There was a situation like that around here a few years back.
An HC had a parent after him on the sidelines during a game; he just ignored him. After the game, the parent confronted him as they were walking into the locker room and the coach continued to ignore him. Two hours later, the guy was waiting for him in the parking lot. An argument ensued and the parent threw a punch and the HC defended himself and popped the guy in the mouth. The dad was banned from all athletics, but the HC received a three game suspension.
Say what?! If the parent hit the coach when he wasn't looking, it's pretty unrealistic to expect someone to not defend himself--at least to get out of harm's way.
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parent comes into a locker room, its the coaches place of business. i blame the administrators. they needed to secure the area and only allow in teanm members or school officials
I agree with phantom; the story is a little too one sided for my liking. If things really did transpire the way the coach states, I don't see how the school fires him. I mean, an administration has to take a look at that situation and consider their liability. If the coach's story stands, then they're looking at a lawsuit and not just for letting him go; they didn't provide a safe work environment. SOO, I imagine that there are other factors.
In the situation I described above, the coach was suspended because he really could have avoided the situation, even when it became extremely confrontational. Now, if I were in his shoes and I was involved in a confrontation where a parent became physical, I would have popped him too.
BUT, I've always done my absolute best to stay away from those kinds of situations with parents. I learned my lesson the hard way on this one... I had a parent hand me a playbook he said would better utilize his son's talent. The guy had been after me for weeks, about everything and anything. I took it from him, walked away, and threw it in the garbage ten feet away from him. BAD MOVE. You can imagine that sh-t show that ensued from there..
I mean, the lesson to be learned here has nothing to do with 'defending yourself' or how terrible parents are. It's simple; avoid one-one confrontations with the parents, especially right after games. If there's a need for a confrontation, make sure it's in a meeting with the administration.
I have been in this situation at a school. I successfully brought a lawsuit against the school and the parent.
It was an emotional game and we lost. I benched the parents kid for failing to control himself. he got 3 PF penalties for unnecessary roughness and this was in the first half.
the dad went bonkers at halftime, came into the locker room. we got him out. he took his kid. he was a treat as we were walking out he was screaming at me.
to make a long story short he waited for me as he knew I was the last one out of the fieldhouse. he hit me from behind as I was walking away with a mag lite flashlight.
the Super Intendant, principal, school board and AD had a meeting and fired me w/o due process. they were so gutless the could not even wait for me to get back to teaching.
I successfully brought suit against the school district and the parent. when I was done the SI, Principal, AD and some school board members were terminated from their positions.
the parent served 9 months in the country jail. he had a house building company which I successful brought suit against him.
the thing is when you bring a lawsuit you have to understand you are not bring suit to get your job back you are bringing suit to compensate you for pain, suffering and injury. I did not have to wear glasses prior to him hitting me but where he hit me he caused permanent damage. the trade off what him having to sit in jail and sell his company.
the number 1 rule is avoid situations with parent when you do not have backup and never turn your back to an angry parent. walk backwards facing them.
the number 2 rule is you have a right to defend yourself from an aggressor.
the number 3 rule is if you are going to get fired make them grant you your due process and a meeting with the full school board present. tape it as well. people have funny memories.
the number 4 rule is, do not assume the school board is on your side.
As far as firing him from coaching, it sounds like Florida is like SC. Our coaching contracts are not connected to our teaching contracts. Our coaching contracts are at will and they can let us go with no warning and with no cause or due process. They don't even have to provide a reason at all. And this is legal in our state. Now the teaching job is a whole different situation. I do agree that the district is at fault for not providing a safer environment for the players and coaches at half time.
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This is getting to be more common and its downright disgusting. We had a freshman coach get attacked this season for breaking up a fight between two boys. One boys father came to practice the next day and two-hand choked this coach. It was horrific to see and the worst part was that we had 100 boys out there witness it AND the local news was there interviewing varsity players...
This is getting to be more common and its downright disgusting. We had a freshman coach get attacked this season for breaking up a fight between two boys. One boys father came to practice the next day and two-hand choked this coach. It was horrific to see and the worst part was that we had 100 boys out there witness it AND the local news was there interviewing varsity players...
We have a local coach here in AL that is on Admin Leave now. He claims he was attacked by a player, and didn't even defend himself. Funny thing is, there's nobody contradicting that side of the story, yet, they're trying hard to fire him. Seems, as many of these cases go, they were LOOKING for a reason to fire him because he's (according to some sources) an a$$hole, bully, and also there was some "good ole boy" stuff going on with him and I believe the AD. At any rate, the altercation, whether he took a swing or not, was the thing they were looking for apparently.
Here's the latest on it...you can google names, and get more...http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/spain_park_football_coach_davi.html
This is getting to be more common and its downright disgusting. We had a freshman coach get attacked this season for breaking up a fight between two boys. One boys father came to practice the next day and two-hand choked this coach. It was horrific to see and the worst part was that we had 100 boys out there witness it AND the local news was there interviewing varsity players...
We have a local coach here in AL that is on Admin Leave now. He claims he was attacked by a player, and didn't even defend himself. Funny thing is, there's nobody contradicting that side of the story, yet, they're trying hard to fire him. Seems, as many of these cases go, they were LOOKING for a reason to fire him because he's (according to some sources) an a$$hole, bully, and also there was some "good ole boy" stuff going on with him and I believe the AD. At any rate, the altercation, whether he took a swing or not, was the thing they were looking for apparently.
Also...I just found that latest as I was posting....so there's the resolution...you'll find if you look, nobody ever really disputed the coach's version.
I am not the head man...........anything parent complaint I pass on to him, and I WILL NOT EVEN TALK to a parent about coaching decisions........there should have NEVER been a conversation going on in the first place.
Someone gets in my face, I'll tell them to go talk to the HC, and I'm done. Period.
HOWEVER,
If someone attacks me (which I hope NEVER happens), I will not strike them back........pressing charges is a far better retaliation, and I'm solid from a legal standpoint.
The only time I'm getting physical with someone is if they are hurting others (Augustinian thought here).
Crappy situation, but that coach shouldn't have attacked back.......one can defend themselves without throwing punches, and that is why his firing will stand up (as opposed to airman's situation, which is completely different).
Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 6, 2010 23:02:19 GMT -6
I've coached in this county long ago, this school is THE worst school in THE worst inner-city area of Jacksonville. It doesn't get any tougher in Jacksonville than this place. This school back then was one of our chief rivals.
The current staff has done miracles just to be able to field a team, but has had them in the playoffs recently. I recently met them and congratuated them on their success and even spoke with the coach in this story. Small world isn't it?
Sorry to read about this, but at least the coach didn't get hurt or worse. He is obviously the sacrifice to keep this mess down. Knowing the area, the HC and school board did well to keep it to this level of damage. Tough place to make a living, these guys have really done a great job there.