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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 14, 2007 11:14:54 GMT -6
This is not a problem that I have faced before but maybe some of you out there have and I was wondering how you might have handled it.
Say you have a blue chip athlete who is getting recruited by some big time schools. You then start getting some phone calls and interest from a school you personally do not like. By that I mean you do like the school just because of who they are. Example: I am a Ohio State fan forever and ever and Michigan has shown interest in one of my players.
How would you or have you handled a situation like this? I know people would do their absolute best to not let personal feelings in the way. I know that the kids best interest is at heart. However, would you or have you found yourself maybe talking differently about a school just because of personal preference. Does it come with age you find yourself less leaning towards one school or another?
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 14, 2007 11:40:51 GMT -6
I haven't run into any kids getting recruited by big time schools yet, but I don't think it would have an affect either way...If a kid gets a chance to play big-time football ANYWHERE...I would do my best to help him out. Even if it was Alabama coming after a kid, I would do everything in my power to help that kid get to where almost ALL high school football players want to be...A division 1 (FBS or whatevert they call it now) athlete.
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Post by lawless on Nov 14, 2007 11:43:09 GMT -6
cqmiller,
perfectly stated, I could not agree more, of course unless it was Notre Dame.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 14, 2007 11:47:34 GMT -6
Are you really that small to let such YOUR foolishness interfere with a kids choice? How should it be handled? You should either resign or be run out of town if you truly think it is an issue.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 14, 2007 11:54:15 GMT -6
I wouldn't get in the way of a players future like that just because I was an Ohio State fan and hated Michigan. If both schools were interested maybe I'd joke around with him and talk some smack about Michigan but never tell him not to go there. It's a different story if you don't like a college program because there is illegal activity or something like that goin on.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 14, 2007 12:22:03 GMT -6
Are you really that small to let such YOUR foolishness interfere with a kids choice? How should it be handled? You should either resign or be run out of town if you truly think it is an issue. Wow....I guess being curious about how others would react to a situation that I have never been in would make me small. Maybe it has to do with only coaching a couple years or never having anyone that is big Division 1 talent, but I never meant to come off as though I would impede the best case scenario for my player. If a Divison 1 school comes along that I do not like and says we want your boy Im not going to say no way you need to go Div 3 and be happy with that. If i did that I do deserve to have my butt ran out of town and kicked out of coaching I never said it was an issue....It is just one of those things I was thinking about the other day and wanted to get some opinions on it. |
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Post by brophy on Nov 14, 2007 12:47:35 GMT -6
Are you really that small to let such YOUR foolishness interfere with a kids choice? How should it be handled? You should either resign or be run out of town if you truly think it is an issue. Yes - what he said. Yikes, I couldn't imagine how retarded that line of thinking is. If a DI school wants your athlete, they are going to get him regardless of what a (little) coach thinks he can do to influence them. If a DI program recruiting coordinator is going to be swayed by a HS coach's opinion, it will only come after years of working together / relationship, and that is becoming more and more rare over the years. And if you are that much of a "fan", I doubt you will establish much of a relationship with a 'rival'. wow I guess the question I have is [glow=red,2,300]"WHAT determines your 'loyalty' "?[/glow] |
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Post by oline0175 on Nov 14, 2007 12:54:40 GMT -6
I follow recruiting alot through rivals and you hear alot of stories through the grapevine about coaches pushing their atheletes to their favorite college or away from their favorite colleges rival if they have chances at other schools.
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Post by airman on Nov 14, 2007 12:58:18 GMT -6
lets take this post in a similar but different direction. say you meet coach x at a clinic and he treats you poorly. not you have johnny b good at qb and coach x wants to recruit him.
would you let coach x's treatment of you enter in your opinion if johnny b good asks for it?
also, say coach y runs acme state university program. the state part should be the state prision system for the amount of felons he has on his team. would you let that factor in on your opinion of johnny b good asks?
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 14, 2007 13:10:57 GMT -6
Are you really that small to let such YOUR foolishness interfere with a kids choice? How should it be handled? You should either resign or be run out of town if you truly think it is an issue. Yes - what he said. Yikes, I couldn't imagine how retarded that line of thinking is. If a DI school wants your athlete, they are going to get him regardless of what a (little) coach thinks he can do to influence them. If a DI program recruiting coordinator is going to be swayed by a HS coach's opinion, it will only come after years of working together / relationship, and that is becoming more and more rare over the years. And if you are that much of a "fan", I doubt you will establish much of a relationship with a 'rival'. wow I guess the question I have is [glow=red,2,300]"WHAT determines your 'loyalty' "?[/glow] WOW *Note to self: when sitting at home with a beer in my hand watching Saturday football and a thought comes across my mind which makes me wonder what others think. Do not post it on here....sorry |
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Post by airman on Nov 14, 2007 13:18:03 GMT -6
Yes - what he said. Yikes, I couldn't imagine how retarded that line of thinking is. If a DI school wants your athlete, they are going to get him regardless of what a (little) coach thinks he can do to influence them. If a DI program recruiting coordinator is going to be swayed by a HS coach's opinion, it will only come after years of working together / relationship, and that is becoming more and more rare over the years. And if you are that much of a "fan", I doubt you will establish much of a relationship with a 'rival'. wow I guess the question I have is [glow=red,2,300]"WHAT determines your 'loyalty' "?[/glow] WOW *Note to self: when sitting at home with a beer in my hand watching Saturday football and a thought comes across my mind which makes me wonder what others think. Do not post it on here....sorry why would you even let your hate for michigan dictate you opinion. are you afraid your kid wins the game 3 or 4 years from now for michigan you are going to get run out of ohio on a rail? |
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Post by brophy on Nov 14, 2007 13:19:18 GMT -6
I was wondering how you might have handled it. How would you or have you handled a situation like this? what kind of response were you looking for? You know what they say about asking questionslmao  |
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Post by Rooster on Nov 14, 2007 13:28:47 GMT -6
What is it like to have DI talent?
new2veer
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 14, 2007 13:37:07 GMT -6
I was wondering how you might have handled it. How would you or have you handled a situation like this? what kind of response were you looking for? You know what they say about asking questionslmao Certainly not to be what I was thinking was retarded.... If I wanted to be told i was retarded that I would just walk in my door at home and say to my wife "honey you know what i was thinking"  |
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Post by dblwngr on Nov 14, 2007 13:42:19 GMT -6
Bottom line- Get the kid into the school that offers him the most money for his education. Even if it's "I hate high school coaches University."
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Post by brophy on Nov 14, 2007 13:46:10 GMT -6
here..........what fiber of a thought would tell you this is a good idea/practice?
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Post by dubber on Nov 14, 2007 13:53:46 GMT -6
Pantherpride91.......what is your opinion?
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 14, 2007 14:04:28 GMT -6
lets take this post in a similar but different direction. say you meet coach x at a clinic and he treats you poorly. not you have johnny b good at qb and coach x wants to recruit him. would you let coach x's treatment of you enter in your opinion if johnny b good asks for it? also, say coach y runs acme state university program. the state part should be the state prision system for the amount of felons he has on his team. would you let that factor in on your opinion of johnny b good asks? If the kid wants to go there, I would do ANYTHING (ethically) I could to get him there...If he asks for MY OPINION of the school/program/coach, I would tell him that my opinion is just one of MANY opinions that he should consider when choosing a college, and then I would be honest with him. I would NEVER let my "Fandom" come into play (Hating Florida, just because I like LSU), but I would give him my honest opinion on the types of players they recruit, the demeanor of the coach, the personality, my opinion of how the program is run...but NEVER would I try to influence a kid away from a school that I just don't like because I'm a fan of a Rival... I think many people are mistaking the 2 different circumstances and lumping them into one... |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 14, 2007 14:52:59 GMT -6
WELL I think we have two different issues here. I think it would be 100% professional and appropriate to give an opion/guidance on a program/coaches WITH REASON. For example, "Well Johnny, last boy I had that went to "x" school didn't get a chance to play the position he was recruited for...or he was hurt and really didn't get a chance... or never was really able to schedule the classes he needed because of pressures from his position coach.... "
ALL OF THAT IS FINE.
But--to try and talk a kid out of going to say Michigan, Alabama, Oregon...because you are a fan of Ohio State, Auburn, Oregon State.... THAT is kind of bush leauge because your only reason for "disliking" the other school is just the spirit of the rivalry.
Pantherpride, which of these situations were you describing?
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Post by eickst on Nov 14, 2007 15:48:45 GMT -6
Coachd, I agree. If I had personally experienced something that a coach of a school had done, I might try to tell the player to avoid THAT coach, regardless of what program he was with. But just because he wants to go to Texas and I am an A&M fan, I wouldn't try and stop him.
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 14, 2007 16:16:47 GMT -6
Coach D,
Would you let your kid go to Alabama?
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 14, 2007 21:28:56 GMT -6
They are recruiting the kid not you- your job is to be a facilitator for your player. It's a decision that effects the rest of HIS life not yours. Your personal likes or dislikes should not enter the equation at all.
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Post by eickst on Nov 14, 2007 22:03:42 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Nov 14, 2007 22:16:43 GMT -6
wow - this thread turned gaaay real quick
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 15, 2007 0:46:16 GMT -6
What if you know the coach who is recruiting him and know he plays injured players, runs players with no water breaks to "toughen" them up, etc etc. Should you still "facilitate"? It's also up to the universities and colleges to recruit. I thought a HS football coaches job was to develop young men, and win games. Not send them into the grinder because they get a scholarship. And what D1 or 1AA coach do you know that does any of the above? Play no play, practice or no practice is up to a schools medical staff and I cannot imagine any coaches at any level or their training staffs that deprive athletes of water to "toughen them up". Plain and simple you are talking nonsense. |
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 15, 2007 9:06:29 GMT -6
Pantherpride91.......what is your opinion? My opinion is that you put the kid in the best possible situation for him to succeed. I do not care if it is for Michigan or Billy Bob's Community College. My job as a coach is to ensure 1) the kid is set up with best quality education as possible. Because as every one knows even the "cant miss" kids will miss from time to time. 2) If there is that outside shot of a pro career make sure they are playing as the top level and against the best talent to be seen. i have a bond with my players that goes way beyond any personal feelings about a college. If the kid wants to go there than I am right beside him working anything I can to get him there. You just wont see me in the Maize and Blue on the sidelines (would just have to wear our hs colors) here..........what fiber of a thought would tell you this is a good idea/practice? Where in any of my post could you even concieve that I think this was a good idea? Because I pose a question about something that crossed my mind as watching a game, therefore it must be the way I think? Come on now think about that for a moment. You ask questions to get feedback that is constructive and worth something. Not what you doing here by simply putting people down. By the way, I hope you understood my example in the orginal post was a fictitious situation maybe that was not clear. I have never been put in this situation and may never will. From the sounds it dealing with Division 1 coaches can be a chore anyways. However, I was just curious how it went with other people that have been in the situation. |
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Post by eickst on Nov 15, 2007 12:03:47 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on Nov 15, 2007 12:14:14 GMT -6
What if you know the coach who is recruiting him and know he plays injured players, runs players with no water breaks to "toughen" them up, etc etc. Should you still "facilitate"? It's also up to the universities and colleges to recruit. I thought a HS football coaches job was to develop young men, and win games. Not send them into the grinder because they get a scholarship. And what D1 or 1AA coach do you know that does any of the above? Play no play, practice or no practice is up to a schools medical staff and I cannot imagine any coaches at any level or their training staffs that deprive athletes of water to "toughen them up". Plain and simple you are talking nonsense. I haven't heard of anybody denying water since about 1977. If anything, everybody's so concerned about hydration that it's swung the other way. I hear kids complaining that every time they open their mouth at practice somebody pours water down their throat. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 15, 2007 12:22:43 GMT -6
phantom is right on. The pressure to win actually SHIRKS in comparison to the pressure of LAWSUIT.
More importantly though, regarding water..THERE IS NO BENEFIT to a coach witholding it. Coaches have evolved to realize this. Doesn't make one "tougher" Doesn't increase conditioning....etc.
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Post by eickst on Nov 15, 2007 12:31:27 GMT -6
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