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Post by playsmart on Oct 9, 2010 16:21:11 GMT -6
I know everyone wants a clean looking program. However, how do you keep everyone from swearing? I just watched Nick Sabin say "GOD {censored} MAN!". We use a swear jar but I just put a 20 in every year to try to cover myself. Although I do it... I heard one of my old coaches say that using four or five letter words just shows how stupid and ignorant you are.
How do you take care of swearing in your program?
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 9, 2010 16:36:07 GMT -6
I have to admit i swear too much. It is something I see myself doing way too much and I need to keep working to limit it.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 9, 2010 17:34:05 GMT -6
I know everyone wants a clean looking program. However, how do you keep everyone from swearing? I just watched Nick Sabin say "GOD {censored} MAN!". We use a swear jar but I just put a 20 in every year to try to cover myself. Well that really isn't the point of the "swear" jar is it? You are using it as a "pay to swear" rather than as the monitoring device that it is designed to be.
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Post by dania on Oct 9, 2010 17:50:47 GMT -6
To me, swearing is a loss of self control. I swear in situations where one of couple of things are true: 1. I am tired. 2. I am confused 3. frustrated
If my head is on straight, regardless of th situation, I can step away and asess the problem and can avoid the use of such languange.
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Post by brophy on Oct 9, 2010 17:55:07 GMT -6
When you make up swear words it becomes even more rewarding (to vent frustration)
"Gall-pattootie!" "SeaBiscuit!"
Though, whether you use cusswords or just flip out, losing your composure is never cool or justified
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Post by 19delta on Oct 9, 2010 17:55:47 GMT -6
In my younger days, I was a maniac...dropping f-bombs all over the place. I was a MASTER with the word...I could use it as:
a noun "Don't be such a lazy f*ck on the backside"
an adjective "Man, you are f*cking lazy when you are on the backside"
a verb "We got f*cked on that play because you were so lazy on the backside"
Then I had another coach ask me, very quietly and seriously, if I used the same kind of language in the classroom. Stopped me dead in my tracks and I have been very careful about what I say since then. Haven't dropped an f-bomb around kids for 10 years as a result. I still have a "sonovabitch" or a "gawddammit" slip out occasionally, but I've put the f-bomb to rest.
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 9, 2010 18:53:19 GMT -6
may get bashed for this but swearing is a part of my daily life and I personally don't believe it reflects on my education level at all. Is it something I am proud of, no, is it something I am im ashamed of, no, just is what it is, don't do it around certain people (my parents, older people) I have made a very sincere attempt to cut down on swearing in front of the kids or using different words to sub in but am not as great at it as I wish I was. Like 19delta, the f-bomb used to be a staple 4 years ago but has all but disappeared on the field since, as for others, it is a work in progress. The reason I am trying to stop or cut down is because all alot of our kids get is negative language and I want them to have an alternative.
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 9, 2010 19:19:18 GMT -6
I monitor my S and F bombs, but I throw out damns, hells, and asses pretty consistently. I say damn pretty conversationally, but if I'm animated (like, yelling at a kid or something) then it turns into "God BLESS it!" Which is better, but really it's the same intention. Also, I'll drop a "Mother...LOVER!" at times, like in pregame today when I turned around and stepped in the only friggin' puddle in the entire practice field.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 9, 2010 19:24:23 GMT -6
Is it something I am proud of, no, is it something I am im ashamed of, no, .... don't do it around certain people (my parents, older people) These two things don't really add up coach. Just saying. Also, if used it is difficult to expect others NOT to use, and they may not have a high education level, and it certainly shows.
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Post by airraider on Oct 9, 2010 19:43:15 GMT -6
In my first year as header.. The local news station did a live mic session on me for their friday night show.
Well it happened to be against the school that is located in my town, where my wife works, and where I had coached 7 years at.
It was a big game for me.
It was a close game early and was very intense.
Guys I dropped enough F bombs that first half to fill up a few helmets.
I realized at the end of that game, that if that audio would ever leak out... wow.. my career would be over, as well as any respect anyone in my life had left for me.
Have I completely stopped cussing? No... but I slow down now and choose my words much more carefully.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 9, 2010 20:40:14 GMT -6
I used to eff bomb it up around the kids, but not anymore. I try really hard to keep it clean, but sometimes a s*** or d*** slip out.
I use a** quite a bit though. I don't really see what's so bad about it. It's just something I grew up with. My dad used to tell me to get off my {censored} as early as jr. high.
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Post by khalfie on Oct 9, 2010 20:48:39 GMT -6
I try not to curse... ever... wouldn't want any coaches cursing around my children...
However, I coach with a staff that uses expletives quite often... so much so, we have generated a culture of il-conversation, and dare I say, disrespect.
Don't believe anything good comes from cursing...
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Post by endersgame on Oct 9, 2010 21:13:44 GMT -6
I'm trying to be a better Christian, so swearing is a no-no for me. I hate when people use the f-word in every sentence, and sometimes two or even three times. It's grating on the ears and I've been getting really sick of hearing my peers drop those words into our conversations in the past year or so.
To me, swearing was cool in middle school and it's time to leave that mentality behind... No offense to any members who swear, it's just not for me any longer.
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Post by coachood on Oct 9, 2010 23:20:47 GMT -6
When I want them to remember it I give it to them loud and dirty, that way it will stick-George Patton.
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 9, 2010 23:26:57 GMT -6
i trully do not feel d*mn is a bad word. I have never understood we people get bent out of shape about it. Same thing for Hell. or Hella. I am from northern CA. Everyone says hella here. Its local slang. My mom says hella
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Post by coachorr on Oct 9, 2010 23:49:09 GMT -6
In Idaho, you say the F-bomb on more than one occasion and you are fired. I have let the "A" word slip at least a dozen times and the "S" word once this season and that is pushing.
I do not however, believe that if you swear you are a "sinner" or a bad person, I hate it when some people try to make swearing a part of character. Then again, not to many people around here ever swear, so maybe I just haven't been around too many sailors. I think that is over the top, yet I am vigilant in not swearing at all around the kids.
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Post by coachks on Oct 10, 2010 7:02:12 GMT -6
Other than the F-bomb (or...the C word, N word) does it really matter? Around here, it's just what people say. You can hear most of it on network TV anyway. It all depends on context. You don't call a kid a piece a sh*t, but at some point he might hear that effort was sh*t.
Oh well.
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Post by k on Oct 10, 2010 9:09:47 GMT -6
I use Crap, Damn, Hell regularly.
I never use the two big four letter words S & F.
I don't tolerate ethnic, religious, anti woman or anti-gay slurs from the kids but if they drop a four letter word they usually just get a dirty look or "now now" type response.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 10, 2010 9:33:39 GMT -6
I do my best to watch my mouth, I don't drop the f-bomb, at all. If anything comes out of my mouth, it is a PG-13 expletive (still not acceptable) and it's never aimed at a kid.
I never drop anything on the sidelines either, if something is going to slip, it'll happen at practice where I'm relaxed because I'm away from the parents and the fans.
I will say, I did drop a LOUD f-bom this year, but it wasn't at practice or at a game. I was driving the team (yes, small school, I drive the bus), to a game and someone almost ran us off the road. WOW, talk about a string of nasty words flying out of my mouth. And, I didn't even realize I was doing it until the 3rd or 4th f bomb came out.
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Post by amthd45 on Oct 10, 2010 10:02:33 GMT -6
The tongue is mightier than the sword and the more powerful than the pen. The tongue can heal, it can destroy.
So if you are cursing like a sailor every other word, then know it will indeed affect others around you.
Regardless of your religious beliefs either, just remember we are accountable to all the young people we coach and teach.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 10, 2010 10:18:54 GMT -6
I do my best to watch my mouth, I don't drop the f-bomb, at all. If anything comes out of my mouth, it is a PG-13 expletive (still not acceptable) and it's never aimed at a kid. I never drop anything on the sidelines either, if something is going to slip, it'll happen at practice where I'm relaxed because I'm away from the parents and the fans. I will say, I did drop a LOUD f-bom this year, but it wasn't at practice or at a game. I was driving the team (yes, small school, I drive the bus), to a game and someone almost ran us off the road. WOW, talk about a string of nasty words flying out of my mouth. And, I didn't even realize I was doing it until the 3rd or 4th f bomb came out. LOL, I can just picture the faces of a small bus of country kids as you are ripping em off one after the other. I wonder if they thought you were about to have an out of body experience?
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Post by op4shadow on Oct 10, 2010 12:16:53 GMT -6
God bless all you guys for who are able to keep your mouths clean! I spent 9 years in the army, and grew up around foul mouthed parents...i STRUGGLE! as someone stated above, i do feel the words can be used in certain context. much of my swearing now-a-days is more comical; 'get your A$$ out of my huddle', etc. i told my QB the other day after a string of bad passes that "your passes today are making my face look like i'm trying to drop a massive {censored}!" kid laughed as i said it with a half cocked smile on my face, loosened him up just enough and finished the drill with 5 straight completions. not saying it's the right approach, but...
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Post by 19delta on Oct 10, 2010 12:55:56 GMT -6
God bless all you guys for who are able to keep your mouths clean! I spent 9 years in the army, and grew up around foul mouthed parents.... Hands down, the f-bomb is easily the most used word in the Army. When I was in, I knew several guys (including myself) who couldn't get through a conversation without using 2-3 f-bombs peppered throughout each sentence. Thing about the Army...the F-bomb isn't even considered a swear word...it is so easily thrown around that people don't even bat an eye when it is used. Being around that for three years definitely desensitized me to the weight of that word.
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Post by 7523 on Oct 10, 2010 14:31:16 GMT -6
What is the right thing to do when the language is directed at the athletes?
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 10, 2010 16:12:44 GMT -6
if you were teaching someone to solve algebra problems, and they just weren't getting it, would you start swearing in an effort to get them to solve it? would dropping f-bombs make it more likely that they would get the correct answer?
if you were teaching someone how to change a tire, and they just weren't giving a very good performance - just couldn't get it masterd - would you start the swearing in an effort to make them get the job done?
if you answer is "yes" then I guess keep swearing away in your attempt to "coach up" your players ...
if answer is "no" then why are you swearing? what is it doing to make the player better? how is it part of the ultimate solution of getting a job done, teaching a kid the game of football?
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 10, 2010 18:20:23 GMT -6
I just want to revisit my answer. Do I swear, yes. Do I try not to around the kids, yes. If I do swear around the kids I make certain it is never directed towards them, it is usually something out of frustration, like the way some people swear when they stub their toe. Just wanted to clear it up and also, I definitely think that some words carry more levity then others, hence the reason I have tried to eliminate the f-bomb completely but dont necessarily think a d or a is the worst thing of all time. Also, my wife is pregnant with our first and is really on me about some of the things I say in the comfort of our own home so any suggestions on creative expressions would be great!
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Post by coachks on Oct 10, 2010 18:57:07 GMT -6
if you were teaching someone to solve algebra problems, and they just weren't getting it, would you start swearing in an effort to get them to solve it? would dropping f-bombs make it more likely that they would get the correct answer? if you were teaching someone how to change a tire, and they just weren't giving a very good performance - just couldn't get it masterd - would you start the swearing in an effort to make them get the job done? if you answer is "yes" then I guess keep swearing away in your attempt to "coach up" your players ... if answer is "no" then why are you swearing? what is it doing to make the player better? how is it part of the ultimate solution of getting a job done, teaching a kid the game of football? Doen't it really depend on why they aren't getting it? If they can't solve the problem because they wont stop texting long enough to learn how to solve the problem, telling them to put that sh*t down might just help them.
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 10, 2010 19:09:06 GMT -6
if you were teaching someone to solve algebra problems, and they just weren't getting it, would you start swearing in an effort to get them to solve it? would dropping f-bombs make it more likely that they would get the correct answer? if you were teaching someone how to change a tire, and they just weren't giving a very good performance - just couldn't get it masterd - would you start the swearing in an effort to make them get the job done? if you answer is "yes" then I guess keep swearing away in your attempt to "coach up" your players ... if answer is "no" then why are you swearing? what is it doing to make the player better? how is it part of the ultimate solution of getting a job done, teaching a kid the game of football? Doen't it really depend on why they aren't getting it? If they can't solve the problem because they wont stop texting long enough to learn how to solve the problem, telling them to put that sh*t down might just help them. i got it ... so, do you swear at them the first time they take out their cell phone? or do you ask them to put it up and refocus first? do you then swear at them the 2nd time? 3rd time? swear .... don't swear ... totally up to you & I could care less which one you personally choose. but, the bottom line is that there is always an ultimate goal (teaching them football) with tons of other goals thrown in as objectives or distractions (skills, off-task behavior, etc.). focus on what the desired result must be for that moment - in conjuction with the long term goals - and if swearing is what you need to do to "teach" or "meet that goal" and it stays inline with the long term program goals then dog-cuss the $#!+ out of 'em.
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Post by coachguy83 on Oct 10, 2010 19:46:07 GMT -6
We have a rule on our team that they aren't supposed to cuss, but the f word and n word gets them bear crawls automaticly. I find that many of our players, even as freshmen, are so used to using those two words in the course of coversations that they struggle not saying them. That bothered me a little bit so I do my best to never use the f word in the presence of my players and have done a pretty good job I think. That being said I say the a, d and h words pretty regularly and the s word upon occasion.
I'm really working hard to improve that, but I'm taking a day at a time.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 10, 2010 19:52:45 GMT -6
dropped a BS at halftime this weekend and feel horrible about it. Plan on apologizing tomorrow. No excuse for cussing. Usually worst I do is a Geeeezus.
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