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Post by wingtol on Sept 25, 2010 14:32:41 GMT -6
So we played a team last night who is having one of those re-building years and playing a lot of young guys and new starters. This is a team that has beaten us in the past and given us the closest game the year we won a district title so they have talent and are a solid program. On defense their game plan was to just have their DT's cut and bear crawl on every play. It screwed us up till we adjusted a bit on the OL.
So my question would be is that a sign that the other team has basically given up before the game started? In my eyes it was basically they knew the D had no chance so they just said we aren't even gonna let you block us or try and play it straight up. I mean we ran trap and the trap man was on all 4's six yards in the backfield as the FB ran up the field.
Does this send the message to your team that you know you have no chance or is it smart strategy?
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Post by dubber on Sept 25, 2010 15:39:39 GMT -6
My guess is...........they prefer this to you flatbacking their DL every play.
I don't think they've given up, their just trying to do whatever they need to COMPETE......
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Post by k on Sept 25, 2010 17:10:46 GMT -6
You're a wing T team? It is a smart strategy.
It is very popular to do this to double wing or wing t teams.
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Post by champ93 on Sept 25, 2010 21:24:44 GMT -6
One man's view that a strategy is one of giving up may be another man's strategy to shorten the game, keep it close to win in the 4th, especially if out-manned.
As others have said, it may be their way to compete.
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Post by cnunley on Sept 26, 2010 8:30:04 GMT -6
The majority of our DL get driven 10 yards back each play unless they "Tunnel Rat". Thats what we call it anyways. It allows us to play smaller, quicker guys that can create a pile and allow our LBs to run free. When they do their job, it's great.
We stole this from a district opponent who would put DB type kids on the DL. Our OL had a heck of a time trying to block them.
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Post by jg08mhs on Sept 26, 2010 10:46:56 GMT -6
The majority of our DL get driven 10 yards back each play unless they "Tunnel Rat". Thats what we call it anyways. It allows us to play smaller, quicker guys that can create a pile and allow our LBs to run free. When they do their job, it's great. We stole this from a district opponent who would put DB type kids on the DL. Our OL had a heck of a time trying to block them. When you say "tunnel rat", are you referring to playing a gap technique? |
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Post by cnunley on Sept 26, 2010 11:27:49 GMT -6
The majority of our DL get driven 10 yards back each play unless they "Tunnel Rat". Thats what we call it anyways. It allows us to play smaller, quicker guys that can create a pile and allow our LBs to run free. When they do their job, it's great. We stole this from a district opponent who would put DB type kids on the DL. Our OL had a heck of a time trying to block them. When you say "tunnel rat", are you referring to playing a gap technique? Tunnel Rat is just the name we gave our guys. We want them to keep all 4's on the ground as they explode through the line. It's just a reminder for them to stay as low as possible. They are in a 4 point stance with their feet under them as much as possible and their shoulders as close to the ground as they can get. They are responsible for their gap, but we have them attack the leg of the OL which they are lined up on. So if I'm in a 3 tech, I will explode flat out into the Guards leg. Best case I'm through the gap while also occupying the guard long enough for our LB to run free. Worst case I've created a pile taking out the guard and myself while allowing our LB to run free once again. |
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Sept 27, 2010 9:08:17 GMT -6
I would teach my kids to "step on them" if they are going to dive at our legs and feet. Get stepped on a few times and that will stop the leg cutting.
To answer the original question, probably their way of trying to compete!
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 27, 2010 10:24:06 GMT -6
Good question: How do you define 'giving up'?
Played a team in the past that totally changed their offense for us. Went from spread gun to 3 TEs/2RBs. Nothing they had shown on film or did again for the rest of the season. (They had been known for running the Power I in goal line) Was that giving up? Didn't really matter in the score at the end, but to start the game they had a 13 play drive that caught us off guard.
Was this giving up?
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Post by pvogel on Sept 28, 2010 15:17:00 GMT -6
i would say this is an instance where we dont care what the other team does, we just gotta go out and do our thing.
because the bottom line is that we have no idea what theyre thinkin.
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Post by rcole on Sept 29, 2010 21:49:25 GMT -6
When I was a DC I did this a couple of times vs a power running team that was far superior physically. Our DL cut down their OL and our Lb's met the back at the line of scrimmage. The Rb would even stop behind the line and hesitate as if he was thinking "what the hell?" It did look like a grenade had gone off. It gave them the sweep but we had the speed to chase that down. Worked extremely well in keeping us in the game. I have seen other teams do this on flim as far back as I can remember. Often heard it called "submarine." Shoot through the legs, get up and make a play.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Sept 30, 2010 6:33:36 GMT -6
When I was a DC I did this a couple of times vs a power running team that was far superior physically. Our DL cut down their OL and our Lb's met the back at the line of scrimmage. The Rb would even stop behind the line and hesitate as if he was thinking "what the hell?" It did look like a grenade had gone off. It gave them the sweep but we had the speed to chase that down. Worked extremely well in keeping us in the game. I have seen other teams do this on flim as far back as I can remember. Often heard it called "submarine." Shoot through the legs, get up and make a play. This thread sounds like the game plan that Ampipe High used against Walnut Heights back in 1983.... |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 30, 2010 6:52:21 GMT -6
When I was a DC I did this a couple of times vs a power running team that was far superior physically. Our DL cut down their OL and our Lb's met the back at the line of scrimmage. The Rb would even stop behind the line and hesitate as if he was thinking "what the hell?" It did look like a grenade had gone off. It gave them the sweep but we had the speed to chase that down. Worked extremely well in keeping us in the game. I have seen other teams do this on flim as far back as I can remember. Often heard it called "submarine." Shoot through the legs, get up and make a play. This thread sounds like the game plan that Ampipe High used against Walnut Heights back in 1983.... 6-2 Stack Monster!!!! |
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Sept 30, 2010 7:10:18 GMT -6
This thread sounds like the game plan that Ampipe High used against Walnut Heights back in 1983.... 6-2 Stack Monster!!!!  |
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Sept 30, 2010 7:12:54 GMT -6
Which was 27 years ago!!!!!  Coach Nickerson was ahead of his time except he should have taken a knee!!! |
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Post by coach31 on Sept 30, 2010 8:52:37 GMT -6
Great Reference. I love that movie.
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Post by coachguy83 on Sept 30, 2010 11:47:54 GMT -6
Bear crawling the DL isn't giving up it's trying to make the best of the situation. I've never started a game with that plan, but I have made that adjustment at times when we were outmatched.
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Post by notdarkyet75 on Sept 30, 2010 13:39:30 GMT -6
Doesn't sound like giving up to me. IMO giving up is the absence of effort. If they are coached to do that and they bust their @$$ to do it then their competing.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 30, 2010 18:11:22 GMT -6
Doesn't sound like giving up to me. IMO giving up is the absence of effort. If they are coached to do that and they bust their @$$ to do it then their competing. Agreed |
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