kakavian
Sophomore Member
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Post by kakavian on May 26, 2007 18:26:55 GMT -6
Guys-
A first for me... We had our first week of spring practice this week, and one of our coaches who has a little more time on his hands than this father of two, went through and looked up the list of our players on Myspace and Facebook. Talk about shocker! While you KNOW your kids are up to no good sometimes when they leave the field, what our coach found prompted us to have to have a chat with them about it.
1) A starting QB with a half gallon of a "Certain Spiced Rum" as his display picture 2) Several Pot pics, and other illicit substance pictures. 3) Some rather denigrating pictures of our players with certain females of the school in not-so-innocent situations.
So, I recommend you guys do what we did, in addition to the conversations about drugs and alcohol, include the Internet. We get parents who actually DO pay attention and look up some of our players on these sites, and there will be some serious situations that could develop.
For us we wrapped in the old "You represent your school, not just locally, but world-wide now due to the internet. Doing this stuff on these sites doesnt make you cool, makes you look the fool."
Strange how times change.
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Post by spreadoption on May 26, 2007 19:41:35 GMT -6
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Post by spreadoption on May 26, 2007 19:42:30 GMT -6
1) A starting QB with a half gallon of a "Certain Spiced Rum" as his display picture 2) Several Pot pics, and other illicit substance pictures. 3) Some rather denigrating pictures of our players with certain females of the school in not-so-innocent situations. Boys will be boys. But seriously, thats incredibly dumb of those kids to post pics of themselves in compromising situations like that. Its almost more convienient to catch them when they post pictures of themselves getting wasted and smoking weed on the internet than it would be to actually get drunk or high in a school administrator's living room. Not smart.
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Post by tog on May 26, 2007 19:49:36 GMT -6
the new age of mass information flow will change how we look at a lot of things
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Post by fbairattack on May 26, 2007 23:33:35 GMT -6
I just go the head job a couple months ago and went through and did the myspace search of kids at the school. I saw some of the guys and was rather disappointed by what was on their sites. When I went up to meet the players before spring break I mentioned to a couple of the more disturbing myspace owners that I was disappointed with what I saw and hoped that they would do a better job of representing themselves, their family, and team than what they had on the sites. I have since gone back to the sites and found 3 of the 5 that I talked to had taken the really bad stuff off and the other two had done nothing. It was nice to see that some of them are listening to some suggestions.
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Post by brophy on May 27, 2007 6:06:32 GMT -6
great opportunity to teach leadership, projecting a respectful self-expression, and how (community) PERCEPTION = reality.
With more responsibility comes more opportunities to PROVE yourself.
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Post by bj88smc on May 27, 2007 7:14:36 GMT -6
Happenend to us two years ago. Had 2 starters blowing smoke into their picture they had posted and had referrences to getting blazed. Needless to say, they shaped up and didn't cause any more problems, one actually played very well. After that, all of our kids sites mysteriously disappeared until the end of the season....
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Post by wingtol on May 27, 2007 7:15:39 GMT -6
I think we also need to remind these kids, who tend not to think to far into the future, that stuff you post is out there forever and for anyone to find. There was just that discussion about the teacher who didn't get her degree because of pictures she posted. I know several colleges that have come in to talk to kids and asked if they had myspace/facebook and when the players said yes the coaches said take them down now, we dont let our players have them and neither should you guys.
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Post by brophy on May 27, 2007 7:20:55 GMT -6
along with myspace, we've had to "confront" / address our kids on message board posting at regional rival.com sites. We were finding that these guys were 'leaking' sensitive/personal information about the team (sending bad perceptions to the public). this was ACTUAL footage of me at my last coaching interview..... with all that traffic, you can choose to be part of the mix or get 'left behind'. You can choose to be an influencer of an audience or let someone else have the forum.....point is....RECRUITING. Just putting your name out there (school, coach, etc) is just like fishing. You may not get everyone, but you will get a share of 'advertising time' with potential suitors. Face it...if your team had a myspace page, a kid sees it, how much more inclined would he be to want to be part of a badace social network (what football was BEFORE title IX and the Internet)? Especially if you are posting videos of your highlight reels or rosters. You could have a proprietary team website....but HOW are people going to find it? If you are on myspace (most kids are) one friend leads to another friend leads to anyone connected to your team....GOT 'EM! www.myspace.com/brophyfootball
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Post by wildcat on May 27, 2007 7:32:57 GMT -6
That is hilarious! Just spewed Cheerios all over the computer...thanks alot, Brophy! ;D
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Post by toprowguy on May 27, 2007 7:49:07 GMT -6
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Post by Mav on May 27, 2007 9:13:56 GMT -6
The growing trend with myspace members is to make their pages private. This makes it challenging to review their sites because you must be given permission by the owner. This has pros and cons -- it's good their questionable content isn't posted for everyone to see, but it also gives them a false sense of security. Of course, there are always ways to access private myspace pages. We'll remind them of this with a couple of examples. After they know we've been on their pages, their content is cleaned up.
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Post by fbdoc on May 27, 2007 16:25:35 GMT -6
As the Dean of Students at our school, I've become all to familiar with MySpace sites. In the past month alone we have had to discipline students who were found to have -
egged our rival school vandalized our own school made bogus food orders over the phone sent an "escort" to the home of one of our teachers
We found out who the kid(s) for all of these pranks/crimes were because of comments made on or by friend connections on myspace. Some were brought directly to us by concerned students and some were found by our weekly trolling via different kids whose sites we have access to.
We actually had 2 senior football players who had posted video on their sites of them driving to and from a vandalism event, bragging about their club "ATL" which stood for Above The Law. It's been about 3 weeks since they both went down - The police visited their house with a waiver saying the school would not prosecute if they admitted their involvement and paid full restitution. They also did not get to go to prom, go on the senior trip (NY), and they didn't get to walk during commencement.
We try to get them to do the right thing but some kids just have to learn the hard way.
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Post by tvt50 on May 27, 2007 18:58:53 GMT -6
Old saying "what you dont know, wont hurt you".
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Post by airraider on May 27, 2007 19:21:50 GMT -6
My old school.. The center had a friend over at his house.. while using his computer they made a fake myspace of the school's female principal. He photoshoped her face on a nude pic and did some other stuff. Well, her hubby is a detective on the city police department.. so they got caught sure enough.
They were arrested, and their pics were posted in the news paper with 6 or so child molesters who were caught soliciting sex on the internet. Their crime was internet stalking.. but they mixed them right in there with the others..
They were both expelled for the remainder of the year. I know the Center gets to come back next year, but not sure about the other kid.
The sad part.. the center is a GREAT kid.. never been in a bit of trouble ever.. Im talking about not even a tardy.. but his jokester friend got them both in a world of trouble.
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Post by wingman on May 27, 2007 19:28:11 GMT -6
You might let them know that anything they ever put online can be called up even after being removed. We vacation with one of the head scouts for the NY Yankees, and he told me that they have a computer expert who pulls up everything potential draftees have ever put online. They and everyone else passed on a kid that was originally projected to go in the first round because he had a picture on his Myspace with a bong. He also said the guy they have does the same work for major corporations. Anyone that is investing in a guy/trainee/draftee wants to know what they are getting. It's too late for what they've already done, deleting doesn't help, but they should think twice about anything new.
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Post by fbdoc on May 27, 2007 19:36:36 GMT -6
I would disagree tvt - these two seniors were seen as team leaders and more than one returning player knew they were doing some things but just couldn't bring themselves to come forward (although one obviously did eventually). This type of behavior is what can rip a team apart. Suppose two of your players had vandalized your school, or maybe they sent a hooker to your home where your wife and kid were watching TV when the "escort" knocked on the door (that's exactly what happened to our teacher!) and you answered it? Would you still feel the same way, or would you want to find out who was responsible for it...?
We hope our players are good people at heart and we hope they do the right thing. Sometimes they make poor decisions. If it's a really poor decision, then they are going to suffer some consequences, like my two players.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2007 20:12:31 GMT -6
I agree with fbdoc. Part of the job is to get players to act responsibility and while limiting mistakes, get players to take responsibility for them. This is a modern day example we need to address.
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Post by tvt50 on May 27, 2007 21:01:52 GMT -6
I address the fact that if you got something on myspace that shouldnt be take it off, but I dont have time to be checking everybody's myspace page reading crap and looking at pics. You might be shocked at what you find, I know I wasnt a saint at their age, either.
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JMC
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Post by JMC on May 28, 2007 9:28:02 GMT -6
Our county wide athletic hand book addresses these problems. If a students posts this stuff on their site and the coach or principal finds it and prints it off it is then called evidence. Kids with pictures of drinking or doing drugs face the discipline set forth in the hand book.
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