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Post by wolfden12 on Nov 8, 2010 10:40:43 GMT -6
I have been reading a lot of coaching articles and developing winning programs. Several authors and coaches have mentioned that they never curse your players, or verbally attack.
I attempt to control this as best I can. I am a very passionate coach. However, there are times when kids fail to speak up, listen to instruction, and want to complain when they get corrected or coached. Is this a problem on your staff? Does the head coach or if you are a head coach frown on this behavior? I know not every minute but if it occurs randomly from your assistants.
Do players benefit or suffer?
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 8, 2010 10:45:19 GMT -6
Always remember the age group you dealing with and how is it you'd like be treated- I never would treat a player in a way I'd find it unacceptable for my supervisor to treat me, no matter how right he was and how wrong I was. You can coach hard without being abusive either physically, mentally or verbally.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 8, 2010 10:51:20 GMT -6
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 8, 2010 10:52:34 GMT -6
I blow up sometimes when perhaps I oughtn't, but I make a point of ensuring the kids always know that I'm not mad because they made a mistake or a bad play or they aren't very good, I'm mad precisely because I know that they are good, and they aren't playing as well as hey could, because they aren't giving a full effort, either mentally or physically. But I make this clear regularly and separate from my occasional rants.
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Post by endersgame on Nov 8, 2010 12:34:22 GMT -6
When I picture myself disciplining my players one day I always imagine myself as a loving but firm father: he commands your attention with his presence, experience, and knowledge but he never disrespects those entrusted to him. He is assertive and speaks up for attention but rarely resorts to yelling. He is always in control of his emotions. He has discipline to command discipline. He is caring and knows when to uplift you but also knows when to furrow his brow and put you in line without degrading you.
I already know my personality and can imagine my personal coaching style, and I know that I will never be a "yeller" or one who needs to instill fear in his players. It's very difficult to describe, but I picture myself as someone who one day has such a knowledge of the game and such a presence when I enter the room that people pay attention because they want to be there to learn. I think that should be the ultimate goal of every coach, but it's something I try to visualize a lot. I run through situations and make up conversations between other coaches and players in my mind to see how I would react. I also try to represent my rational side, one who isn't blinded by anger. Anger does not build, it only destroys. I think for someone who identifies as a passionate coach like you there are a few practical things they can try to discipline themself (note, I did not say "tone yourself down"):
1. Remove all swear words from your vocabulary. I believe that if you do not swear in a casual setting you will certainly not swear in a professional setting with younger students you have been entrusted with.
2. Time heals everything. Instead of blowing up immediately when one of your players does wrong allow yourself two-five seconds to take a deep breath and exhale before speaking to him (note: speaking to him, not talking/yelling at him). Just be sure not to sound exasperated, because I think it's equivalent to a player having bad body language.
3. Be like Fonzi. What's Fonzi like? Cool. And that's what we're gonna be, we're gonna be cool.
No, seriously, I hope you took at leats one thing from this.
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Post by NC1974 on Nov 8, 2010 13:45:46 GMT -6
I agree with the other response that basically said being tough/hard does not necessarily equal yelling/screaming. I have no problem with yelling and screaming, but what bothers me is hypocracy. If you are in a program that preaches: self control, no swearing, respect etc. Then I believe you have to model that as a coach.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 8, 2010 13:49:55 GMT -6
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Post by msalazar51 on Nov 8, 2010 16:13:04 GMT -6
I decided to leave my last position and accept a head coaching position at another school for this very issue. I loved the school, students, and staff I worked with before. Great school, great teachers, and some of the best football men men ever. The only issue was the language that we (myself included) used with teenage boys. How we could rail and rage against them. My son was a sophomore in the program and I realized how much I hated for a grown man to talk to my son that way.
I have been working hard and a no profanity policy...it was really tough, but it is getting better and better. I have all but eliminated profanity from my daily life. Now when I get a little too fired up I'll slip, still not the right thing to do, but it happens! I sure get a lot of mileage out of "flipp'n" and "Jimnney Christmas!" Is that profane?
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 8, 2010 16:45:02 GMT -6
Coaching with enthusiasm and intensity doesn't have to include anger or shaming. I like to think I can do a good job of coaching with great enthusiasm and volume (brings energy to the situation) while staying on the positive side of things.
That doesn't mean you can't say "Phil, that's not good enough" when Phil doesn't do it the way you want, but you don't have to curse Phil's mother's existence and bemoan her decision to give birth.
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Post by bighit65 on Nov 8, 2010 17:53:20 GMT -6
The one rule that i have for myself as a coach has already been mentioned in this thread. I ask my team to speak to each other like they want to be spoken to. I also follow this rule. it always comes back to this during the season.
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Post by coachguy83 on Nov 8, 2010 18:11:28 GMT -6
I try hard not to cuss at my players and I don't really like yelling at my players. I do a pretty good job at projecting my voice so everyone can hear, but rarely does it turn into a yell. I do admit that I slip from time to time and I've also discovered that some players will react better to being yelled at then being told something. I had a DE this season who had a heck of a time remembering to do his job and not just make a play. I told him again and again to no effect. Then one day during team I lost it and went off on him and he turned in to one of the best DEs we had.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Nov 8, 2010 18:59:54 GMT -6
Never cuss a player, but yelling at him is an acceptable and quick way, in my opinion, of holding him accountable. You also have to constantly remind the kids that you're criticism is professional, not personal, and that you care about their growth as a player and a person. There has to be more positives than negatives.
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Post by CoachHess on Nov 8, 2010 19:21:44 GMT -6
I agree. Never curse at a kid. In times where I have been excited or intense and cursed while explaining something to a player or coming down on a player, I always make sure to put my arm around him after practice and tell him why I love the young man. I think it goes a long way for helping him understand why it happened and that you care about him even if you do slip up and curse.
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Post by wolfden12 on Nov 8, 2010 19:33:13 GMT -6
I have tried no matter how much I get on a kid at the end of the day leave a positive remark. Plus, I think the HC is gonna have that talk with me after I talked to him tonight and explained how I was looking into correcting this issue and becoming more professional and accountable for myself and our players performance.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 9, 2010 7:41:14 GMT -6
I have never berated nor sworn at a player and I never will. I've come uncorked on the rare occasion and raised my voice when dealing with a discipline issue but I've never attacked a player verbally. IMO, it's just not the right way to treat the players, or anyone else for that matter. And, it doesn't tend to get results from the kids anyway.
The players know I'm p-ssed off when my tone goes flat and the brutal honesty comes out. I had a very athletic DL this last year who was a lazy sloth. We were teaching him all of the fundamentals, he'd shine on game day, but gave no effort in practice. After prompting him several times to pick it up one day, I just told him to take his pads off and go take a seat on the sidelines. I told him (without yelling) to come back to practice when he felt like actually working and that to make his mind up quickly because I was going to consider it an unexcused absence and he wouldn't play at all that week if he didn't get his crap together. He sat over there and pouted for a bit but decided to come back to practice and worked his a-- off.
I had the same thing happen with another kid, but it went the other way; he just sulked for the rest of practice. I pulled him aside after and in a flat, calm tone of voice told him that he wasn't going to play that week and that if he was going to keep it up, he might as well turn in his gear because he wasn't going to play for me. That struck a cord with him; he developed a whole different work ethic after that.
IMO, had I hollered at the two of them, it would have been a different story. It would have made a confrontational situation much worse; they would have shut off to the problem and focused on my yelling instead. Instead, it became a choice for them; they'd better figure out if they wanted to put in the effort that was required of them if they wanted to play football. Taking away playing time hit home for them in a way that running or screaming at them wouldn't have. They may have quit and that would have been very hard on the program this year, but we will not tolerate laziness and bad attitudes in practice.
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Post by indian1 on Nov 9, 2010 9:17:04 GMT -6
How could you ever defend to a parent or principal why it was Ok on any occasion to cuss at or in front of a player? Its simply an indefensible position so it should be avoided.
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Post by Send_the_House on Nov 9, 2010 10:11:49 GMT -6
It is impossible to defend the position that you as a coach feel it necessary, or even a good thing, to cuss at a kid.
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Post by calkayne on Nov 9, 2010 11:48:43 GMT -6
I am surprised how popular I am within our Team. As a highly motivated person it does not take long to push my buttons when things go wrong.
These days I am much better, but after advising an individual 3 times not to make the same mistake again and to try A, B or C, I will get loud. Heck, sometimes I get really loud.
But I never bastardise the Player and for every "blow up" they get from me, I will make sure that I find something good that I can complement them on.
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Post by robinhood on Nov 9, 2010 12:10:48 GMT -6
The practice field is like another classroom. I don't yell or swear in my classroom to teach lessons. The practice field is the same.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 9, 2010 12:44:38 GMT -6
I've never sworn in a negative way with the team, but I use it very occasionally as a little secret with the team on positive occasions, so they think their coach is actually a cool guy sometimes (not always).
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Post by notdarkyet75 on Nov 9, 2010 16:29:58 GMT -6
As a player I never like being berated and I try my hardest to avoid doing it my players. I never cuss directly at them or call the names but I might let a cuss word slip in frustration, but I try my hardest not to.
The biggest thing I learned is if the your emotions get the best of you, gather yourself and then calmly explain why you were upset and how you, the player/team or going to correct it.
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Post by lrader on Nov 10, 2010 10:34:55 GMT -6
I don't think it's bad to "yell", as long as the kid knows you're doing it b/c you expect him to be better, not b/c you think he's worthless. And the only time I really get on a kid is when they aren't going hard. Example, screaming at a kid in practice, "Johnny, Jimmy is whipping you b/c he is working ahrder than you. You're about to lose your spot to him. You're bigger, stronger, and faster, than he is. But he wants it more than you do." This does two things, it motivates Johnny, and it praises Jimmy for his hard work. Even though you're screaming at them, and showing you're pissed at the lack of effort, you're still letting Johnny know that you think he can do it and is worth your time
As opposed to: "johnny you're such a worthless *** that you're letting a little s*** on like Jimmy beat you", now they're both going to shut down. It's all in how you word it.
Also like other have said, make sure when Johnny does it right, you're the first one to praise him for it.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 10, 2010 14:15:58 GMT -6
Know your players and watch how they respond to you and adjust accordingly. Not all kids respond to the same coaching tactics.
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Post by tribepride on Nov 10, 2010 21:51:20 GMT -6
I concur with lrader and his point about getting after the kids. I am the type of coach that keeps his "powder dry." I rarely raise my voice but when I do I make it count. I don't curse the kids but they and/or the team will get an ear full if warranted. If you save the "out bursts" the kids will pay attention. If someone yells all the time, they will just tune them out. My own kids get a butt chewing once in a while so I don't feel bad about a little butt chewing at practice. I never liked getting my butt chewed out either but it sure does get your attention.
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Post by coach4life on Nov 11, 2010 10:29:04 GMT -6
I concur with lrader and his point about getting after the kids. I am the type of coach that keeps his "powder dry." I rarely raise my voice but when I do I make it count. I don't curse the kids but they and/or the team will get an ear full if warranted. If you save the "out bursts" the kids will pay attention. If someone yells all the time, they will just tune them out. My own kids get a butt chewing once in a while so I don't feel bad about a little butt chewing at practice. I never liked getting my butt chewed out either but it sure does get your attention. Agree with that and the other comments above - if you yell and/or curse all the time the kids will filter it out, as any of us will. Used at the right time a little additional volume or a very rare bit of bad language will wake 'em up. One other thought on getting loud - when you're in the teaching/learning phase, yelling is just not an effective way to teach. Being patient until you are confident a kid gets it (and each kid will have his own pace with that) is at the heart of teaching. Now lack of effort or a kid not doing what you know he is capable of and knows how to do, it's gonna get loud. The #1 thing I see that drives me nuts is getting on a kid for a game situation he wasn't prepared for, like throwing for 10 minutes in practice that week then throwing 30 times in a game and getting on the QB or WR - "Didn't you see that guy wide open?" or "Throw it to one of our guys!", or "Catch the ball!". Applies in context to any position, it's our job to have them prepared and if they are not that's on us.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 11, 2010 10:39:38 GMT -6
I may have started out as a screamer/yeller/berater early in my career if it weren't for an experience my senior year of high school.
A new HC had taken over the program my senior year and he was/is an 'intense guy'.
During a scrimmage, I called the huddle exactly where he wanted it (7 yards away) as loud as possible. Several players took their sweet time getting to the huddle and this coach just laid into me from the sideline. He was screaming, yelling and swearing at me to get them huddled up. Then I got chewed out on the sideline for screwing up the tempo when I had no control over how fast the rest of the unit got to the huddle.
I shut off to him right there and then.
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