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Post by airraider on Sept 9, 2010 9:19:01 GMT -6
Well, the newest head coach at my school from last year has now left.
He resigns after just 1 regular season game, in which they lost 48-8.
He has only been on the job since Mid August.
The guy who replaced me came on in July, and resigned within 3 weeks.
I know I have beat this horse to death, but honestly, has anyone ever heard of such a volatile place?
I made a statement back last year, that he will never be able to keep a good coach. This latest guy was really good. Something around 233-66 in his career.
I hate it for the kids, and really hope the powers that be will realize who keeps getting the short end here and remove the problem.
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Post by blb on Sept 9, 2010 9:30:14 GMT -6
Well, the newest head coach at my school from last year has now left. He resigns after just 1 regular season game, in which they lost 48-8. He has only been on the job since Mid August. The guy who replaced me came on in July, and resigned within 3 weeks. I know I have beat this horse to death, but honestly, has anyone ever heard of such a volatile place? I made a statement back last year, that he will never be able to keep a good coach. This latest guy was really good. Something around 233-66 in his career. I hate it for the kids, and really hope the powers that be will realize who keeps getting the short end here and remove the problem. Unbelievable. Never heard of anything remotely similar. Principal must have photos of board members in compromising situations.
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Post by amikell on Sept 9, 2010 9:31:43 GMT -6
3 words airraider: "Let - it - go"
it's not your problem now.
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Post by airraider on Sept 9, 2010 9:41:28 GMT -6
3 words airraider: "Let - it - go" it's not your problem now. Actually it is my problem. It may not be my job, but I put 14 months of my time and effort into 18 kids who remain on that roster. These kids are getting the short end of the stick due to someone putting his ego way beyond their needs.
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Post by brophy on Sept 9, 2010 9:45:27 GMT -6
3 words airraider: "Let - it - go" it's not your problem now. Actually it is my problem. It may not be my job, but I put 14 months of my time and effort into 18 kids who remain on that roster. These kids are getting the short end of the stick due to someone putting his ego way beyond their needs. with all respect, and playing Devil's advocate, how does this jibe with the ' weird cover 2' thread? I'm not saying "you're wrong" ~ but there is an undeniable emotional connection that will naturally fester (that you have to move away from as a nature of the business.
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Post by amikell on Sept 9, 2010 9:57:14 GMT -6
Raider, You and I have a lot in common in terms of getting bad jobs. I had one to start my career in coaching. I know your situation was WAY worse in terms of admin support, but the bottom line is the same.
You poured yourself into the program, you took a great amount of ownership in it. You have a connection with the kids and the school. However, you have to let it go. The admin is bad and they are "hurting" the kids, no doubt about it, but it's out of your locus of control now. There is no use spending your energy on hatred/ill will towards this guy. It simply doesn't help.
I didn't deal with moving from my first job well at all. I have learned that as much as I wanted to see the new coach and admin fail, it did me no good to waste my time and energy on those feelings and will only make me unhappy.
Focus on what you have in front of you. Learn from the past, don't make the mistake again. Move on.
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Post by airraider on Sept 9, 2010 9:59:04 GMT -6
Actually it is my problem. It may not be my job, but I put 14 months of my time and effort into 18 kids who remain on that roster. These kids are getting the short end of the stick due to someone putting his ego way beyond their needs. with all respect, and playing Devil's advocate, how does this jibe with the ' weird cover 2' thread? I'm not saying "you're wrong" ~ but there is an undeniable emotional connection that will naturally fester (that you have to move away from as a nature of the business. I dont see any connection with the two. That was a legitimate football question dealing with a technique that I had never seen, nor could understand. But in terms of the current situation, anytime you are dealing with kids that you care about in regards to them getting dumped on, of course there tends to be some emotional connection.
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Post by airraider on Sept 9, 2010 10:01:33 GMT -6
Raider, You and I have a lot in common in terms of getting bad jobs. I had one to start my career in coaching. I know your situation was WAY worse in terms of admin support, but the bottom line is the same. You poured yourself into the program, you took a great amount of ownership in it. You have a connection with the kids and the school. However, you have to let it go. The admin is bad and they are "hurting" the kids, no doubt about it, but it's out of your locus of control now. There is no use spending your energy on hatred/ill will towards this guy. It simply doesn't help. I didn't deal with moving from my first job well at all. I have learned that as much as I wanted to see the new coach and admin fail, it did me no good to waste my time and energy on those feelings and will only make me unhappy. Focus on what you have in front of you. Learn from the past, don't make the mistake again. Move on. I understand and agree with what you are saying... but it still hard to detach yourself from the situation.
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Post by amikell on Sept 9, 2010 10:07:09 GMT -6
"it still hard to detach yourself from the situation."
Yes it is. Just remember that the more you p!$$ and moan about it, the more you'll p!$$ and moan about it. It's a cycle. The sooner you can let it go, the better off and happier YOU will be.
Now, let's all go sing Kumbaya. ;D
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Post by phantom on Sept 9, 2010 11:01:57 GMT -6
3 words airraider: "Let - it - go" it's not your problem now. Abe, normally I'd agree but I find myself developing a strange fascination with this place. Maybe it's because it's a good reminder that no matter how effed up your own situation is there's always someplace worse.
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Post by blb on Sept 9, 2010 11:20:05 GMT -6
3 words airraider: "Let - it - go" it's not your problem now. Abe, normally I'd agree but I find myself developing a strange fascination with this place. Maybe it's because it's a good reminder that no matter how effed up your own situation is there's always someplace worse. Yep - if you look north, south, east and west, you'll find at least four people worse off than you. And that place, you couldn't sell it as a movie script. Nobody would believe it.
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Post by amikell on Sept 9, 2010 12:05:30 GMT -6
Abe, normally I'd agree but I find myself developing a strange fascination with this place. Maybe it's because it's a good reminder that no matter how effed up your own situation is there's always someplace worse. Fair enough. Look on the bright side Raider. You're not there anymore. My current job is WAY better than my last job, and I probably work more here than I did there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 18:33:14 GMT -6
I've got the weird fascination, too. Especially since I contacted AirRaider about the possibility of working for him there just a little over a year ago.
Man, did I dodge a bullet on that one.
They're seriously going to be on their 3rd HC in less than a month!?!?! IIRC, that'll make the new guy their 5th HC in under 2 years. I've never heard of such a thing!
How does this school even manage to stay open with that kind of turnover? I'm imagining teachers just walking out in the middle of class on a weekly basis...
I'm glad you're out of there, AR.
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Post by airraider on Sept 9, 2010 18:53:41 GMT -6
I've got the weird fascination, too. Especially since I contacted AirRaider about the possibility of working for him there just a little over a year ago. Man, did I dodge a bullet on that one. They're seriously going to be on their 3rd HC in less than a month!?!?! IIRC, that'll make the new guy their 5th HC in under 2 years. I've never heard of such a thing! How does this school even manage to stay open with that kind of turnover? I'm imagining teachers just walking out in the middle of class on a weekly basis... I'm glad you're out of there, AR. Only had 24 faculty members there last year. Thirteen of us did not return. Four people hired this summer have already quit. There were 6 teachers who had left during the year when I arrived. On of those four that have already quit.. did so today. They have lost an English teacher and a head football coach in two days. They worst part... 6 teachers there this year are first year teachers.. they will probably leave the profession thinking that its that way everywhere.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 10, 2010 6:43:11 GMT -6
3 words airraider: "Let - it - go" it's not your problem now. Abe, normally I'd agree but I find myself developing a strange fascination with this place. Maybe it's because it's a good reminder that no matter how effed up your own situation is there's always someplace worse. I've got to agree with Phantom here; they place is such a train wreck, you can't help but watch it and want to know more. It's just a good example of making sure you check everything out within a program before taking a job; especially the administration. I only accepted my current HC position after meeting with the AD a few times and getting a feel for him. I made a few comments and gauged his responses to them; I liked what I heard, so I took the job. I wouldn't have taken the job if I had gotten a bad vibe from the guy. I knew that the program was a train wreck, but it wasn't due to anything he or the rest of the administration did. He does toss out his opinion frequently and there are times when it's not appreciated (Xs and Os stuff) but most of the time it's just constructive criticism coming from my boss. I realized in a hurry that the program struggled because they weren't coached for crap the past two years.. They couldn't even get into a three point stance. We've already started to turn things around. There are programs that will never get their act together because the powers that be shouldn't be around. The program Airraider is talking about is a perfect example.
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Post by leighty on Sept 10, 2010 7:16:50 GMT -6
So what's the deal? Who's running these people off?
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Post by casec11 on Sept 10, 2010 7:42:56 GMT -6
The principle... and as I have followed airraiders posts I also can't wait to read more.
Air, Maybe it's time to write a letter to the school board on what led to your resignation... After all these teachers leaving they probably already looking for proof to remove this guy.
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Post by airraider on Sept 10, 2010 8:52:17 GMT -6
The principle... and as I have followed airraiders posts I also can't wait to read more. Air, Maybe it's time to write a letter to the school board on what led to your resignation... After all these teachers leaving they probably already looking for proof to remove this guy. Not sure if it will do any good at this point. The super met with the guy who just resigned and made it sound like he was fed up with the principal doing this. But, an hour later the coach got word that the principal was in his classroom with boxes, boxing up his stuff. They will name an interim coach today, for tonight's game. The HC hasnt been at the school all week, and the inital deal went down tues.. why wait until Friday to put someone in charge? The new coach is "seeing" last year's Biology teacher.. who the principal had LOTS of problems with last year.. So yesterday he is dropping heads trying to find out who introduced the two... WHY IS THAT EVEN ANY OF HIS CONCERN???
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Post by phantom on Sept 10, 2010 9:22:33 GMT -6
This place is a reality show without the cheesey music.
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Post by gdoggwr on Sept 10, 2010 9:51:44 GMT -6
phantom I total agree. I know I shouldn't care and I have better things to do, but I LOVE airraider's updates. Its a guilty pleasure.
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Post by brophy on Sept 10, 2010 10:38:27 GMT -6
While there may be a desire to see the kids' interests looked after, one should be able to acknowledge that a good portion of incidents like this / attachment to a program have to do with an emotional/personal need for personal affirmation. By proving that this is a systemic issue with the principal (he's doing it to other people as head coach) it takes the sting out of how much of a csucker he was to airraider. Its natural to internalize the lack appreciation / support airraider received. We all naturally take failure and opposition personal ("did I deserve this?").
It serves as a great education for all aspiring head coaches out there - to really look at the entire pool before jumping in.
The thing is, is recognizing the trap /hole this creates ~ and temper how we look at the situation because there are things that will draw us into the reaction it creates.
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Post by mojoben on Sept 10, 2010 10:41:01 GMT -6
I hate drama and frankly airraider your old school gives me a migraine. lol It sounds like a nightmare of all nightmares to be associated with. I've coached at a tough situation before, but it is just blip on the radar screen compared to your past worries.
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Post by airraider on Sept 10, 2010 11:01:35 GMT -6
While there may be a desire to see the kids' interests looked after, one should be able to acknowledge that a good portion of incidents like this / attachment to a program have to do with an emotional/personal need for personal affirmation. By proving that this is a systemic issue with the principal (he's doing it to other people as head coach) it takes the sting out of how much of a csucker he was to airraider. Its natural to internalize the lack appreciation / support airraider received. We all naturally take failure and opposition personal (" did I deserve this?"). It serves as a great education for all aspiring head coaches out there - to really look at the entire pool before jumping in. The thing is, is recognizing the trap /hole this creates ~ and temper how we look at the situation because there are things that will draw us into the reaction it creates. This really hits it.. I went into the situation hearing all of the same stuff Im saying now... But.. young.. ignorant.. unexperienced.. I needed what I could take.. And... yound and ignorant.. and arrogant.. I thought.. "I can change it.. I can do BETTER than the last group" well guess what? I was wrong.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 10, 2010 12:24:46 GMT -6
While there may be a desire to see the kids' interests looked after, one should be able to acknowledge that a good portion of incidents like this / attachment to a program have to do with an emotional/personal need for personal affirmation. By proving that this is a systemic issue with the principal (he's doing it to other people as head coach) it takes the sting out of how much of a csucker he was to airraider. Its natural to internalize the lack appreciation / support airraider received. We all naturally take failure and opposition personal (" did I deserve this?"). It serves as a great education for all aspiring head coaches out there - to really look at the entire pool before jumping in. The thing is, is recognizing the trap /hole this creates ~ and temper how we look at the situation because there are things that will draw us into the reaction it creates. This really hits it.. I went into the situation hearing all of the same stuff Im saying now... But.. young.. ignorant.. unexperienced.. I needed what I could take.. And... yound and ignorant.. and arrogant.. I thought.. "I can change it.. I can do BETTER than the last group" well guess what? I was wrong. I learned a lot from everything you've posted about your situation, coach. I kept your situation in mind when I met with the principle and AD of the school I am coaching for now. I walked into it with a list of questions to ask them before and during the interview and if I didn't get the answers I wanted, I wouldn't have taken the job. The program has been down for awhile and I needed to make sure that it wasn't due to the administration.
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Post by mariner42 on Sept 10, 2010 15:48:43 GMT -6
I'll agree that Airraider's situation at his former school has really helped me realize that I want to make sure that the first job I take is the right job to take, not just the one I can get.
But yeah, this principal sounds like a GD nightmare, I can't believe someone like that lasts.
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Post by coachorr on Sept 11, 2010 7:19:28 GMT -6
"it still hard to detach yourself from the situation." Yes it is. Just remember that the more you p!$$ and moan about it, the more you'll p!$$ and moan about it. It's a cycle. The sooner you can let it go, the better off and happier YOU will be. Now, let's all go sing Kumbaya. ;D Well, I know it is time for everyone to be the spiritual leader on the board, but I personally like hearing this story, because I have paid a lot of attention to what has happened there and I am interested. So take it for what it's worth and let Airraider post. It's no one's business to say "let it go", kind of the pot calling the kettle black don't you think. Perhaps you all should just let Airraider post and live with the fact that there is some attachment and he feels the need to share what is going on. If anyone doesn't like it don't read it. It is not our position to pass judgement, in fact some of the comments people have made on this subject are annoying.
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Post by coachorr on Sept 11, 2010 7:28:06 GMT -6
This really hits it.. I went into the situation hearing all of the same stuff Im saying now... But.. young.. ignorant.. unexperienced.. I needed what I could take.. And... yound and ignorant.. and arrogant.. I thought.. "I can change it.. I can do BETTER than the last group" well guess what? I was wrong. I learned a lot from everything you've posted about your situation, coach. I kept your situation in mind when I met with the principle and AD of the school I am coaching for now. I walked into it with a list of questions to ask them before and during the interview and if I didn't get the answers I wanted, I wouldn't have taken the job. The program has been down for awhile and I needed to make sure that it wasn't due to the administration. This is why Airraider's posts have been so beneficial for me.
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Post by phantom on Sept 11, 2010 7:38:55 GMT -6
"it still hard to detach yourself from the situation." Yes it is. Just remember that the more you p!$$ and moan about it, the more you'll p!$$ and moan about it. It's a cycle. The sooner you can let it go, the better off and happier YOU will be. Now, let's all go sing Kumbaya. ;D Well, I know it is time for everyone to be the spiritual leader on the board, but I personally like hearing this story, because I have paid a lot of attention to what has happened there and I am interested. So take it for what it's worth and let Airraider post. It's no one's business to say "let it go", kind of the pot calling the kettle black don't you think. Perhaps you all should just let Airraider post and live with the fact that there is some attachment and he feels the need to share what is going on. If anyone doesn't like it don't read it. It is not our position to pass judgement, in fact some of the comments people have made on this subject are annoying. Are you sure that you meant to take that tone? Maybe I misread but it sounds like you're saying that those that said "Let it go" are busybodies. I know them well enough to know that they believe that it's in Airraider's best interest to get over his attatchment to that horror movie of a school. You may disagree. I do too but there's no need to call out people who mean well.
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Post by brophy on Sept 11, 2010 8:31:36 GMT -6
What a lot of folks are saying is not for airraider to drop it, but that for his sanity/health he detach himself from the internalization of the situation.
Its like a teenage girl obsessing over a guy that broke her heart. She tells you about how much of a jerk 'John David' is (and he may be), but her fixation on proving how bad of a guy he is / vindication for the heartache that situation caused, only feeds a self-destructive cycle, when the healthy path would've been to just chalk it up to experience and move on
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Post by coachorr on Sept 11, 2010 8:38:01 GMT -6
What a lot of folks are saying is not for airraider to drop it, but that for his sanity/health he detach himself from the internalization of the situation. Its like a teenage girl obsessing over a guy that broke her heart. She tells you about how much of a jerk 'John David' is (and he may be), but her fixation on proving how bad of a guy he is / vindication for the heartache that situation caused, only feeds a self-destructive cycle, when the healthy path would've been to just chalk it up to experience and move on I don't see it that way, I see it as a learning experience (more so before than now) and it has helped me to listen to what he has gone through. So, it bothers me when Airraider shares a story and then someone blasts him for it. Your intentions may be good, but if Airraider would have listened to "good intentioned" people several months ago, then I wouldn't have gleaned the experience for my own knowledge. I find it interesting that many people on here have no problem "calling" Airraider out for the way he feels after he shares his mind, and then the second someone says something about those same people are offended.
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