JMC
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Post by JMC on Nov 5, 2010 10:42:23 GMT -6
Posted the story below. I don't think the coach should be suspended. It's one thing if he is throwing touch downs, but another just throwing short routes so his seniors who don't get to play a lot can have a catch. fayobserver.com/articles/2010/11/04/1045514?sac=Home |
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Post by mitch on Nov 5, 2010 10:46:53 GMT -6
It's ridiculous. The other coach thought it was a joke.
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Post by phantom on Nov 5, 2010 10:51:20 GMT -6
Unbelievable.
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Post by hamerhead on Nov 5, 2010 10:51:45 GMT -6
Surely the administrator has more important things to be worrying about, no?
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dduck13
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Post by dduck13 on Nov 5, 2010 10:58:44 GMT -6
What are we coming to these days? Many people may disagree with this but I have always thought that it is the offense's job to score and the defense's job to stop them. If I was at work and did a great job today do you think my boss would tell me not to do anything tomorrow? The answer is NO!!! So, how are you preparing a kid for the real world by telling him we did so well in the first half that we can not do anything in the second. Makes zero sense to me. I would not go to the extent of throwing bombs on a team that was getting hammered and I would definitely let the guys that don't get much playing time take over...but I would not stop running my offense and I would not make it so vanilla that the town idiot could predict the next play. This is just me.
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Post by k on Nov 5, 2010 11:20:06 GMT -6
I think that this kinda stuff is one thing you need to consider when you're picking an offense.
If you're wing-t, double wing, or I-Iso/Power you're going to be able to run your "core plays" while that TF team isn't or you're going to get this kind of reaction...
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 5, 2010 11:21:44 GMT -6
If this district does not have a written policy that clearly defines what constitutes "running up the score" along with the consequences it seems this administrator and the district have no leg to stand on. Seems with just a bit of effort he could easily be coaching the game.
Sounds like this guy was playing his reserves (I mean guys who have NEVER caught a pass?) what more should he do, punt on 1st down, ask players to fumble the ball away, tell them to fall down should they catch it? A back up wants to perform well to in front of his family and friends.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 5, 2010 11:30:28 GMT -6
I think that this kinda stuff is one thing you need to consider when you're picking an offense. If you're wing-t, double wing, or I-Iso/Power you're going to be able to run your "core plays" while that TF team isn't or you're going to get this kind of reaction... I'm not sure one of the criteria for picking "your offense" is how you might handle blowouts or "what are we going to do if we get up by 40 on someone?". |
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Post by 42falcon on Nov 5, 2010 11:39:31 GMT -6
I agree isn't the idea of designing your offense to score points?
I spoke with an HC/OC who said when they get up they pass a lot their playcalling changes ie: no 4 verts lots of spacing and mesh, stick concepts.
I asked why he said: because it gives us a chance to really work the pass game VS a look our kids learn a lot and get more reps than when we practice it, because we can't get the tempo and or skill look.
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Post by k on Nov 5, 2010 11:41:01 GMT -6
If you're wing-t, double wing, or I-Iso/Power you're going to be able to run your "core plays" while that TF team isn't or you're going to get this kind of reaction... I'm not sure one of the criteria for picking "your offense" is how you might handle blowouts or "what are we going to do if we get up by 40 on someone?". [/quote] I guess my point is that it probably should be one factor in determining what your offense is. =) |
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Post by phantom on Nov 5, 2010 11:42:54 GMT -6
If you're wing-t, double wing, or I-Iso/Power you're going to be able to run your "core plays" while that TF team isn't or you're going to get this kind of reaction... I'm not sure one of the criteria for picking "your offense" is how you might handle blowouts or "what are we going to do if we get up by 40 on someone?". I guess my point is that it probably should be one factor in determining what your offense is. =)[/quote] Really? Would it even come up in the conversation? |
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Post by k on Nov 5, 2010 11:43:37 GMT -6
I agree isn't the idea of designing your offense to score points? No doubt but are there other things to consider? Events like this make me think there is... Only so many times you can run QB Draw in a row if that is your only run play... |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 5, 2010 11:45:00 GMT -6
Running the wing T, we dropped 72 on a team one time. last points were scored on the buck sweep by the 3rd string HB with about 1:30 left, went for 76 yards.
Even considering that it really isn't indicative of what happened, we scored 34 in the last quarter, 21 off special teams/defensive scores. Just one of those crazy games where what offense we had didn't really factor into the final score. We both were battling for 1st place and they tried some things that didn't help the matter.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 5, 2010 11:47:33 GMT -6
I agree isn't the idea of designing your offense to score points? No doubt but are there other things to consider? Events like this make me think there is... Only so many times you can run QB Draw in a row if that is your only run play... no, you can run "your only run play" as many freakin' times as you wish. if you don't want to run it up, if you don't care about scoring, if you don't care too much about moving the ball ... then call 3 runs and punt. does it matter what run plays you call? no ... zone right, zone left, zone right, zone left ... it now matters what run plays you call? crap, it's a blowout and you are trying NOT to score at all ... so why does it NOW matter how many runs you have, or how many you call? the bigger question would be who designs an entire offense with qb draw as their ONLY run play ... |
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 5, 2010 12:08:54 GMT -6
This is retarded.
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Post by k on Nov 5, 2010 12:18:46 GMT -6
no, you can run "your only run play" as many freakin' times as you wish. if you don't want to run it up, if you don't care about scoring, if you don't care too much about moving the ball ... then call 3 runs and punt. does it matter what run plays you call? no ... If you throw 90%+ of the time you're not getting better at your offense (with your youngins in there) by running all the time. Yeah I understand where you're coming from and all I just think that if you're gonna be suspended for throwing when you're ahead you probably have to give a pass focused offense a second thought. A few teams who have coaches post on this board if I remember correctly. =) |
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 5, 2010 12:28:59 GMT -6
I don't know so much if it matters what you call but rather who is in there running those plays. If you play a spread team and they have there 2's and even 3's in there and they are running THEIR offense no one should have an issue with that- doing the same with your 1's deep into a game that's decided is what typically set's folks off.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 5, 2010 13:11:34 GMT -6
not getting better at your offense? that wasn't the goal ... the goal was to avoid beating someone by 50. at that point, it's about not getting better but getting the game over with and not getting anyone hurt. so, run whatever play you need to accomplish that - the goal isn't about getting better
i'm not sure what governing bodies suspend teams for throwing the ball or suspend them for throwing the ball with a lead ... but, if throwing the ball is cause for a suspension, then you would have to think about your offensive scheme ... however, if they are going to suspend for running up the score - regardless of how you do it, then scheme doesn't come into play - playcalling does. again, if they say "team A won by 50 but they never threw it - no suspension. however team B won by 50 and threw several passes - suspended".... don't pick an offense with ANY passes in it, i guess.
just sounds stupid to include in your decision of offensive & defensive philosophy the rare occassion that you might beat someone by 50 points. secondly, why don't you take that time to "get better" (as you say) at running your 4-minute offense (i will assume you know what i'm talking about). why not "get better" at other areas of your offense? you know, "get better" at situations where you NEED to run the ball, (like when up late and want to force the other team to call timeouts on defense so you RUN the ball even though you throw it 90% of the time).
so, when you are beating the spit out of someone, focus on:
1) getting your backups valuable playing time running your base offense - run or pass
2) getting the game over with as soon as possible without deliberately embarrassing anyone and trying to avoid any injuries or lengthening of the game.
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 5, 2010 13:21:25 GMT -6
I have been accused by the people in our community of bringing a passing game into our flexbone veer option offense. I laugh at it. We threw 18 "passes" one game, where 8 were bubbles off of veer (just a long pitch), and 4 were quick screens to our WR's (0 yard pass). We only threw it beyond the LOS 6 times the whole game, but everyone is "excited" about our new passing game.
It is ridiculous that people who don't know anything can have such an impact on a coaches' job. One of the reasons why I am glad I am a coordinator and not a HC. I'll throw the bubble if the opponent is putting 9 in the box against all my #2's. Why should I let them tee-off on my kids?
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msalazar51
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Post by msalazar51 on Nov 5, 2010 14:57:56 GMT -6
The suspension of this coach is a travesty! Administrators need to leave the football to the coaches. I may not like you throwing late in a "blowout" but that is because of my frustration. My defense has to stop them!
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Post by rpetrie on Nov 5, 2010 20:18:47 GMT -6
I know this is not football...but the topic applies, so no comments please. Our girls soccer coach got reprimanded this season for winning 9-0. He had every starter out at half when the score was 5-0. He played his defenders as forwards and forwards as defenders...I mean the backups, not starters...for an entire half. Girls were kicking the ball "in the direction" of the goal...and the goalie let 2 go between the legs (rolling) and 1 go off her hands...terrible. Our AD (female) read him the riot act and demanded he write a formal apology...he didn't do it and got suspended for the next game. It is an insult to the backups to ask them NOT DO THEIR JOB. They work hard and deserve the opportunity to perform. My policy has been and always will be...no matter what the score, my starters always start the 2nd half and they must either score or make 1 stop as a defensive series before putting in the reserves across the board. If we start on defense and are simply overpowering them offensively, I make them cross the 50 before subbing in. They need to be finishers before worrying about being spectators.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 5, 2010 21:48:04 GMT -6
Seems like an easy fix.
1) Ask for administrative request/reprimand in writing.
2)hold parents meeting.
3) Inform parents of back up kids that their kids will not be given the full opportunity to compete due to administrative wishes.
4) Forward any/all parental complaints regarding this issue directly to administrators stapled to written copy of reprimand.
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Post by mitch on Nov 6, 2010 13:56:30 GMT -6
This thread has made my head hurt. Its completely ridiculous that the coach was suspended. He should appeal and be reinstated. Choosing your offense based, even in part, on how you will handle blowouts?  Hahahahahaha! C'mon man! This whole situation, and thread, is crazy. |
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trojan
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Post by trojan on Nov 7, 2010 7:56:35 GMT -6
Seems like an easy fix. 1) Ask for administrative request/reprimand in writing. 2)hold parents meeting. 3) Inform parents of back up kids that their kids will not be given the full opportunity to compete due to administrative wishes. 4) Forward any/all parental complaints regarding this issue directly to administrators stapled to written copy of reprimand. I hate to be a d1ck, but I like this post. BTW, I've been on the losing end of a lot more blowouts than on the winning end. It has never been an issue for my backups to "not score." :-) |
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Post by wingtol on Nov 7, 2010 8:18:30 GMT -6
I guess we would be in trouble since we have scored over 500 points this season. Maybe this place would suspend us for the entire season next year.
Damn Liberals......
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 8, 2010 10:39:10 GMT -6
DC you are so right! Or the ever famous take them down then let them up- over and over again. Talk about embarrassing- just you and the guy kicking your fanny and the world is watching.
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Post by gdoggwr on Nov 10, 2010 12:11:03 GMT -6
Un - {censored} - believable.
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Post by k on Nov 10, 2010 12:22:29 GMT -6
i'm not sure what governing bodies suspend teams for throwing the ball or suspend them for throwing the ball with a lead ... but, if throwing the ball is cause for a suspension, then you would have to think about your offensive scheme ... Which seems to be the issue in this case... Thinking about this thread...ya know...it's interesting that this only comes up in football, basketball and soccer. It doesn't come up in volleyball, baseball, softball. Except that it does come up in baseball... You don't steal bases up by fifteen runs in the top of the 7th. |
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Post by coachcb on Nov 10, 2010 14:15:38 GMT -6
LOL. I love it when these conversations come up.
This isn't a situation where the administration needs to step in. It's a situation where the two HCs either need to shake hands and keep their traps shut or beat the sh-t out of each other. I have had my issues in the past with what I viewed as a team 'running up the score' but that isn't what kept me awake that night. Letting a team dominate us like that is what really bugs me.
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juice10
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Post by juice10 on Nov 10, 2010 15:25:03 GMT -6
Ditto. Ultimately, reading this board has been rather amusing. You can't control what the other team does. You can control only your side of the equation. I have been in both circumstances and in both cases I am doing everthing thing I can to get the heck out of the game as fast as I can. Being down 50 or up 50, I am not necessarily changing what I do, but what personel on the depth chart I am doing it with.
Some of this is coming down to society today. I am going to extremes here, but why not give everyone a championship ribbon, not keep score, and make all the moms, dads, and administrators happy by treating everyone equally. No winners or losers that way.
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Hahahahahaha! C'mon man! 
