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Post by phantom on Nov 17, 2010 12:27:20 GMT -6
For veteran coaches, have you noticed a difference in the media over the last few years. Fortunately, as an assistant this doesn't effect me but it has effected the HC and some players. There are two major changes that I've noticed:
1. There is a lot more media. It used to be for a big game you'd have to talk with the local paper and maybe the other team's if they were in a different market. Now with all of the internet stuff, especially when you include the recruiting guys, the boss always seems to be on the phone. It's a nice problem but there are still the same number of hours in the day. Plus, if something gets misspoken or misquoted it's out there for the whole world to see.
2. Reporters are writing differently. They used to be more forgiving and clean up grammatical errors. For example, a local coach who made the playoffs for the first time was quoted as saying that they were in "unchartered waters". Years ago that would have been "uncharted" and the writer wouldn't even have had to consider it. Here, the reporter not only left it as spoken but put it in quotes and had it in the lead paragraph.
Coaches are big boys and can handle stuff like that. They'll do it with kids, though, and that doesn't seem fair.
Is it the same where you guys are? Anything to add?
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 17, 2010 12:37:14 GMT -6
I think that there is not only more media, but more media about high school athletes. Look at the Maxpreps and the ESPN Rises. I remember when I was in HS that the good athletes were lucky enough to get a sentence about their performances.
The other thing to add is that fact the media types are finding money with HS athletics. Games on TV locally and nationally.
Living in a small town we usually go through reporters. The latest guy is really good and has been around for awhile. I think that if reporters report the facts and get the quotes correct then that is all the people would want. I think some media guys get full of themselves and turn columns into opinions. Just report.
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Post by lucassean2 on Nov 17, 2010 12:40:00 GMT -6
I have noticed the local sports media is much more critical of 16 and 17 year old athletes and a local jackass even grades the area programs when their season is done.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 17, 2010 12:40:56 GMT -6
Hasn't hit yere yet, but then, HS football is hardly the top draw here.
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Post by k on Nov 17, 2010 13:14:51 GMT -6
We're in the middle of three local media markets (we're a pretty tiny little town). On Friday morning the preview for our game will be in three papers. They will pick winners and highlight key players and describe how we've done against common opponents etc. On Monday morning we'll have a review of the game in the paper (this goes online like an hour after the game). On Tuesday morning they will run top player lists from the area and release the polls for the new week.
Just about every game we've played this year has had two state wide TV stations film clips and show them on the news (probably 30 seconds spent on the game). A couple times we've been the feature game that week and have had a ton of focus (cameras at practice and like three cameras at the game and spending like 15-20 minutes talking about the game and showing clips on the statewide NBC affiliate 11PM news).
Ten years ago when I was playing we would get a two line comment on the game in the paper. "Smithland high school defeats Tomland high school 21-0 due to the play of Fred Fredson who rushed for 150 yards and had three picks" or whatever.
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Post by struceri on Nov 17, 2010 13:37:28 GMT -6
a local radio station has a coaches show on saturdays during the season, the local paper does a coaches show on the web plus some live webcasts leading up to big games with the coaches of the 2 teams doing a q&a session. The biggest thing has been a internet sports forum where it seems nobody has any trouble bashing 16-18 yr kids. Plus there is a lot of made up of junk that people take as fact because it "is on the internet"
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Post by wingtol on Nov 17, 2010 13:42:55 GMT -6
Our local media is pretty good, newspaper and TV stations, covers a decent sized city so they are spread out and not always knocking down the doors for stuff. They have a section every wed in the paper for just HS sports and have all the stats in there for the main sports, all star teams and all that stuff. TV stations have their special Friday night shows and cover the games decent. What I think is getting out of hand is the "fringe" media like all the web sites, forums, blogs, radio shows and all the wanna be journalists. Those are the guys we don't even bother with.
Right now we have a local radio guy mad because no one calls him from our school and sends him stuff, meanwhile he never arranges any interviews or stuff like that just waits for people to call him and do his work for him. He even has a web site and just posts links to other sites! Doesn't even write anything or go out and cover games! And he is mad we don't kiss his but! It's actually funny. These are the type of people who are really ruining the media around us.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 17, 2010 14:42:19 GMT -6
Our local paper guy is alright, but he constantly tries to be a bit more of a muckraker than is actually possible. We don't get a lot of TV attention in our county, but sometimes one of the local stations will make one of us game of the week or whatever.
A buddy of mine left CA to head out to coach in PA and the biggest difference for him has been how the media is much more critical and 'ESPN-esque' than where he's used to (same area as tothehouse).
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 17, 2010 14:58:55 GMT -6
We have our game LIVE on a local broadcast (cable access) channel. The announcers are extreme "homers". We also have our games on the local AM radio station. Announcers are a little better. I wish both media outlets would investigate more information about the game of football...maybe investigate how to say our players names. The announcers know our players pretty well...which means they know their dads. So...when the kid makes a play the dad's name gets called. To me, that is laziness. Option...is not a "QB sweep", etc. Stuff like that kills me, but they try. Not many programs have their games on TV and radio...so I never complain (only here )
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Post by celtic on Nov 17, 2010 18:51:37 GMT -6
Guys, I don't post often, but our local newspaper's website bugs me. You can post comments online at the end of the article. You can do so anonymously or under any name you want. There's no way to trace who is writing what in the comments. Now I don't ever read the comment section. My wife filters them to me sometimes and the kids read them. We're an average program record wise so my understanding is that our staff takes a bunch of heat on there most weeks. All the local know it alls, you know. Our staff could care less and I don't think any of our staff even read them. My problem is that these idiots go after the kids in these comments too. "Jimmy sucks. He's got no business starting. Bobby should be playing over Timmy." I mean, our coaches are big boys. Not that I feel we deserve that crap, but we can handle it. To go after the kids is a different story though, no?
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Post by PSS on Nov 17, 2010 18:52:26 GMT -6
Being in the largest classification in TX along with being in the Houston area means we are in the media often. Every game is covered by at least 2 radio stations. Had 3 games this year broadcast by 4 different outlets. We also have 2 televised games a year.
I do have a copy of the televised games on DVD. They did a good job. What gets ridiculous is the pre-game interviews the HC has to go through. Thank God I don't have to deal with that. There were times it took over 20 minutes to get through them.
Our local paper does a good job of reporting the stats, not ripping the kids or coaches. That's a pet peeve of mine. Can't stand media running their mouth about things they know nothing about.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 17, 2010 20:22:27 GMT -6
celtic...you need to go to the paper and tell them they need to filter their comments better. Build that repoire with them.
Also, we have had one guy who has been a huge d bag in our comments section after articles. So, I went after him. Let's just say, I have my ways of figuring out who people are in those comments section. Now, I'm not 100% who this joker is...but here is the scary thing. I BELIEVE HE'S A TEACHER ON OUR CAMPUS. And...a COACH OF ANOTHER SPORT.
Needless to say, I comment back when he posts stuff. Nobody knows my alias. I go on attack as well. I hit him right where it hurts. I tell people that he is a teacher. I called him out after week 4...never saying a name or anything. I didn't stop there. He makes comments about other stuff all over the online paper...I'd go on attack in those articles...basically saying the same thing...that's he's a disgruntled teacher, etc. Including one of my post that simply said, "I'm getting close".
After that? Dude never commented again...about football games. I didn't make it my mission by any stretch. And there is no way to go after all the d bags. But when you can pinpoint one...I will strike. How do you stop a bully? Punch em in the mouth.
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Post by julien on Nov 18, 2010 0:22:37 GMT -6
PSS: "can't stand media running their mouth about things they know nothing about"
That's exactly media's job!
I am a radio journalist in France but things are really different here as we don't have HS football or HS sports.
That being said, Phamtom first comment about the number of media is accurate... More media do not mean better coverage.
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Post by PSS on Nov 18, 2010 8:28:39 GMT -6
PSS: "can't stand media running their mouth about things they know nothing about" That's exactly media's job! I am a radio journalist in France but things are really different here as we don't have HS football or HS sports. It's not to ruin the livlihood of a coach or ruin a kid's life without getting the facts first. Fortunately, I live in the U.S. There is freedom of the press but they are held libel for what is printed.
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Post by leighty on Nov 18, 2010 9:26:59 GMT -6
I didn't make it my mission by any stretch. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you did. As for filtering comments, if your paper is anything like the ones around here, they're stretched pretty thin. I don't know that they can devote an employee to screen comments on an article. I'm not sure they need to either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 10:38:05 GMT -6
Just respond "working hard, trying to get better" to every question asked in the interview, and eventually everyone will stop interviewing you. ;D
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Post by julien on Nov 18, 2010 11:01:24 GMT -6
PSS: "can't stand media running their mouth about things they know nothing about" That's exactly media's job! I am a radio journalist in France but things are really different here as we don't have HS football or HS sports. It's not to ruin the livlihood of a coach or ruin a kid's life without getting the facts first. Fortunately, I live in the U.S. There is freedom of the press but they are held libel for what is printed. totally agree. I was just trying to be funny. Media around kids that age doesn't exist in Europe, so like I said, that's very different from what I know. As a journalist and coach I've been on both side. When I was younger I've been into trouble with a basketball team staff and I've been mad at a guy who misquoted me...
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 18, 2010 11:41:43 GMT -6
We sit on the edge of the Phx. metro area and have a local paper but in 4 years as the HC he has asked me questions following a game perhaps twice. In fact I will talk more in most weeks during the season with sports writers from the 2 major papers in the valley then I ever have with him in 4 seasons. In the past he's printed players have left the program when they have not, he's offered explanations for both penalties or play calling without having a single clue about what he is talking about, he's printed that players have committed to schools other then the one they had committed to and the past 2 seasons he mostly covers 2 charter schools in town who play 8 man football in a non-sanctioned charter school league. It's hard to figure but for some reason he's nuetral at best when it comes to our football program. You'd just think your own local paper would cover you far better then the larger state/valley wide papers do.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 18, 2010 12:27:56 GMT -6
Leighty....that's not true.
The guy posted some comments about other stories that didn't take Inspector Clouseau to figure out. He said where he lived and mentioned he was a teacher. We are a two HS town and I know he isn't at the other school. Not hard to figure it out.
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