things They Tell You After You Take the Job. Someone needs to write a book like that. It could be a HUGE resource of knowledge and wisdom for anyone aspiring to be a HC someday.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 20, 2010 15:38:32 GMT -6
not habitual but i did do it this year.
Coached 4 years at alma mater, went 0-10 junior year, 1-9 senior year. Got better every year i coached, finished 5-5 then 6-4 and made playoffs for first time in school history, had everything coming back for a great year but coaching staff was disbanded and left, players, transfered and that place went back to nothing.
When i chose my new school i had plenty of opportunities to go to an established winning place, one place i almost chose actual won it all here, i coulda gotten a ring lol. But i chose to go to a rebuilding place, best pick for me in the long run and there's something about turning a place around that intrigues me
I think anyone can take over a place that has been rolling, step in and just keep it going more or less. A really good coach or staff can come in to a crappy place and turn things around.
De La Salle is such a machine now that i think just about anyone (with reasonable knowledge of football) could step in and they would still roll teams, they are just that much better than everyone else. They BLEW OUT the other team in the state championship game who was ranked #4 nationally. BLEW THEM OUT, it was never a game.
I think the DLS staff is good, but i would love to see Lad retire from DLS one day and see if he could go to a crappy school perennial 1-9 school around here and turn it around. Some places are so horribly run, from the admin to the district to the AD to coaches that i do not think anyone or anything can turn things around, short of blowing up the school and starting over
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Post by coachk98 on Dec 20, 2010 15:50:48 GMT -6
When Lad took over DLS it WAS a crappy program.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 20, 2010 15:57:51 GMT -6
When Lad took over DLS it WAS a crappy program. But it was a private school... Private schools (idk about the whole country but here in CA) have so many more advantages. Unlimited money, recuiting, everything. I honestly feel CA needs sperate public and private divisions for playoffs, the private schools get awayw ith murder. Lad himself never recruits, but i swear to god, i have watched DLS booster, and alumni, walk onto the campus i used to coach at (same city as DLS) and pull our 3-4 best freshman players out of class, and try to recruit them to come over to DLS. Ive watched it happen, and it took everything not to start swinging as they attempt to rape our best 9th grade talent. Ive had friends that i went to middle and elementary school with, guys who are stud athletes, get plucked away by DLS alumni or boosters or parents, and talked into enrolling abandoning their friends, and going to DLS.
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Post by creid on Dec 21, 2010 7:44:36 GMT -6
Phoebus in VA was a terrible job from when the school opened until the mid to late 80's. Small enrollment, 4th high school in city (there may have been 5 at that time...not sure), the best athletes were fleeing to go to the other schools (especially Hampton which was reeling off championships), poor community support, stands were empty, nobody thought that anyone could win there. They seem to be a fairly respectable team now. (I did not coach there, but was at another school in the district, who had only 5 or 6 winning seasons in 30 years, we had 3 the four years that I was the line coach and we had the only playoff appearance in school history.)
My last job was at a small school that actually had to cancel the 2000 season because there weren't enough players to get through the season. We came in a couple of years after the shut down and went 26-6 in my four years there (as was stated in another post, talent is a big part of it...so is player development...we had a bunch of good athletes that were not football first kids, but because of the positive environment we create, we have a kids in each of the following conferences, ACC, PAC 10, SEC, and Big East, none of whom were football first guys when they started in the program...my current school had been 11-71 in the previous ten years and were were able to move to 4-4 this past year (year 2 of the overhaul), again talent wise, we are moving in the right direction, 4 Ivy guys in the last two years, I would like some of those big time guys to start developing though!. Schools can be turned around, but there does need to be administrative support, not sure if community support is all that important, I would think that communities will support a winner, it may be easier to have empty stands...my wife liked it better at my jobs when nobody cared, because she didn't have to listen to anybody in the stands complain about me...she was the only one in the stands!
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 21, 2010 16:37:51 GMT -6
They seem to be a fairly respectable team now. Yeah, the Pope is fairly holy, too...
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Post by creid on Dec 22, 2010 6:17:56 GMT -6
The fairly respectable comment was sarcasm....they are one of the elite programs in the nation, year after year....as a practicing Catholic, the Pope should get the church in order, starting with prosecuting the criminal priests that covered up the scandal, but don’t get me started on that rant.
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Post by amthd45 on Dec 24, 2010 10:59:59 GMT -6
Well all of us have different "callings" in this coaching profession. Some of us love the underdog role, others do not. Personally one of my strengths is building something which is cast aside and looked at as hopeless. There are other coaches like this. It is risky for sure to just pick up and move to a bad situation. But I equate it to people who are missionaries. Not everyone is called to venture to far off places to spread the Good News. Some are called to do it in their backyard. I once worked at a school where all staff and students had to take a test called the "Strengths Finder". And it was a series of questions which by the end of the test gave you and inventory of what your strengths and personality traits were. It listed 34 diffferent attributes in order according to your results. But long story short, my strengths finder attributes showed that I was the type of person who likes to take something from nothing, and build it up. Thus I have been in my career as a traveling coach who goes to programs that are down, and helps rebuild them. Check out this link to see what i am talking about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now,_Discover_Your_Strengths So be proud of what you are and what you were created to be. I envy those coaches who stay at the same job for 30+ years, i really do. But i dont see myself ever settling down in one place too long." I was born a rambler and a wrangler and I guess I always will!"
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 24, 2010 13:47:05 GMT -6
So, you guys are winning state championships every year? Gentlemen, thanks for the input. Keep it coming, it has been great! Silkyice-Thanks for the slap! unc31-Thanks for the list, great stuff! airman-Thanks for the Spurrier comment, that may be where I am at right now. Maybe not complacent but just looking for another challenge, a spark(maybe that's the definition of complacency!) dubber- not every year but 3 state tiles in less than a decade, state playoffs 10 of past 11 seasons. A lot I'm sorting through in this whole thing. That's why I mentioned it seems like a bit of a football-midlife crisis. Questions/thoughts/psychological rant... 1. Been in the city for a while now, maybe want to be in a small town, like airman said...the challenge and bringing pride to a community that hasn't experienced it...if I can do it in spite of all the other obstacles raised by others in this post. 2. We are rolling now and all I have to do is maintain. I fundamentally don't believe I am wired to do that. I'd rather build than maintain. 3. Maybe the complacency is more in the community than in me and I don't like that. Kids, parents, community doesn't get excited anymore unless it's a semi-final or championship game. What's the excitement level for a community that hasn't made the play-offs in 15 years and now has a chance, or a first time play-off win, or final four appearance? 4. To challenge myself as a coach...can I do this somewhere else? 5. The downside of a move...RISK, RISK, RISK!! This whole thing is more than a win or a loss or a state trophy. It's an internal struggle. Most men lead lives of quiet desperation--Thoreau..when I first read this quote it really resonated with me...I have never lived in one place for more than 7 years..i don't know..maybe I get itchy but if you feel the need to move I would highly consider it..I don't want to live my life with woulda and shoulda's...If that's what is in your soul go for it.....as for negatives well, my first thought is do you have a wife and kids...are they on board? I am 50 and really don't have the years in for retirement but I still wouldn't change, just now having an argument w/ my wife because we've been here for 5 years and I am ready to move again
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Post by blb on Dec 24, 2010 14:07:45 GMT -6
Most men lead lives of quiet desperation--Thoreau..when I first read this quote it really resonated with me...I have never lived in one place for more than 7 years..i don't know..maybe I get itchy but if you feel the need to move I would highly consider it..I don't want to live my life with woulda and shoulda's...If that's what is in your soul go for it.....as for negatives well, my first thought is do you have a wife and kids...are they on board? I am 50 and really don't have the years in for retirement but I still wouldn't change, just now having an argument w/ my wife because we've been here for 5 years and I am ready to move again Coach Gordon makes some good points. My career reads like his - have been an assistant at two high schools, two colleges (one of them twice), head coach at six HS. So we've moved a lot. But every time we did it was for a good reason, and I have wonderfully supportive wife. When I was young I felt I would have more sense of accomplishment by taking unsuccessful program(s) and turning it around, which I have been able to do. Now, from the vantage point of nearing the end of my career, I think I would've been satisfied, maybe even happier, to remain in one place and maintain a winning program.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 24, 2010 15:21:19 GMT -6
Most men lead lives of quiet desperation--Thoreau..when I first read this quote it really resonated with me...I have never lived in one place for more than 7 years..i don't know..maybe I get itchy but if you feel the need to move I would highly consider it..I don't want to live my life with woulda and shoulda's...If that's what is in your soul go for it.....as for negatives well, my first thought is do you have a wife and kids...are they on board? I am 50 and really don't have the years in for retirement but I still wouldn't change, just now having an argument w/ my wife because we've been here for 5 years and I am ready to move again Coach Gordon makes some good points. My career reads like his - have been an assistant at two high schools, two colleges (one of them twice), head coach at six HS. So we've moved a lot. But every time we did it was for a good reason, and I have wonderfully supportive wife. When I was young I felt I would have more sense of accomplishment by taking unsuccessful program(s) and turning it around, which I have been able to do. Now, from the vantage point of nearing the end of my career, I think I would've been satisfied, maybe even happier, to remain in one place and maintain a winning program. Coach, PM me about the two colleges you coached at. That's really neat. Sounds like you'll need to make Husky town your last stop.
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