JMC
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Post by JMC on Sept 28, 2010 12:12:55 GMT -6
Want to know the thoughts of some of the coaches on here. Last Friday a coach in the area who is on his farewell tour (told everyone before season this would be his last year) is playing a rival.
The coach's team is down 7-0 with 4.9 seconds to go in the half with the ball on his own 28 yard line and it is 4th down and 8. He does not punt nor does he run a play that takes some time off, he runs a straight dive play into the line of scrimmage. The other team makes the tackle with 1.4 seconds left. They throw a pass and score go into the break up 14-0. The coaches team ends up losing 14-6.
The coach takes no blame for his play call or them scoring. Tell the kids they are an embarassment and that in 44 years of coaching he's never been so embarassed. Tells the kids they should have stopped that pass etc. I have no problem with this, but then in the paper he sells them out. Blames the safety for blown coverage on the pass and in then says this is the most embarassed he has ever been by a team he has coached in his 44 years of coaching!
So what i'm asking is, when you make a bone headed call, does that make it ok to bash your team in the paper?
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Post by coachdubyah on Sept 28, 2010 12:17:44 GMT -6
NO!
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Post by coachguy83 on Sept 28, 2010 12:26:12 GMT -6
It's never ok to bash your team in the papers boneheades call or not. It's probably a good thing he's on his farewell tour because after that he might have trouble finding kids to play for him next year.
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lrader
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Post by lrader on Sept 28, 2010 12:43:53 GMT -6
"if something goes wrong, I did it. If something goes somewhat good, we did it. If something goes really good, they did it. That's everything you need to know about leadership" -- The Bear
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Post by gunrun on Sept 28, 2010 12:53:09 GMT -6
Stuff like this irks me. It reminds me of this poem:
WINNERS VERSUS LOSERS
The Winner is always part of the answer;
The Loser is always part of the problem.
The Winner always has a program;
The Loser always has an excuse.
The Winner says, "Let me do it for you";
The Loser says, "That is not my job."
The Winner sees an answer for every problem;
The Loser sees a problem for every answer.
The Winner says, "It may be difficult but it is possible";
The Loser says, "It may be possible but it is too difficult."
[glow=red,2,300]♦ When a Winner makes a mistake, he says, "I was wrong";
When a Loser makes a mistake, he says, "It wasn't my fault."[/glow]
A Winner makes commitments;
A Loser makes promises.
Winners have dreams;
Losers have schemes.
Winners say, "I must do something";
Losers say, "Something must be done."
Winners are a part of the team;
Losers are apart from the team.
Winners see the gain;
Losers see the pain.
Winners see possibilities;
Losers see problems.
Winners believe in win-win;
Losers believe for them to win someone has to lose.
Winners see the potential;
Losers see the past.
Winners are like a thermostat;
Losers are like thermometers.
Winners choose what they say;
Losers say what they choose.
Winners use hard arguments but soft words;
Losers use soft arguments but hard words.
Winners stand firm on values but compromise on petty things;
Losers stand firm on petty things but compromise on values.
Winners follow the philosophy of empathy: "Don't do to others what you would not want them to do to you";
Losers follow the philosophy, "Do it to others before they do it to you."
Winners make it happen;
Losers let it happen.
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Post by Wingtman on Sept 28, 2010 13:17:58 GMT -6
You NEVER sell out a 15-18 year old kid publicly. Privately, that's another matter, but never in public.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 28, 2010 14:15:07 GMT -6
Honestly, that's a pretty good way to get canned in a lot of places..
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Post by semi-pro64 on Sept 28, 2010 14:59:40 GMT -6
As a coach I think the best thing to do would have been to take the blame for it in public, I don't see anything good about blaming kids "on the record".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2010 18:14:49 GMT -6
If he's selling out kids in the paper it makes me wonder how he lasted 44 years in the first place.
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Post by airman on Sept 28, 2010 18:43:55 GMT -6
why give cannon fodder to a news paper reporter in the first place.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 28, 2010 18:54:32 GMT -6
You NEVER sell out a 15-18 year old kid publicly. Privately, that's another matter, but never in public. I would extend this to college kids as well. |
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Post by gdn56 on Sept 28, 2010 20:40:30 GMT -6
Players win games, coaches lose them. That is the approach we have to take publicly in order to keep morale high.
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Post by coachorr on Sept 29, 2010 0:15:09 GMT -6
It's people like this who are the reason they make movies like "Varsity Blues" believable to a lot of people.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 29, 2010 6:58:30 GMT -6
I've only been privy to this once and here's what I really didn't understand about it. We had lost the game but it was a tight one against the top ranked team in the state. The paper interviewed the HC that night while his emotions were still running pretty high. He doesn't say much to the papers at all and certainly nothing about the any of the kids.
The next week, the paper calls him for a pre-game interview, asks him about the previous week's game and he throws the starting QB under the bus, repeatedly. Calling him by name, talking about the picks he threw, his fumble, etc..etc.. Now, this is five days after the game, FIVE DAYS.
Calling your guys out in the media is never excusable; period. But, if it's going to happen, you'd think the HC would have piped up right after the game, when he was at his most volatile. But, he's had five days to get his crap together and put things behind him. It sent a very bad message to the kids and not just because he tore into the QB publicly. It was obvious he was still stewing about the game and obviously wasn't dialed in for that week..
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Post by highball007 on Sept 29, 2010 7:30:01 GMT -6
Never blame the kids in the paper. As the Header you must shoulder the blame every time, because guess who gets the credit for the wins. Our header does an excellent job doing just that, and us assistants stand right by him and as far as the kids can see we take the blame and tell the kids we did not prepare them properly. If the kids believe in the staff and they love the staff they will work harder for them, especially if they know the staff has there back in the rough times.
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Post by stackcoach on Sept 29, 2010 9:47:04 GMT -6
If its who I am thinking about the coach in question has won 7 state titles. and here are the coaches quotes in the paper
"In 44 years of football, I’ve never been as embarrassed as I was in the first half by the performance of a ballclub that ought to be pretty good," "Somewhere along the line, something ain’t clicking."
On the td pass to end the fist half here are his(coach in question) comments. "We had a senior safety decide he was going to play man-to-man when he hadn’t done that all year," "We also had a senior defensive end who didn’t show up to play the first half, and then our fullbacks decide they are going to run plays out wide instead of off-tackle."
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Boltar
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Post by Boltar on Sept 29, 2010 10:32:28 GMT -6
I don't agree with the call made by the coach at the end of the first half but in my two decade coaching career, I've witnessed or read some tirades by the most successful coaches in California history.
One of the most successful coaches (300 wins, 5 CIF titles) I know would really blast his team in the paper if he felt it was warranted. He used words like "embarrassment" and "ashamed" in his interviews. He never used kids specific names but he was more than willing to let his team have it in the paper.
I also witnessed another long time, very successful coach completely berate one of his kids during a 7 on 7 game. This kid was a D1 linebacker who played for the University of Arizona. The coach said "you're the worst example of a football player I've ever seen" along with some choice expletives. At the time, I thought "I'd like to have a few of those guys"! This coach was also willing to blast his guys in the paper.
I know that these two coaches I just described were loved and respected by their players. They just had an old school way of showing it.
I know nothing about the coach in question here but maybe he's the same type of guy.
PS The Bear Bryant quote is right on when it comes to coaching IMO but not everyone looks at it that way.
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Post by blb on Sept 29, 2010 10:43:04 GMT -6
Why not just praise the other (winning) team and coach?
Criticizing your kids by name publicly is inexcusable. And criticizing the team is making excuses for a loss.
Bear Bryant also said, "Football, more than any other, is a coaches' game."
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Post by notdarkyet75 on Sept 30, 2010 13:42:23 GMT -6
The only embarrassment is the HC actions.
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nels85
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Post by nels85 on Oct 7, 2010 10:46:02 GMT -6
Maybe its a good thing hes retiring. You never sell out your team, or throw anyone under the bus in public.
"Write compliments in stone, write criticisms in sand". Good rule of thumb for the coaching profession.
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Post by coachfurn on Oct 7, 2010 14:52:57 GMT -6
Nothing good can come from throwing your team under the bus publicly. Privately is a different matter...sometimes things need to be said behind closed doors.
Sounds to me like he's a bitter old coach.....
I've been fighting mad about some things before...but I won't do that to my team.
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Post by touchdowng on Oct 8, 2010 21:14:26 GMT -6
"if something goes wrong, I did it. If something goes somewhat good, we did it. If something goes really good, they did it. That's everything you need to know about leadership" -- The Bear That pretty much says it all. I have the unique situation of having gotten out of coaching after 26 years to become an administrator (yes, the darkside!) at the same school where I was the HC that started our FB program. I've been out of it for two years now. After a tough loss to our rivals I walked into the locker room (the AD wanted me to tell our coaches that our return bus was going to be 5-10 min late). The HC that succeeded me was still in his post game speech. We lost in DBL OT to our rivals - A team we NEVER lose to. He told the kids that if anybody wants to know what happened they were suppose to say, "Coach said it was because he didn't prepare us like he should have and it won't happen again." Those 50 kids walked out of that locker room knowing their HC threw himself under the bus. They knew there were plays they should have made and mistakes the should not have committed but their leader owned it and when working with HS aged kids I think that's what needs to happen. |
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Post by Coach JR on Oct 8, 2010 23:28:19 GMT -6
It's all in how you say it, and some coaches are genius at it. Watching coaches shows and you hear "Wow! Did you see that great block Johnny threw to spring that TD run", then the next one "Well, we just didn't tackle well in that series that they scored on, and we blew a coverage on 3rd down." WE, the coaches/offense/etc, didn't not miss the tackles, and WE, coaches/offense/etc, didn't blow a coverage, those guys on defense did, and you can look them up in the program to see who they are. But it's all in how it's said.
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