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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 6, 2010 10:14:27 GMT -6
Hey Guys, What is your weekend schedule..we can't seem to get it together..we have coaches that work jobs..want to spend time w/ family and go to church etc....after 20 years as an asst, this is my first year as HC and don't want to be THAT guy that gives his coaches a game plan and says that's it..I hated it as an asst and swore I wouldn't do it...but I am getting close.....Right now, we play Friday, watch tape w/ coaches at 8am on Saturday..film and lift w/ the kids at 9...we start Odk and entering and are about done by noon....we then meet for game plan on Sunday at 7AM and are out by noon the latest..what do you do? Also, what responsibilities do your frosh coaches have
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Post by phantom on Sept 6, 2010 10:26:27 GMT -6
We meet at 5 PM on Sunday. Coordinators are expected to have a tentative game plan.
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Post by phantom on Sept 6, 2010 10:30:08 GMT -6
Jerry, IMO if you tell guys to miss church by meeting at 7 AM Sunday you're fighting a losing battle.
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Post by amikell on Sept 6, 2010 11:01:16 GMT -6
We play Friday. Watch that game that night as a staff, and then we're done with it as a staff. We get trade film from the next opponent at some point that week and we will either capture or ODK the scout film that night, too. We're all amped up after games, so it's not abad time to get a little work done.
We meet Saturday morning at 9:00 to breakdown film and game plan. We're done anywhere from 1:00-4:00 with everything depending on the opponent and how much film we have.
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 6, 2010 11:54:36 GMT -6
Phantom, would never ask someone to miss church which is why I am asking for alternatives....being a DC you know the prep involved..say we meet from 5-9 on Sunday...that means I have to teach a full load..get my stupid teach prep done and then draw all my cards before Monday's practice.......Our original plan was like amikell above...but it just was a too big a chunck of time for the guys away from family...btw..family are invited to our Thursday dinners...my thought right now is to just draw up my cards before the meeting and just give them the plan...even if we changed something the cards wouldn't vary very much
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 6, 2010 11:55:09 GMT -6
We meet at 5 PM on Sunday. Coordinators are expected to have a tentative game plan. what do you do on saturdays?
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Post by phantom on Sept 6, 2010 13:56:03 GMT -6
We meet at 5 PM on Sunday. Coordinators are expected to have a tentative game plan. what do you do on saturdays? As a team, nothing. As a coordinator, I watch tape and draw up a scouting report and game plan on my own time. In our league we may also have to scout a game.
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Post by fballcoachg on Sept 6, 2010 14:32:07 GMT -6
I like our schedule this year...take friday nights film home with you friday night, pick up the trade tape saturday morning and watch it individually, meet sunday for 2 hours. The first 15 minutes or so the whole staff talks about any personnel issues then we split between offensive and defensive staffs. The new HC is very adamant about keeping the meeting at 2 hours so it has been very organized so far.
Also, we tend to call and text each other saturday bouncing ideas off of one another so that Sunday's meeting is more organized. I have never been nor probably never will be a big fan of watching film together as it seems to become very time inefficient. This schedule also allows for coaches to have family time, church time, yard work, watch college ball, or whatever they need on the weekends. As long as you can trust your assistants and or hold them responsible I think it is a pretty good set up.
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Post by piratefootball on Sept 6, 2010 19:35:03 GMT -6
We go out after the games on Friday and we usually have our entire varsity staff, freshman staff, film guys, and others. It is fun and a great time to unwind. We meet at 9:00 am for film with kids. Coaches are to have the previous night's film watched and graded. Tired eyes but it is done. We finish by noon on Saturday. Films are taken home and done on own for opponent. HC meets with special teams co-coordinators at 5, all coaches at 6 for general program stuff and then goes to work with offense as he is the OC. He talks with the DC throughout the weekend and gets an idea of what the plan is but DC has lots of freedom. Only rule for special teams and DC is "all changes must go through HC". This is blitzes, fakes, checks, fronts, etc... as long as it is solid, it is good to go. Defense usually done about 8 and Offense usually done about 9 pm or so on Sundays. Coaches come in with their game plan thoughts. Our general meetiong philosophy is this: in-season, you must be there. Off-season which is where some initial game plan stuff is done, the coordinators say "this is when this meeting is happening, if you want a say, be there. If not there, you are saying you will do what is agreed on by those at the meeting." Coaches that want more say will be there and those that don't can stay at home and agree that ytou have given them an opportunity to have a say, they just didn't take you up on it. Works great.
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Post by spartancoach on Sept 7, 2010 14:03:07 GMT -6
We play mostly Saturday afternoon. Right after the game the HC burns enough copies for the assistants that will actually watch it while I lead the assistant coaches in the post-game celebration or sorrow drowning at the local watering hole. When the HC is done, and assistants are half in the bag, he joins us, and the bar allows us to watch our game on their wide screen TV.
Whoever is sober enough by early Wed evening meets next weeks opponent for film exchange, and burns copies for the HC and the same few assistants that will actually watch it.
We all watch the films on our own sometime Sunday, then meet as a staff about 7 pm Sunday to review opponent together.
I usually have the breakdown of our film (i.e. the handful of problems we need to correct and the drills to get it corrected) and the offensive game plan done before the Sunday meeting, and discuss it with the HC to incorporate any tweaks he wants based on his film review.
The defensive coaches usually waste the entire film session on Sunday doing a Madden-style play-by-play. I make some smart-as*ed comment about your lousy chalk Xs haven't made a single tackle, how about working some fundamentals so we don't have to score 40 just to stay in the game, then storm out.
Works pretty well for us.
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Post by spartancoach on Sept 7, 2010 14:05:52 GMT -6
Whoever is sober enough by early Wed evening . . . Sorry, I meant early Saturday evening.
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Post by airman on Sept 7, 2010 16:23:40 GMT -6
8AM coaches meet 9AM players arrive watch film 10 to 11 offense on the field defense in the weight room 11 to 12 offense in the weight room defense on the field 12 to 1 players eat lunch 1 t0 2 pm meetings
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Post by tog on Sept 7, 2010 20:11:50 GMT -6
friday night--game---odk-get trades ready, input our breakdown etc sat-7am to 5pm---grade film--show to kids, lift and run kids, start breakdown of opponents, start drawing up cards etc, stats, equipment stuff, initial gameplanning
sunday-1-6ish--finalize gameplan, scouting reports, dvd's made for kids, awards and posters made, practice plans, personnel for o/d/k teams and for scout teams
that is our schedule now--my schedule would be a little quicker--but i am not the boss
couldn't imagine not working both days
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Post by amikell on Sept 7, 2010 21:04:53 GMT -6
Tog, You do that AND teach a full course load. WOW. I have 5 preps this year, and I'm stretched w/ our limited schedule.
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Post by highball007 on Sept 7, 2010 21:23:49 GMT -6
Friday night game, after game unwind at HC house. Sat morning kids come in and lift, run and watch film and they are gone by 11:30. Coaches breakdown next opponent, and brainstorm ideas for next week. Sunday is a family day HC and I usually talk over the phone to organize mon. practice and review what the two sides have come up with as a game plan. I like having the entire day of sunday to spend with my family and to watch film on my own time.
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Post by tog on Sept 8, 2010 9:52:22 GMT -6
Tog, You do that AND teach a full course load. WOW. I have 5 preps this year, and I'm stretched w/ our limited schedule. standard is both days in texas maybe not that many hours especially on saturday--I feel like after about 2pm sat we are all numb in the head but it is a fairly standard texas hs coach schedule been about the same at the places i have been--some a little more hours wise some a little less but all both days some of the smaller schools and some with staffs that have been together a long time dont do sundays at all--but i would say the vast vast majority in texas is similar to this
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Post by amikell on Sept 8, 2010 10:01:09 GMT -6
It's fun to see how standard operating procedure differs from state to state.
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Post by blb on Sept 8, 2010 10:14:37 GMT -6
After games we celebrate or commiserate together.
Anybody who wants copy of game film takes one home to watch before staff meeting.
I make exchange Saturday morning and watch our film. I then break down opponents' films Saturday (with breaks to watch CFB) and Sunday.
We meet Sunday afternoons 3-5 pm (kids come in to watch our game and maybe a little scout video 5-7 pm).
Now that I'm retired I draw scout cards Monday mornings. Used to have scout team coach do it.
The older I get the more dislike I have for meetings so we keep them to a minimum.
I have a young staff so I do most of the weekend prep work - breakdown, game plan etc. Not because they can't, just I have more time and make more money than they do.
Now tog's state - whole 'nuther aminal. Stuff like that that made me get out of college coaching!
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Post by Wingtman on Sept 8, 2010 10:53:45 GMT -6
We are very successful with this: Fridays, game talk for about an hour after get scout films. Saturday: Family day Sunday: Meet with coaches from 5-7 at HC s house. Monday: In the office at 6:45 am meet till 8. May not work for everyone but works for us.
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 9, 2010 18:06:42 GMT -6
Tog, You do that AND teach a full course load. WOW. I have 5 preps this year, and I'm stretched w/ our limited schedule. standard is both days in texas maybe not that many hours especially on saturday--I feel like after about 2pm sat we are all numb in the head but it is a fairly standard texas hs coach schedule been about the same at the places i have been--some a little more hours wise some a little less but all both days some of the smaller schools and some with staffs that have been together a long time dont do sundays at all--but i would say the vast vast majority in texas is similar to this I am the same way...can't imagine not going both days...it's funny..i spoke to the 2 coaches privately that IMO had the biggest problem w/ the schedule and they both said to keep o the schedule the same...hopefully we'll get it together...only had two games together as a staff....
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Post by pfeifferjoshua on Sept 9, 2010 19:13:29 GMT -6
We've always had games on Saturday then met sometime between 11 and 12 on Sunday morning. We would watch the previous day's game then breakdown film of the opponent and begin game planning. At 8, the players would show up and we would have meetings for an hour and a half to two hours where we would discuss the game and watch the film
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Post by teachcoach on Sept 9, 2010 21:03:56 GMT -6
I can't imagine working on Sundays as a staff, I need to see my family and mow my lawn at some time. A 48 min game taught to teenagers does not require nearly as much work as some people feel they must put in. We get it done on Saturdays and we have JV, Frosh A & B and Soph B games on Sat as well. We will talk on Sunday, but that is it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2010 9:27:03 GMT -6
We work both days as a staff, but neither day is long. If we play a Friday, as we do the majority of the time, the team comes in and we watch film with the team from 7 a.m.-9a.m. Players are free to go after that and as a staff we stay and watch film of the next opponent until 10-10:30 or so. We discuss initial game planning and then meet as a staff 6 p.m. Sunday. The coordinators come to the Sunday meeting with most game planning done. The Sunday meeting can be as short as an hour or as long as three depending on several factors.
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Post by Wingtman on Sept 11, 2010 9:59:18 GMT -6
After a loss last night, my weekend schedule now involved 4 hours of film last night, on my own to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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Post by coachks on Sept 11, 2010 12:08:11 GMT -6
What are some of you guys doing for so many hours? Tog especially...what are you guys DOING for 13 hours?
Post Game make copies and do stats (equipment ect...). Watch and analyze tape while it's being copied. We usually make 3 sets of copies, so that is (roughly) 3 viewings. For road games it's 2/2.5 hours, home games we try and get out in about an hour and half and head to the post game festivities.
Saturday. Arrive around 7:30. Show the kids film, run a bit and get them out by about 9:30. We'll handle the exchange and start making copies during this time. Start breakdown around 10:30...or whenever the first batch of tapes is copied. Get formations, personnel and base plays.
Start gameplan (basically, drawing up our base stuff). This should be quick. Defensively we draw up base against what they like and whatever adjustments we talked about over the winter/spring/summer. Unless a team has completely changed it's scheme, we have a pretty good idea of what we want.
Out around 12-12:30.
Meet around noon on Sunday to finalize our stuff. Usually we will have talked on the phone already so it's just putting it down on paper. This is about 30 minutes of good, solid, work and maybe an hour of one-liners and college football discussion.
Including phone time, maybe 9 hours as a staff (including Friday post game).
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 11, 2010 14:16:17 GMT -6
I say one day a weekend- have to agree with coachks here...WTF are you guys doing for that long? There must be a ton of wasted time...
Perfect scenario IMO:
Friday night: ODK & Burn trade disc, get beers...
Saturday: Trade tape in early am, meet with staff and do initial breakdown. Kids come in at 900 to lift and watch Friday night's film. They're out by 10:30. Staff continues with initial breakdown. and leaves by 12:30.
Rest of the weekend- Coordinators continue to breakdown, communicating with the coaches as needed. All breakdowns and gameplan is finalized with HC via phone or meeting by Sunday night. All other coaches are home with their families from 12pm Sat to Monday morning, contacting OC/DC as they work through their breakdown.
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Post by Wingtman on Sept 11, 2010 15:12:14 GMT -6
Like I said, we don't meet till Sunday night. I'm the JV DC so I work on the other teams offense and text the varsity dc thruout the weekend. We work maybe 2 hours Sunday night and an hour and a half Monday Morning.
We sont see the kids till practice Monday. Family time is all day Saturday till after dinner Sunday night. I watch the opponet once Friday night (normally can't sleep) and once Saturday then get all my work in Sunday morning.
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 11, 2010 19:59:11 GMT -6
I say one day a weekend- have to agree with coachks here...WTF are you guys doing for that long? There must be a ton of wasted time... Perfect scenario IMO: Friday night: ODK & Burn trade disc, get beers... Saturday: Trade tape in early am, meet with staff and do initial breakdown. Kids come in at 900 to lift and watch Friday night's film. They're out by 10:30. Staff continues with initial breakdown. and leaves by 12:30. Rest of the weekend- Coordinators continue to breakdown, communicating with the coaches as needed. All breakdowns and gameplan is finalized with HC via phone or meeting by Sunday night. All other coaches are home with their families from 12pm Sat to Monday morning, contacting OC/DC as they work through their breakdown. White Mike: kinda feel like I know you a little through Big M....sound to me like you guys are putting in about the same hours..just not together....I could very easily do it that way and basically present an offense and a defense to my staff each week..I could then call them on the phoine and discuss..for the most part..they actually probably would like that..my question is..is this the best way to develop your young coaches..learn how the hc thinks...are you actually seeing the same thing on tape....IMo..just as you expect kids to get better..I am expecting my staff to get better....The one thing I learned in my limited time a a hc is that you CANNOT take for granted the stuff you coaches know...sometimes I get asked questions that come from the moon....as most know we are an under team..my asst draws up under and asks is this xxx stunt....I had to ask him to repeat the question as I couldn't believe what came out of his mouth
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Post by coachdawhip on Sept 12, 2010 6:57:39 GMT -6
Friday: After the game we watch film and go home. Saturday: The coordinators watch film and any other coaches who want 2. Sunday: We meet from 2 - until, usually 8ish
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Post by phantom on Sept 12, 2010 9:22:00 GMT -6
I say one day a weekend- have to agree with coachks here...WTF are you guys doing for that long? There must be a ton of wasted time... Perfect scenario IMO: Friday night: ODK & Burn trade disc, get beers... Saturday: Trade tape in early am, meet with staff and do initial breakdown. Kids come in at 900 to lift and watch Friday night's film. They're out by 10:30. Staff continues with initial breakdown. and leaves by 12:30. Rest of the weekend- Coordinators continue to breakdown, communicating with the coaches as needed. All breakdowns and gameplan is finalized with HC via phone or meeting by Sunday night. All other coaches are home with their families from 12pm Sat to Monday morning, contacting OC/DC as they work through their breakdown. White Mike: kinda feel like I know you a little through Big M....sound to me like you guys are putting in about the same hours..just not together....I could very easily do it that way and basically present an offense and a defense to my staff each week..I could then call them on the phoine and discuss..for the most part..they actually probably would like that..my question is..is this the best way to develop your young coaches..learn how the hc thinks...are you actually seeing the same thing on tape....IMo..just as you expect kids to get better..I am expecting my staff to get better....The one thing I learned in my limited time a a hc is that you CANNOT take for granted the stuff you coaches know...sometimes I get asked questions that come from the moon....as most know we are an under team..my asst draws up under and asks is this xxx stunt....I had to ask him to repeat the question as I couldn't believe what came out of his mouth Jerry, you're right in that experience and trust have a lot do do with how much time you need to work together as a staff. Maybe your weekly practice schedule does, too. I've seen some guys who draw up scout cards and maybe write practice scripts during Sunday meetings. In our case I, as the DC, draw up the cards of their O and make up the scripts. Defensive practice is Wednesday so I don't need them until then.
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