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Post by zoneblitz on Nov 9, 2010 14:52:59 GMT -6
Does anyone use an off-season points sytems that tallies points for participation in spring and winter sports, weight room attendance, meeting weight lifting goals, grades, etc...and use it as a reward system for the following fall? If so, I am looking for suggestions!
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Post by blackknight on Nov 9, 2010 16:27:23 GMT -6
We have a point system. There are 7 points possible: winter sport, spring sport, spring football class, fall football class, spring football practice, summer weight training and conditioning, and football camp. They must have 5 points. For every point they are below that is a game suspension. We have had kids sit out the 1st 5 games!
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Post by TMGPG on Nov 10, 2010 18:15:17 GMT -6
Wow! Do you all have a problem with any of your key players missing games?
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Post by blackknight on Nov 10, 2010 18:55:56 GMT -6
No. Only the "want-a-be's"
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Post by rcole on Nov 10, 2010 22:43:32 GMT -6
Here is one that I think I got from the articles section on this site:
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Post by arbond on Nov 11, 2010 7:06:29 GMT -6
I was just thinking about coming up with my own system, and was procrastinating by coming on Coach Huey to look around. Great timing!
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Post by flexoption91 on Nov 11, 2010 8:23:22 GMT -6
Blackknight:
I love it.....the idea of instilling team is above and beyond any player is awesome. Your plan is very simple, but leaves very little room for misinerpretation. You either have the points or you do not.
I had a couple questions regarding your philosophy: 1) Lets say you have 3 defensive starters who all must sit out one game, do you stagger that or do they all sit out the first game? 2) How do you convey this philosophy to parents without getting the sh*t storm of punishing their kid for things that are not technically required? Are you just upfront with them and say this how it is going to be, or do you go about it in a more liberal way?
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Post by gazaboekas on Nov 11, 2010 9:45:26 GMT -6
Does anyone use an off-season points sytems that tallies points for participation in spring and winter sports, weight room attendance, meeting weight lifting goals, grades, etc...and use it as a reward system for the following fall? If so, I am looking for suggestions! Call John Abendschan at Boswell High School in Fort Worth. They have an outstanding Off-Season point system that uses weightroom performance, running performance, weekly competitions between the teams, grades, 2nd sport participation, and attendence in off-season as criteria for the system. Off-Season athletes are drafted by the coaches and coaches are responsible for their team of athletes. It is a great motivational tool for the kids and the coaches love the competition in the off-season.
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Post by rcole on Nov 11, 2010 10:26:03 GMT -6
Here is another interesting off-season point system that I found here. It does not include camps and such but it could be altered to include whatever you want. This divides the team into groups that compete for points so that you develop accountability to the group and you develop leadership from within each group.
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Post by schwarz on Nov 11, 2010 11:49:33 GMT -6
We divide the team into groups and they get points for all kind of stuff. Weights etc. Then we have a winning team and an individual winner. And we always make sure to put the slackers with the hard workers.. We had a pretty good off-season last year, and we'll do it again!
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Post by blackknight on Nov 11, 2010 12:12:45 GMT -6
flexoption91,
we have been tempted to stagger the game suspensions but have not done that. We have never been at full strength for our first game but we are usually very close. Our 1st opponent is a very good team and it can cost us as all games count here towards earning a playoff spot.
We handle the parents by never calling it a punishment. We always refer to it as "earning" a spot on the team. We go to great lengths to explain the importance of each point and how it relates to success in our program.
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Post by davishfc on Nov 15, 2010 8:18:53 GMT -6
Check out the following: www.tdfootball.com/pridepointsCoach Jeremy Plaa has a great system going at Thomas Downey High School in Modesto, CA. He is also on Coach Huey as well. "coachplaa" is his user name if you want to PM him for some more information regarding this motivational off-season points system.
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Post by jem on Nov 15, 2010 9:02:58 GMT -6
Here's ours from last year.
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Post by shields on Nov 15, 2010 14:34:54 GMT -6
Thanks to those of you who have posted something. This question is for you all: if your season ends Friday, for example, do you begin this the following Monday or is there some down time, say a week or two? Thanks.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 15, 2010 20:44:41 GMT -6
Does anyone use an off-season points sytems that tallies points for participation in spring and winter sports, weight room attendance, meeting weight lifting goals, grades, etc...and use it as a reward system for the following fall? If so, I am looking for suggestions! We use one coach. If you PM me your email, I'd gladly send you a copy. I don't have my flash drive with me or I'd try to just attach it here.
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Post by phantom on Nov 15, 2010 21:07:13 GMT -6
Thanks to those of you who have posted something. This question is for you all: if your season ends Friday, for example, do you begin this the following Monday or is there some down time, say a week or two? Thanks. We give them (and the coaches) some down time. Since we're in the playoffs we'll start the offseason program when we get back from Christmas break. We'll start off slowly with a lot of technique work then start getting serious a couple of weeks later after exams.
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Post by flexoption91 on Nov 16, 2010 18:44:50 GMT -6
How do you guys handle the kids that just will not buy in?
I am talking about the kid that was on the team the year before. He may or may not have been a starter. He knows and you know he is the best bet you have his position. He says all the things you want to hear to get him off his back but when push comes to shove just wants to play on friday nights. How do you get his to understand the importance of your point system?
Outside of suspending him, are there other ways to make sure you are getting optimum commitment to your points program, and team as a whole?
Did you have take some lumps and play a kid that was committed but might not be the talent before the kids started to understand the importance?
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 16, 2010 21:20:08 GMT -6
Don't play him.
They buy in pretty quick.
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Post by coachplaa on Nov 16, 2010 23:16:04 GMT -6
This is our fourth season of doing this, and let me tell you, they buy in quick. The idea of the top point earners getting first crack at new equipment, jersey number selection, etc., has been huge. A couple of suggestions as we continue to evolve our points system.... 1) Instead of keeping track on an Excel spreadsheet that you have to carry around with you all the time, and upload to a website (if you want your kids to view it online); use Google Docs and their basic spreadsheet. Make the setting so only the coach can edit, but anyone can view it. Then, everytime you need to update it, you log in to Google, make your changes, hit save, and it is always current and updated. 2) Let the kids have a lot of say in how the pride points are earned. Guide them of course, but let them take ownership. Last year, our kids wanted more emphasis put on summer workouts, because they felt like the year before too many kids slacked on committment during the summer. So we weighted it more this year, and it paid off. We also added another great feature this year. We tested their Power Clean at the beginning of summer, and then at the end of summer. For every pound they went up in the Power Clean, they got 1 for 1 in pride points.
And I've said this before on here, but my advice for kids/parents that don't buy in....see you later. It will take one kid to test the system, but if you can sell it to your principal/AD as 1) a safety concern for kids that don't train over the summer, and 2) a way for attitude problems to cut themselves; then you'll have a great system.
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Post by flexoption91 on Nov 17, 2010 6:09:12 GMT -6
Thanks larry and coachplaa
I am right along with you, but just wanted to make sure that there were no loopholes in the system. I already have a good idea in our program who is going to test how serious we are about the program. We have kids that are already buying in and we have not officially began the program. Some of the young kids are pretty excited about the idea that their shot may come earlier than they imagined. I am very excited to see how competition amps up across the board.
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Post by go42 on Nov 17, 2010 6:41:00 GMT -6
We have a very good system that we have used for the past 4 years. It incorporates weight room, grades, behavior, community service, etc. We are a very small school and it has worked wonders for our program. If you are interested PM me and I will forward you our info
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Post by flexoption91 on Nov 17, 2010 12:09:47 GMT -6
Ok, got another question for you guys...
What do you do about kids who can not get to the weight room?
For example, we have a guy who just had Tommy John surgery and is literally not allowed to move his arm for 6 weeks and after that it is a slow rehab. He is a great kid, hard worker, returning two year starter. How do you handle a situation like this regarding the points system?
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Post by gunrun on Nov 17, 2010 13:39:57 GMT -6
This is our fourth season of doing this, and let me tell you, they buy in quick. The idea of the top point earners getting first crack at new equipment, jersey number selection, etc., has been huge. A couple of suggestions as we continue to evolve our points system.... 1) Instead of keeping track on an Excel spreadsheet that you have to carry around with you all the time, and upload to a website (if you want your kids to view it online); use Google Docs and their basic spreadsheet. Make the setting so only the coach can edit, but anyone can view it. Then, everytime you need to update it, you log in to Google, make your changes, hit save, and it is always current and updated. 2) Let the kids have a lot of say in how the pride points are earned. Guide them of course, but let them take ownership. Last year, our kids wanted more emphasis put on summer workouts, because they felt like the year before too many kids slacked on committment during the summer. So we weighted it more this year, and it paid off. We also added another great feature this year. We tested their Power Clean at the beginning of summer, and then at the end of summer. For every pound they went up in the Power Clean, they got 1 for 1 in pride points. And I've said this before on here, but my advice for kids/parents that don't buy in....see you later. It will take one kid to test the system, but if you can sell it to your principal/AD as 1) a safety concern for kids that don't train over the summer, and 2) a way for attitude problems to cut themselves; then you'll have a great system. I like the idea of putting this online. I would also post it somewhere in the locker room/weight room vicinity and update as often as possible. I agree with larrymoe, the whole idea behind the off-season points system is to increase competition. The main thing you have to motivate a kid and get his attention is playing time. If he doesn't want to compete, he doesn't play. He'll either step up or drop out--and your team will be the better for it, no matter what he chooses to do.
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Post by go42 on Nov 17, 2010 15:33:29 GMT -6
We start our program immediately after 1st semester exams....we draft teams during exam week and start the first day of the second semester.
If you have a kid who is injured you can modify what he does in the weight room...if he is serious about adapting his workouts you can adapt his points.....
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Post by coachplaa on Nov 17, 2010 18:26:48 GMT -6
Another thing we kicked around, but haven't done yet....in regards to playing time....since we don't "play any games" in the off-season; we DO play 7on7 and such. We have talked about the top pride pointers at each position get the start in 7 on 7. It's a LITTLE thing, but kids notice.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 17, 2010 20:27:43 GMT -6
Ok, got another question for you guys... What do you do about kids who can not get to the weight room? For example, we have a guy who just had Tommy John surgery and is literally not allowed to move his arm for 6 weeks and after that it is a slow rehab. He is a great kid, hard worker, returning two year starter. How do you handle a situation like this regarding the points system? They show up. Bond with their team. Get their rehab stuff they're supposed to do on their own and do it in the weight room with the rest of the team. If he shows, he gets his points. Otherwise he's like everyone else.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 17, 2010 20:31:00 GMT -6
I like the idea of putting this online. I would also post it somewhere in the locker room/weight room vicinity and update as often as possible. I agree with larrymoe, the whole idea behind the off-season points system is to increase competition. The main thing you have to motivate a kid and get his attention is playing time. If he doesn't want to compete, he doesn't play. He'll either step up or drop out--and your team will be the better for it, no matter what he chooses to do. I post it on the door to the weight room, in the locker room and make sure every player AND their parent (email their parent a copy) get one. I also update the points every week throughout the summer (about once every couple to three weeks in the winter) and then email it to every parent I have on my list. It has worked well. Last summer we had 18 of 31 kids get to 80% or more of the available points. Only 5 didn't make the required 66%. The kids bought in great. Now we just have to work on their habits in the weight room...
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Post by cocoach on Nov 28, 2010 16:31:18 GMT -6
As I was reading the post and saw the special on ESPN yesterday about helmet stickers; what is everyone's thoughts on a "special" decal for players that have earned x points or % of points?
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Post by coachplaa on Nov 29, 2010 7:19:49 GMT -6
We do the same thing with the injured kids. They have to show up (if they can) and be a part of the team.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2010 19:50:38 GMT -6
As I was reading the post and saw the special on ESPN yesterday about helmet stickers; what is everyone's thoughts on a "special" decal for players that have earned x points or % of points? We do not give out any helmet stickers unless a player achieves a certain % of the points. They then do not get stickers until the team receives a win. This year that took 4 weeks. Our seniors that didn't buy in this past year bitched alot about it because they never had to earn anything in the past. But the younger kids got the point. When we presented the pts system to the team last week as we began to begin our off season workouts, I brought that up and a number of players commented that we needed to all work toward getting stickers. I think they got the point.
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