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Post by hoosier on Aug 2, 2010 0:20:24 GMT -6
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Post by dsqa on Aug 2, 2010 9:41:57 GMT -6
This is a great link. Thank you. Very appropriate.
These are the secrets to great programs' ability to reload every year...they apply many of these ideas, just by how they are.
I have seen this at work. Great stuff.
Can be an interesting study on how giving up "ownership" of these things can clash with coach egos.
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Post by coachdifference on Aug 2, 2010 9:46:24 GMT -6
can I ask what graphic design gives you that football doesnt?
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Post by blb on Aug 2, 2010 10:16:08 GMT -6
Teenagers will do most anything for food and T-shirts - and sex too, probably (I'm guessing on that last one).
However some of them have had their lives planned out for them so much, been told what do all along, all some of them will do on their own is breathe, which is an involuntary activity. Some will find a way to eat without help.
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Post by hoosier on Aug 2, 2010 11:17:25 GMT -6
can I ask what graphic design gives you that football doesnt? sure. its 2 things really. 1. creative expression 2. contributing something important to the world. the video touches on both and thats why i really connected with it. how i applied it to football/coaching is that each coach makes an impact in one way or another on those he teaches. thats how coaches contribute to the world, and hopefully, in a good way. i hope Coach Slack dosnt mine me name-dropping, but i thought it was ironic that he was the first to reply as ive done loads of work for him and QBA. so, thank you Coach for all your continued support and trust in me with QBA's branding BLB - i agree completely. if there is no freedom for a teenager there will be rebellion
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Post by miamian on Aug 2, 2010 11:24:53 GMT -6
Great video. In the book "Good to Great", author Jim Collins uses similar ideas that he relates to business, but says it works with any organization (even coaching).
Greatness is about getting the right people...in the right seats...on the bus and then leave them alone. They will be self motivated to success. If you have to micro manage, either you need to change or you don't have the right people on your bus!
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Post by blb on Aug 2, 2010 11:32:17 GMT -6
...and ironically teachers are being forced to teach the same material on the same days and use standardized "evaluation instruments."
Completely flies in the face of this research.
Another reason why teaching is getting more and more frustrating, less and less rewarding.
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Post by jg08mhs on Aug 2, 2010 12:59:51 GMT -6
Does anybody have experience, or ideas about, applying these principles in the classroom?
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Post by hoosier on Aug 2, 2010 15:01:40 GMT -6
...and ironically teachers are being forced to teach the same material on the same days and use standardized "evaluation instruments." Completely flies in the face of this research. Another reason why teaching is getting more and more frustrating, less and less rewarding. absolutely. reminds me of another video called "schools kill creativity". ill see if i can find it
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Post by miamian on Aug 2, 2010 15:11:07 GMT -6
In the classroom it means more group work instead of lectures. Have them work together to solve rigorous problems.
Also projects that solve a current problem. Examples: Science-how to plug the BP spill. Math-design the classroom that you feel serves learning best, complete with dimensions, surface area, etc that could be submitted to the district (students want to feel their work can change the world or at least influence future decisions)
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Post by 42falcon on Aug 3, 2010 9:58:07 GMT -6
This is how every classroom should work!
I have done this with our design students: "Great City" 1) engage in a discussion with your peers as to what makes a "great city" share ideas, help solve eachothers problems (time: 1 week each 50minute class is devoted to this you must write everything down to keep a log you can go back to) *we use massive flip chart paper and keep it posted in the room* 2) Using SketchUp create your Great City (Time: 2 weeks each class is used for this)
The results are amazing students create these amazing cities all unique in many ways and they have a rationale for why they did certain things: ie: one girl had a maximum allowable height on building so as not to block out the sun. Another had mandatory green spaces
In the end I take the projects in and mark them but the discussions are never graded. I have students who are failing math and science yet are honours students at this and for some reason they can design the buildings to scale calculate the area and size of the city and its structures. I look at the discussions and chat with the students who articulate beautifuly their rationale yet they complete no work in English class..........
Then I go home and ask myself why??
Awesome post sorry this was not football related but much of what we ask of our players and team is the same as a company!
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Post by coachdifference on Aug 3, 2010 10:25:25 GMT -6
if we taught in the schools what is being suggested in this thread, the country would be in a different state.
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Post by 42falcon on Aug 3, 2010 11:14:59 GMT -6
What program was the original video made with? The white board animations are awesome
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Post by hoosier on Aug 3, 2010 14:03:38 GMT -6
What program was the original video made with? The white board animations are awesome my best guess (or how i would do it) is with a faux stop-motion technique. just film the animator doing all the drawings then in a film editing program (Final Cut Pro maybe) apply a "filter" that removes some of the frames to get the stop-motion effect. then overlay the audio to match up.
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Post by coachwood on Aug 3, 2010 14:50:26 GMT -6
Great video. Thanks.
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Post by Juliath on Aug 4, 2010 9:22:18 GMT -6
if we taught in the schools what is being suggested in this thread, the country would be in a different state. Alabama? Minnesota? Puerto Rico? Please specify. Seriously, I liked his idea of paying people enough so they don't have to worry about money. I think most dissatisfied employees and the backstabbing that goes on in offices throughout the country (and in some football staffs as well) is because people are trying to secure more salary. Take that factor away and people will work together better and more often. Thanks a ton for sharing.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Aug 5, 2010 21:03:01 GMT -6
Fascinating! Knowledge is power. Thanks for sharing that!
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Post by bouncingboredom on Aug 6, 2010 0:38:26 GMT -6
...and ironically teachers are being forced to teach the same material on the same days and use standardized "evaluation instruments." Completely flies in the face of this research. Another reason why teaching is getting more and more frustrating, less and less rewarding. absolutely. reminds me of another video called "schools kill creativity". ill see if i can find it Was this the video you were referring to?
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Post by hoosier on Aug 6, 2010 15:37:51 GMT -6
^ thats the one. everything ive seen from Ken Robinson is pretty good. thanks for putting that up
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Post by gdn56 on Oct 17, 2010 21:27:17 GMT -6
This is a great thread. I am always inspired by things like this, but I struggle with finding inventive ways to apply this type of research.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 22:56:12 GMT -6
So, does anyone want to take a stab at some ways to apply this stuff to football? Or, since most of us are teachers (or soon will be), to the classroom?
I've studied what a lot of good programs do to build up their culture and tradition, and many of the lessons seem to apply: kids are motivated for success on their own and they don't really need to be told what to do because they take it upon themselves to do it.
I like the idea of just getting the kids together to play 2 hand touch after school on their own at least once a week. No coaching. No playbook. Just run around and play backyard football with their teammates and friends for the sheer fun of it. I know of several good programs where the kids do this and it really helps.
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Post by phantom on Oct 17, 2010 23:05:03 GMT -6
I've studied what a lot of good programs do to build up their culture and tradition, and many of the lessons seem to apply: kids are motivated for success on their own and they don't really need to be told what to do because they take it upon themselves to do it. . Where did you get that idea? By nature people are lazy and selfish. Getting them to act otherwise takes a lot of work and some luck.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 23:39:20 GMT -6
I've studied what a lot of good programs do to build up their culture and tradition, and many of the lessons seem to apply: kids are motivated for success on their own and they don't really need to be told what to do because they take it upon themselves to do it. . Where did you get that idea? By nature people are lazy and selfish. Getting them to act otherwise takes a lot of work and some luck. I badly phrased that. I meant that once things are built up and there's some tradition there because some coaches laid the groundwork with a lot of hard work, the momentum makes it much easier to get kids in the weightroom, working hard in practice, etc. It's much easier to get kids out, get them working harder, and get some of them to show leadership because they've built up a culture that encourages the right kinds of behavior where kids feel like their own efforts are contributing to something good. That's what I meant.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 18, 2010 7:03:02 GMT -6
Can someone link to the video from the first post? Can't get it at work.
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Post by coachwaz on Oct 18, 2010 7:38:38 GMT -6
anybody know where I can find the video other than youtube? I cant access it from school
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