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Post by airman on Sept 28, 2010 16:49:30 GMT -6
I think last night in the packers/bears game bore a great example of when you have to let the other team score. with no timeout and 1 min 44 sec on the clock is was clear the bears where in position to win the game via td or fg. the packers had no way of stopping the clock after losing the challenge. so, IMO they should have let the bears score.
the packers qb was slicing up the bears defense like a turkey on thanksgiving. a good KOR gets them good field position and a chance to at least tie the game.
so the ? I am asking is have you ever let the other team score in order to get the ball back and win the game.
I have done it 8 times and have won 6 times.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Sept 28, 2010 18:29:15 GMT -6
Never been in this situation but I did hear about this earlier today so maybe some food for thought.
I was listening to this discussion on the Mike and Mike Show on ESPN Radio this morning and I thought that Golic brought up a really good point about why this doesn't happen more. He said that football coaches are so engrained in the thought that they can't let the other team get into the endzone that its almost impossible to turn it off in a situation where it might actually help you.
As I was listening to this this is probably where I would fall. I don't know that I could consciously just tell my defense "let them score", because it goes against everything I have ever known about football. Now, Im not saying that it is ever wrong that to allow that to happen (probably a good idea in last nights game, and obviously works for you on occasion) I just don't think I could flip my brain to think like that. In reality though it makes alot of sense in many situations.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2010 18:37:47 GMT -6
At the high school level, I've never been in a situation where the other team's kicker was so good the FG was an automatic. Probably only talking about two or three times total, though.
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Post by coachk12 on Sept 29, 2010 1:36:34 GMT -6
Like Wolverine said, there's too much that could go wrong with a FG, especially in high school ball. Bad snap, mishandled snap, bad plant by the kicker, etc. The list goes on and one.
But when it's Robbie Gould kicking for the opposing team and you have Aaron Rodgers as your QB, the though has to enter your mind.
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Post by hawk56 on Sept 29, 2010 8:13:35 GMT -6
This happened to us 3 games ago. We gave the ball back on our own 2 yard line with about 1:20 left and 1 timeout down 7-8. We let them score got the ball back with a good minute to go down by 8. We didn't end up scoring but we had a chance to do so by letting them score.
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Post by Yash on Sept 29, 2010 8:17:20 GMT -6
I have taken a safety on 4th and 12 on my own 2yd line so I could onside kick. Better chance of gettingbthe onside than converting 4th and long. I have never had confidence in my offense at the high school level to let a team score. I will take my chances on a bad snap. Bad block. Blocked kick.
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Post by jjdennis on Sept 29, 2010 8:48:50 GMT -6
(The following is a post I made last year regarding this situation.) We had a situation develop in a JV game tonight that got me to thinking about my philosophy. We were on defense and behind by 4 with about a minute to go and the offense had a 1st and 10 at our 20. We could not stop the clock so all the offense has to do is take a knee. They ran a couple of plays and scored a touchdown. This put us down by 11. To make a long story short, we almost pull off the miracle and score twice in the last minute to win. We got stopped at the 1 yard line after having scored w/ 30 seconds to go and recovering the onside kick. Here is where I am questioning myself. I have always believed that if you can't stop the clock and are down by 1 point then you should let the offense score. Now I am starting to think that if you are down by 8 or less then you should let the offense score as soon as you can't stop the clock and time will run out otherwise. (This scenario is assuming that the defense cannot stop the clock and the game will end with the offense taking a knee if they choose to do so.) Read more: coachhuey.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gendefense&thread=33131&page=1#317213#ixzz10vjFHvWw |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 1, 2010 9:58:36 GMT -6
A few weeks back, we were winning 39-30. They couldn't stop us, under 2 minutes, we were on the 15. We were using tons of time and they were out of timeouts.
Not sure, but I think they let us score. We missed the extra point and were up 45-30. They had no FG kicker, so either way, they had to score 2 TD's.
They did drive the ball down to the 10. But never scored and we won 45-30. If they did let us score, it was the right play.
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 1, 2010 18:03:51 GMT -6
This happened to us 3 games ago. We gave the ball back on our own 2 yard line with about 1:20 left and 1 timeout down 7-8. We let them score got the ball back with a good minute to go down by 8. We didn't end up scoring but we had a chance to do so by letting them score. You may have let the other team score, but they let you let them score. What would've stopped them from taking a knee? A practical situation that comes up more often is having your runner step out of bounds inches behind the first down marker instead of being forced out slightly beyond it. The "waste" down is usually worth more than the extra yard or two he might've gotten. This is why the rules should be changed to allow a defense to concede a touchdown or first down distance just by asking. Plus, you shouldn't be allowed to give up a safety on 4th down -- it should count as a TD for the other team, i.e. turning it over on downs in your end zone. And in baseball, a batter should be allowed to decline a walk on ball 4, and a walk should advance the runners a base. Games shouldn't have these funny situations where you can benefit by under-performing, going backwards, etc. |
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Post by tackle on Oct 1, 2010 23:09:03 GMT -6
How do you ask a teenager in the heat of battle to let the opponent score? I understand the reasons why, but do they? Is this something you practice?
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Post by coachk12 on Oct 2, 2010 4:24:28 GMT -6
Look at the Texas A&M/Oklahoma State game. Different situation but same philosophy of allowing the offense to gain yards, etc. without stopping them.
OSU runs the ball to set themselves up in better field goal position. The Aggies literally just let Hunter run as time is clicking off the clock. OSU sideline is yelling at him to get on the ground, A&M sideline is yelling to not tackle him.
Finally he dives to the ground with 2 seconds left and Gundy calls a quick timeout. OSU's Baker nails the FG and they win, but they almost lost the chance to kick the FG.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 2, 2010 16:43:58 GMT -6
How do you ask a teenager in the heat of battle to let the opponent score? I understand the reasons why, but do they? Is this something you practice? Yes. We go over it. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 2, 2010 16:58:53 GMT -6
How do you ask a teenager in the heat of battle to let the opponent score? I understand the reasons why, but do they? Is this something you practice? Unless they cooperate, what you have to do is make them score by carrying them into your end zone. In Fed, NFL, and Canadian rules last I knew the runner is allowed to yell "down" and the ball is dead, but not in NCAA. |
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Post by nels85 on Oct 7, 2010 10:42:54 GMT -6
I've seen a similar thing. Sometimes its not that easy to let the other team score. If the other coach isnt a guber, he'll know right away what your doing. We had a team run the ball to the 5 yard line then take a knee. Then they ran the ball three straight times, running time off the clock, purposely not getting into the endzone, just getting back to the line so as not to lose ground. Then on the last play they did what we all knew they were gonna do. Makes you feel like a total tool. I won't be making that mistake twice.
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