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Post by phantom on Nov 4, 2010 9:26:44 GMT -6
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Post by blb on Nov 4, 2010 9:39:34 GMT -6
I've always thought it was for "show." You can't force true sportsmanship.
Personally I don't go through the line. I think that's for the kids. I just go find the other head coach.
So I'm ambivalent about it.
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Post by leighty on Nov 4, 2010 10:07:02 GMT -6
I'm indifferent about it.
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Post by calkayne on Nov 4, 2010 11:14:42 GMT -6
Strategic placement of Officials and Referees makes, to me, no sense at all. It will precipitate a Security presence. This would, in the long term, aid in ruining the state of the game.
Baring in mind that these are isolated incidents from isolated locations, it must be safe to assume that it is the passion and commitment involved in the winning process that causes these fights.
There will always be a loser, there will always be a winner. Part of our job as Coaches is to teach Players that even if we do loose, we are still men (young or old) representing our traditions, communities, institutions and families.
Congratulating a winner should be a natural part of the game. However bitter that pill may be to swallow.
When these fights break out I generally tend to assume that this is a fault of the Coaches. As hard as it might be, the Players must be seen to be taking the high road when defeated.
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Post by blb on Nov 4, 2010 11:26:43 GMT -6
Absolutely not Officials' job to control players or coaches after the game ends.
That's up to coaches, Game Management-Administrators.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2010 12:09:18 GMT -6
I agree 100% blb!
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Post by dc207 on Nov 4, 2010 17:32:03 GMT -6
I didn't read the article, but now that I've had a couple years of doing this, I think the referee's jobs end at the final whistle. I don't think they should have the added responsibility of supervising the postgame handshake.
Now, we have had some surprising attitudes from coaches on other staffs, belive it or not. One coach called our MLB a "dick" in the postgame line! It was a shock.
Now, he was right, our MLB is a pain. But to do that in front of his own kids was amazingly immature. I think administrators of the schools should be present.
Our principal walks out there and watches. I think that's great.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 4, 2010 18:43:59 GMT -6
we always make our kids put their helmet on and look the opposing player in the eye...if you can't shake a hand, amybe you shouldn't be playing
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 4, 2010 18:44:46 GMT -6
we always make our kids put their helmet on and look the opposing player in the eye...if you can't shake a hand, amybe you shouldn't be playing
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Post by indian1 on Nov 4, 2010 18:45:59 GMT -6
This whole concept is horse $hit. If a player can't shake hands without losing it he should be suspended or dismissed outright. If a coach can't handle it, he should be fired. Enough of this "people can't control their emotions crap". The whole goddam reason we have high school football is to help teach young men life lessons. This seems like a pretty simple lesson to me. Fight like crazy and have the sportsmanship to shake on it after. What is the world coming to?
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Post by airman on Nov 4, 2010 18:46:57 GMT -6
I think this is a prime example of how the self esteem movement dogma is hurting the USA.
In the SEM you are a champion and how dare anyone tell you otherwise even if the score board reads 42-0 It is also a prime example of how kids cannot control their emotions. it is prime reason why martial arts should be mandatory in our schools. they teach you to control your emotions and teach you discipline.
If you cannot shake the hand of a man who beat you it reflects poorly upon you as a person be you a coach or player.
as my father told me as a young boy "when you lose say little, when you win say even less"
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Post by jlenwood on Nov 4, 2010 19:13:00 GMT -6
We had an opposite of this happen a few years ago at a JR high game. The opposing team came in undefeated, and our team flat beat the crap out of them. A very clean game, but the other coach came unglued after the game and would not let the kids shake our teams hand. He sent them directly to the bus.
Well, several of their parents went onto the bus, drug their kids out and made them come back to shake hands and congratulate the winners. Eventually all of the kids came back, but the sorry @$$ coach never did. He is now the head varsity coach there, and very successful but very disliked through out the league for being a jerk!
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Post by creid on Nov 4, 2010 19:45:11 GMT -6
The post game hand shake is an important part of the game. It teaches kids to man up after a contest and congratulate their opponent, win or loose.
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Post by mhs99 on Nov 4, 2010 20:10:59 GMT -6
That is horsecrap blb and all other coaches that think a postgame handshake is not needed. What are we teaching kids in the end about winning and losing in a proper manner. If you can not crontrol your team enough to shake hands, find a new profession. And another thing ALL coaches should go through lines and shake hands with kids...they are the ones who play the game and it is a sign of respect. Too many coaches, older ones in particular, want to only shake hands with their counterparts away from the kids line, that is garbage. It is not 18th century warfare where generals only acknowledge each other. Finally, if you are in line with your players there will be far less tension.
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Post by JVD on Nov 4, 2010 21:01:49 GMT -6
Be a man...shake the hand!
Takes all kinds I guess.
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Post by phantom on Nov 4, 2010 21:41:47 GMT -6
That is horsecrap blb and all other coaches that think a postgame handshake is not needed. What are we teaching kids in the end about winning and losing in a proper manner. If you can not crontrol your team enough to shake hands, find a new profession. And another thing ALL coaches should go through lines and shake hands with kids...they are the ones who play the game and it is a sign of respect. Too many coaches, older ones in particular, want to only shake hands with their counterparts away from the kids line, that is garbage. It is not 18th century warfare where generals only acknowledge each other. Finally, if you are in line with your players there will be far less tension. I don't go through the line. I shake the coaches's hands then get back to watch our kids in line. Sorry that you think it's garbage but it beats breaking up a brawl. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Nov 4, 2010 22:08:37 GMT -6
A few years ago we quit doing the lineup, we told our kids to go find the guy or guys they played against and let them know you appreciate their effort in more detail than "good game". If we lose and the other team starts getting in a single file line then we will follow suit, but we always want our guys to specifically acknowledge the guys they played against.
We've had one issue in 4 years with trash talk, etc. and the guy on our team was a real A-hole who we probably should have done a better job of monitoring.
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Post by coachguy83 on Nov 4, 2010 22:42:40 GMT -6
I think the handshake is an important part of the game and I always go through the line with the kids because as was said above, they played the game. I will tell each kid that they played a good game and if one kid had an exceptional game I will tell him as much. I also go through the line with the kids so I can keep an eye on them because I have had a couple knuckleheads that might want to start something.
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 5, 2010 7:33:53 GMT -6
One of the few traditions in our great sport that I believe can't be impacted by politics, policies, parents, refs, or anyone else.
Line it up boys, tell 'em good game!
If my kids picked a fight during the postgame handshake, I would deal with the problem and make darn sure it never happened again.
Likewise, if there are coaches out there who can't deal with this situation...fine, but don't strip my team and an entire sport of a tradition because of a few teams in the fricken country.
Geez, this just burns me. So tired of rules lawyers thinking they can't cast a huge net over an isolated incident to fix the problem. Man, pisses me off
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Post by blb on Nov 5, 2010 7:40:23 GMT -6
That is horsecrap blb and all other coaches that think a postgame handshake is not needed. What are we teaching kids in the end about winning and losing in a proper manner. If you can not crontrol your team enough to shake hands, find a new profession. And another thing ALL coaches should go through lines and shake hands with kids...they are the ones who play the game and it is a sign of respect. Too many coaches, older ones in particular, want to only shake hands with their counterparts away from the kids line, that is garbage. It is not 18th century warfare where generals only acknowledge each other. Finally, if you are in line with your players there will be far less tension. Whoa, lighten up there, Junior. Do you really think kids going through a forced lineup briefly slapping hands with each other while mumbling "GooGame" over and over is teaching them anything about "proper manner(s)" or "respect"? If so, you are indeed a better man than I as you so forcefully implied. 44dlcoach's approach is much more meaningful and sincere. |
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Post by crazynotion on Nov 5, 2010 8:27:19 GMT -6
Hi
I as a player in NL dont get the idea of handshake after everygame ?
It should be a game to game decision based on the behavior on the field of the other team. F.e. if they play dirty i for myselfe dont see the point in shaking hands. Then ofcorse you can say its only one or two players who misbehaved on the field and you should respect the rest of the team and their performance, but on the otherhand its a teamsport so you take care of those guys and also be "judged" as a team for their misbehavior. So the handshake as it is now is more or less just meaningless
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 5, 2010 8:53:07 GMT -6
For us it's always helmets off, look them face-to-face. I don't think the apocalypse is coming either way, I just think it's a sign of maturity to acknowledge the other team after the game has been played.
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Post by k on Nov 5, 2010 9:19:25 GMT -6
we always make our kids put their helmet on and look the opposing player in the eye...if you can't shake a hand, amybe you shouldn't be playing How do you look them in the eye if you're trying to slap hands? I can't. I've tried! |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 5, 2010 12:45:32 GMT -6
I have been called names in the handshake line before. I've had the old jerk my hand down real hard ploy too. I try to just keep my head regardless of which end of the butt whuppin' I toted. I would hate to think that we all couldn't be mature enough to show sportsmanship.
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Post by msalazar51 on Nov 5, 2010 13:26:13 GMT -6
Great post! I have just sat with an opposing coach this past week and we had this very conversation. We both think that the "line'em up hand slap" is garbage. We have both told our kids that this week after the game they are to go find their opponent and have a real conversation with them. As coaches we will take responsibility for our players. I am pretty excited about this and so are our kids.
I'll let you guys know how it turned out...by the way, we are 21 point dogs this week...we will see!
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 5, 2010 14:07:46 GMT -6
I wonder how many coaches have sat down and gone over with their players exactly what is expected of them should a fight break out? Do not leave the sideline, get to the sideline right away, what are they expected to do etc? How many of us prepare for that possibility? Something that perhaps needs to be addressed by many of us.
We also need to be careful about how we speak about the other team during the week- do we say things that might taint how are kids view their opponent? This is a dirty team, they are cheap shot artist, this war etc? Do we ever let our own personal dislike for a coach come out? He's an a$$ and if we get the chance we'll put a 100 on the scoreboard- players hear and often latch onto things of that nature and it's possible that can lead to problems.
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Post by bobgoodman on Nov 7, 2010 20:19:25 GMT -6
we always make our kids put their helmet on and look the opposing player in the eye...if you can't shake a hand, amybe you shouldn't be playing How do you look them in the eye if you're trying to slap hands? I can't. I've tried! Same here. Only works if one is responsible for eye contact, and the opponent for finding the hand! Funny, but I don't remember postgame handshakes being traditional in interscholastic sports 40+ yrs. ago. I first saw it in rugby and at the conclusion of Stanley Cup playoffs. |
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Post by CoachHess on Nov 7, 2010 20:54:48 GMT -6
when we play our conference rival, every year, we shake hands before the game. after the coin toss, both sides line up on their sideline, and walk to midfield. coaches spread out, and we shake their hand, and that's that. we have not had any problems with it. after the game, both teams head off to the locker room or to their end of the field quickly.
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Post by jlt on Nov 8, 2010 9:10:30 GMT -6
IN our league the coaches joint eh back of the queue and I often use this to single out opposition players I think ahd a great game. When we pass I tend to stop them and tell them that they ahd a good game. Or if one of them had been beat down by one of my guys constantly I give him a quick "Chin up" and a handshake.
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