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Post by Yash on Aug 28, 2010 12:52:58 GMT -6
What is more important on Saturday/ Sunday for you, Grading friday nights film or breaking down next's week film. I know both are important but how much time do you spend on grading the film and how much is too much.
Also, when you watch film with the kids on monday, how much of last week's game do you show them?
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Post by phantom on Aug 28, 2010 13:17:52 GMT -6
What is more important on Saturday/ Sunday for you, Grading friday nights film or breaking down next's week film. I know both are important but how much time do you spend on grading the film and how much is too much. Also, when you watch film with the kids on monday, how much of last week's game do you show them? We don't grade play by play, position by position. Each coach makes notes for his position as we watch the film. We believe that scouting is a better use of time. When we watch film on Monday with the team we focus on watching ourselves. We watch the whole film.
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Post by Yash on Aug 28, 2010 13:40:00 GMT -6
Thanks phantom. I have always wondered the purpose of grading of offensive linemen. I understand its necessary to evaluate but I don't know if the time of grading every player/ play is valuable time usage. I coach WR and I watch the film and make notes of plays but I don't grade it. Its frustrating when on sundays a coach hasn't watched the upcoming opponent because they are still grading friday's game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 28, 2010 15:57:58 GMT -6
Previous night's film watched and graded/notes taken before Saturday practice at 8 am. Spend Saturday working on upcoming opponent.
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Post by lochness on Aug 28, 2010 16:58:04 GMT -6
We don't grade at all. I find that to be a tedious waste of precious time that does NOT pay off. We will have each position coach make notes on key plays, and we'll watch our film with the kids, sharing with them our observations.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 28, 2010 17:29:57 GMT -6
I graded all of our film last year through the first three games and I don't see myself doing it again, unless the quality of film we get would upgrade significantly. Like others have said I just didn't feel that the time I put in to grading it was worth it, especially since the film I am looking at is not endzone quality and our pressbox is quite low. What I do now is just watch and take notes over what we did well and what we need to improve on.
Anyway to the poster's question. I think you need to find a balance between both. Ill typically watch our tape between 2-3 times (just offensive plays, so it doesn't take long) and then watch our opponent's tapes right up until I meet the OC at 10am on Saturday to start to put together the gameplan.
But if I would have to pick one as being more important it would be knowing what you need to improve on and what you do well on as a team. Seeing that your OL needs to work on reach blocks will help your sweep more than spending hours trying to formation them. Im of the philosophy that if we take care of ourselves and do our business than everything will normally work out ok.
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Post by coachks on Aug 28, 2010 18:24:45 GMT -6
Seeing that your OL needs to work on reach blocks will help your sweep more than spending hours trying to formation them. Im of the philosophy that if we take care of ourselves and do our business than everything will normally work out ok. Which, to me atleast, begs the question of: Would you NOT work on reach blocks if you were "good" at them? I'm going to work out base techniques good/bad or indifferent because that is all that matters. I'm sure you are the same way, so that is not my point. More than, what does it really matter what a player "grades out" as, we are going to work our fundamentals and try to improve them.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 28, 2010 21:30:32 GMT -6
Coach, I know what you mean and I think we are on the same page, but let me explain where I am coming from.
Obviously we only get so much time for individual so I have to prioritize how much I am emphasizing things. For example, if I have 25m for individual, I might spend 5m on Base Blocks, 5m on Reach Blocks, 10m on Double Teams and 5m on some pass pro drill (just an average hypothetical situation). Now, If I see on film that we really struggled on our reach blocks I might steal 5m from the double teams (since in my hypothetical situation we were good at those in the past Friday) and add it to working reach blocks. This allows me to get players extra reps and maybe explain/focus in on something that we have not been doing well.
Im always going to work certain base skills but if we are going really good in one area but are lacking in another Im going to steal time to focus on things that we really need to work on. Just my way of doing things.
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Post by phantom on Aug 28, 2010 22:07:01 GMT -6
Coach, I know what you mean and I think we are on the same page, but let me explain where I am coming from. Obviously we only get so much time for individual so I have to prioritize how much I am emphasizing things. For example, if I have 25m for individual, I might spend 5m on Base Blocks, 5m on Reach Blocks, 10m on Double Teams and 5m on some pass pro drill (just an average hypothetical situation). Now, If I see on film that we really struggled on our reach blocks I might steal 5m from the double teams (since in my hypothetical situation we were good at those in the past Friday) and add it to working reach blocks. This allows me to get players extra reps and maybe explain/focus in on something that we have not been doing well. Im always going to work certain base skills but if we are going really good in one area but are lacking in another Im going to steal time to focus on things that we really need to work on. Just my way of doing things. Yeah, but you don't need to grade them to see that. I think a lot of this depends on whether you're a coordinator.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 29, 2010 5:48:34 GMT -6
Agreed, thats why I no longer grade. I just take notes on what my guys need to improve on.
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Post by blb on Aug 29, 2010 6:39:29 GMT -6
We don't grade 'em. They're all we've got. It's too subjective and a waste of time.
Got this method from Jim Young, who was head coach at Arizona, Purdue and Army:
Post an 8 1/2x11 sheet of paper with base formation or defense on it. In each position is
+ = Championship 0 = Adequate, needs improvement - = Not good enough
Also post Team grades for Turnovers, Kicking Game, Conditioning (4th Quarter), and Critical Situations.
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Post by gunrun on Aug 30, 2010 13:15:43 GMT -6
What is more important on Saturday/ Sunday for you, Grading friday nights film or breaking down next's week film. I know both are important but how much time do you spend on grading the film and how much is too much. Also, when you watch film with the kids on monday, how much of last week's game do you show them? I guess I'm in the minority here, but I prioritize the time spent on evaluating ourselves more than time spent on scouting our opponent. I don't have my Wooden book here, but here is a piece I googled from an article that talks about Coach Wooden's philosophy: www.jongordon.com/blog/2010/08/16/a-quest-for-excellence-2/"...Coaching legend John Wooden often wouldn’t tell his players who they were playing each game. He felt that knowing the competition was irrelevant. He believed that if his team played to the best of their ability they would be happy with the outcome. In fact, John Wooden never focused on winning. He had his team focus on teamwork, mastering the fundamentals, daily improvement and the process that excellence requires. As a result he and his teams won A LOT."Scouting cannot be neglected, but some high school teams change up what they do from what they showed on film, so the time investment doesn't always pay off at the HS level. I believe focusing on ourselves, on fixing our mistakes, and getting better is more important. This is the process of excellence. I would also prioritize showing our own film to my players on Monday over our opponents for the same reason. It's important to show as much of last week's game as possible. Film is the best way to fix mistakes. Making players accountable for their performance by grading is something I highly recommend for position coaches to make their players better and to make themselves better as coaches. It's a lot of work but it pays off.
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Post by coachfurn on Aug 30, 2010 14:04:50 GMT -6
Scouting for next game is more important. We make notes and talk about it while watching previous game. But IMO it's a serious waste of time to grade everything. Now if you have a couple of kids fighting neck and neck to start then I think you should do your due diligence to grade them out and determine who should start for you if they are not clear cut
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