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Post by coachbeckham on Sept 2, 2010 20:19:55 GMT -6
I've joined those Coach2Coach sites and the such but haven't had many bites (which is funny, my only bite was my first player I ever put on there my first year who is now an assistant on our staff)....
Anyways, I've got a few kids who need to be playing on the college level next year. One is a near D1 type player without the size or speed (I know what you are thinking, but he's unblockable in HS) and has been told as such by D1AA schools, that they'd offer him if he was 4 inches taller or if he ran a 4.7.
My question is how do I get a bunch of lower level colleges aware of him? I've sent some film out to some NAIA schools but the ones in the area don't really start recruiting until after the kid's senior season.
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Post by Coach Vint on Sept 3, 2010 12:38:24 GMT -6
Send out film, transcripts, test scores, game stats, and info on ht, wt, weightroom #'s and 40 time. Call college coaches as well, or email them with a heads up. Let me go a step further...
If a school in your area has an open visit day your prospects should all attend. They should bring film with them, as well as all info listed above. Kids also need to return every questionaire they get from colleges.
When I was at the D2 and NAIA levels we blocked time to watch film of prospects one night a week during the season. We only responded if we were interested, as it would be way too time consuming to respond to every kid. If we liked the film and grades we would call the coach and begin corresponding with the kid.
When you send film, address it to the recruiting coordinator. If you don't know who that is call the football staff.
The higher the level, the earlier you must begin getting the player exposure. D-I and IAA- End of 10th grade as most offers made by start of fall season.
D2, NAIA End of junior season- (Some NAIA schools start later) D3- Spring of junior season-
The most important thing is to be proactive!
I hope this helps!
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Post by coachbeckham on Sept 5, 2010 19:36:14 GMT -6
Thank you... we have them fill out questionaires (although our stud junior got a letter from Iowa and didn't list them on his top 5 list on his return/// we fixed that) .
Appreciate the help!
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2010 22:30:57 GMT -6
Anyways, I've got a few kids who need to be playing on the college level next year. One is a near D1 type player without the size or speed (I know what you are thinking, but he's unblockable in HS) and has been told as such by D1AA schools, that they'd offer him if he was 4 inches taller or if he ran a 4.7. You might need to be a bit more realistic here coach. The reality is that coaches can't "miss small" when they recruit. 4 inches too short AND "slow".... he can walk on. Contact the coaches..send film... have him contact the schools himself..etc.
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Post by coachbeckham on Sept 10, 2010 0:14:47 GMT -6
Anyways, I've got a few kids who need to be playing on the college level next year. One is a near D1 type player without the size or speed (I know what you are thinking, but he's unblockable in HS) and has been told as such by D1AA schools, that they'd offer him if he was 4 inches taller or if he ran a 4.7. You might need to be a bit more realistic here coach. The reality is that coaches can't "miss small" when they recruit. 4 inches too short AND "slow".... he can walk on. Contact the coaches..send film... have him contact the schools himself..etc. I agree, which is why I am looking at the NAIA level for him. He's short and slow, which I get is not a good combo for the D1 level. He's a D1 talent with a D3 build. So I get that he won't be at the D1 level. I'm just an assistant and also the offseason S&C coach, and he's been one of the most hard working and loyal kids we've ever had. So I want ot make sure he's taken care of. I've always said that some lower level school is going to get a super suprise when they get him on campus. I just hope that I can find enough money to make it feasable for him.
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Post by hchscoachtom on Dec 10, 2010 8:38:52 GMT -6
This is very helpful information. My question is regarding what the athlete should be doing? I now understand all the physical aspects, but what about the other stuff?
What should he be doing academically? For instance, when should he take the A.C.T. test? What score should he be getting? When does he need to be registered with the NCAA Clearing House? What other issues of the process does he need to address to be considered by colleges? Which of these issues is something that a coach can help him with, and which are things he and his family need to deal with?
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Post by superpower on Dec 10, 2010 9:10:04 GMT -6
coachbeckham, how about the JUCO route? There are several good JUCO programs here in Kansas.
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Post by dubber on Dec 10, 2010 10:02:11 GMT -6
Coach, this kid sounds like a D III player.
That division is FULL of "too short and slow" playmakers.
What state are you in?
I'm just a guy on the internet, but my experience with the "walk on" route, which, let's face it, is the only thing this kid will get offered is 99.5% of those kids do 1 of 2 things:
1.) Quit football all together
2.) Transfer to D III
Mount Union is FULL of these "D1 rejects"..........
His academics are number 1 (take the ACT soon).
My brother is 6'5'' 300 lbs. and was athletic enough to play varsity basketball. He totaled 91 tackles (like 25 for a loss) his senior year as a 3 tech.
He got TONS of letters (his academics were outstanding) and offers to come to Junior Days...........
You ever been to one of those things?
180 juniors and their parents go through a mass recruiting effort......taking tours, meeting with position coaches, etc.
I saw about a dozen D 1 guys out of the 180.
I took my brother to this Big Ten school, and as we were walking out, I told him the absolute best offer he would get would be a "preferred walk-on".........he would then proceed to get the crap kicked out of him on scout teams, and maybe 1 out of the 1,000 guys would earn a scholarship.
I told him right now, there are 179 kids and their parents who think their son is going to be a player at this school, and they will make expensive and disappointing decisions because of it.
I told him he COULD be a very, very good D III guy, and he could garner more academic money from a private college than a Division 2 school.
He followed my advice and just finished his freshman year at a top 25 D III team that qualified for the playoffs. He got sized for his conference championship ring this month.
Next season, he's right in the middle of a position battle (which is the best you can hope for).
More importantly, he made a decision for an education first, football second.........
You kid sounds like a ball player......do right by him, send his stuff out, but when the "preferred walk-on" letters come, shoot him straight and steer him somewhere where his love of football will coincide with a college degree.
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Post by phantom on Dec 10, 2010 10:24:51 GMT -6
Coach, this kid sounds like a D III player. That division is FULL of "too short and slow" playmakers. What state are you in? I'm just a guy on the internet, but my experience with the "walk on" route, which, let's face it, is the only thing this kid will get offered is 99.5% of those kids do 1 of 2 things: 1.) Quit football all together 2.) Transfer to D III Mount Union is FULL of these "D1 rejects".......... His academics are number 1 (take the ACT soon). My brother is 6'5'' 300 lbs. and was athletic enough to play varsity basketball. He totaled 91 tackles (like 25 for a loss) his senior year as a 3 tech. He got TONS of letters (his academics were outstanding) and offers to come to Junior Days........... You ever been to one of those things? 180 juniors and their parents go through a mass recruiting effort......taking tours, meeting with position coaches, etc. I saw about a dozen D 1 guys out of the 180. I took my brother to this Big Ten school, and as we were walking out, I told him the absolute best offer he would get would be a "preferred walk-on".........he would then proceed to get the crap kicked out of him on scout teams, and maybe 1 out of the 1,000 guys would earn a scholarship. I told him right now, there are 179 kids and their parents who think their son is going to be a player at this school, and they will make expensive and disappointing decisions because of it. I told him he COULD be a very, very good D III guy, and he could garner more academic money from a private college than a Division 2 school. He followed my advice and just finished his freshman year at a top 25 D III team that qualified for the playoffs. He got sized for his conference championship ring this month. Next season, he's right in the middle of a position battle (which is the best you can hope for). More importantly, he made a decision for an education first, football second......... You kid sounds like a ball player......do right by him, send his stuff out, but when the "preferred walk-on" letters come, shoot him straight and steer him somewhere where his love of football will coincide with a college degree. Dubs, I think that a lot of this involves doing your homework. Some D.1 schools give walk-ons a better shake then others. D. 3 schools do give a lot of financial aid but often that aid just brings the cost to what the'd have to pay at a state school.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 10, 2010 10:49:51 GMT -6
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Post by arbond on Dec 10, 2010 11:39:38 GMT -6
This sounds like crap - but sometimes crap is truth....
...Division I football teams feel they can coach a kid to be a good player.
What they can't coach is height....and speed.
Depending on the position, it does not matter how good a football player a kid is, or what his statistics say, or how many touchdowns he made.....or what his mommy and daddy think.......
if he is not tall enough (for certain positions) or fast enough (for other positions)....they will not even LOOK at him.
Height and 40yrd dash times are what they look at first. Then grades. Then, and only then, will they look at the kid.
Oh, and you want to get them into as many of the individual school's camps as you can - those one or two day exposure camps.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 10, 2010 12:02:53 GMT -6
arbond, that is a bunch of crap!
and 100% spot on, the truth. What a sucky business.
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Post by coachbeckham on Dec 13, 2010 15:52:08 GMT -6
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Post by John Knight on Dec 14, 2010 7:13:04 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on Dec 14, 2010 7:45:53 GMT -6
Absolutely. A college degree is important and expensive. If somebody wants to pay for his he should let them.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 14, 2010 7:57:52 GMT -6
There are a lot of factors that go into these situations and most of them are out of your control.
I coached in a program that gave a kid the "preferred walk-on" tag even though he never started a down for us. He was a big athletic kid; three year starting center on the basketball team and an all-state tennis player. But, he just wasn't an aggressive kid; he received great coaching from an HC/OL guy that's a legend in the state but he just never played hard.
He walked on and was cut within a year. 4 out of 5 starters on the OL could have walked on up there and 1 of them probably could have ended up with a scholarship. BUT, they were only looking at this kid and it p-ssed us off to now end.
That is what you're working against. If the kid can get a scholarship at the NAIAm D2 or D3 level, then I think it's in his best interest to jump on the opportunity. He'll have a chance to play early and, more importantly, he'll have his education paid for.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 14, 2010 10:04:51 GMT -6
One of the most important things we tell any of our kids who are being recruited is: Go where they want you the most! If a school is all over you and showing a ton of interest it is probably in your best interest to go to a school like that rather than one that is so-so on you or saying well you could walk on and all that. Go where they want you. Take their money and run LOL
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Post by dubber on Dec 14, 2010 11:06:35 GMT -6
I would also suggest holding off on committing until the kid fills out his FAFSA.........
There are three types of monies for college:
-Athletic (rare) -Academic (competitive) -Need based
Your comment that he "needs to have his college paid for" makes me think his need based (state and federal grants, etc.) may be high, and could affect his decision.
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Post by Coach Vint on Dec 14, 2010 22:18:17 GMT -6
I coached at both the d2 and naia levels, and at the naia level we had 24 schollies for 110 guys. Everyone was paying something or/and borrowing something. At the D2 level we had 36 schollies for 90 guys. We gave three guys full rides and everyone else paid something. The FAFSA is vital and should be filled out January 1 or as soon thereafter as possible.
Mot important is not picking a school solely for football or money. Make sure the school is a good fit academically, athletically, and socially.
Good luck!
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