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Post by dvo45 on Aug 1, 2010 8:20:05 GMT -6
Well...here the past few weeks...maybe even months...myself and another member of the staff have noticed a few of our kids that have started to wear/dress in gang attire and use gang language.
Now, we are not in a big city, and if anything I would consider our town rural. However we do have a "mini-big city" ten minutes north and they have "big city" problems...
I have talked to some of the kids, and they have I guess been flat out honest...they say they are NOT in the gang...but they "rep it"...I have talked to them until I was blue in the face that it doesn't matter if you are "in" or "rep" because you act/dress they way you do in the big city and run into a "real" gang member your 14/15 year old butt is going to have all the gang activity you want.
One of the kids is a honor student so logic would think he is too smart for this crap...
Another is a DI recruit...and the third could be a DI recruit in a year...
Soo...I need (desperately) any advice from anybody that deals with or has dealt with this situation...
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Post by 19delta on Aug 1, 2010 8:55:49 GMT -6
get the dad involved if at all possible. ban the attire in your locker room, have a dress code. just throwing gum against the wall. I think those are all pretty solid ideas. I would also suggest contacting the sheriff's department or the state police. I'm sure that they have some kind of gang task force that can give you more information and direction. If you have a problem like this, you are going to have to get the entire community...administrators, other teachers and coaches, parents, and players...all mobilized in order to confront and overcome it.
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Post by dvo45 on Aug 1, 2010 8:58:57 GMT -6
I think one of the reasons why these kids are drawn to the "gang" is that not one of them has ever met there dad...
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Post by mariner42 on Aug 1, 2010 10:07:21 GMT -6
You're in a rough spot, for sure. One of the things you've gotta deal with is that if you want to keep them out of the gang culture, you'll have to convince them that there's something else that's more important. Gangs are frequently a means of identity and feeling of belonging that kids will miss because no one has really given them that. You could try to co-opt their need to fit in and belong to something by using football to fulfill that, but I honestly don't have the first clue how you would go about that. I think the best starting point is to try to have some really open and honest conversations with them that address the WHY of the situation, hopefully you have the kind of relationship with them that makes those conversations possible.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 1, 2010 12:02:36 GMT -6
what you have is here, is poser syndrome. These kids wanna be so cool so bad. Gang language? They say cuz and blood to eachother? Ive heard every kid i know say that sinc ei was 14... just comes with the area, and 1% of these kids were actually involved in any gang activity. They see things on tv and online and want to be cool so they fake this gang look and personality. sit them down, and try and get them to buy in to the fact that the football team is their gang, that they really arent very hard living in a rural area, and snap them back into reality. Show them pictures of dead gang members from drive by shootings, whatever you can to scare them Best thing honestly would be to say, ok you wanna be in a gang??? and drop them off in oakland, compton, or detroit on a random street corner at midnight and tell them you will pick them up again in 48 hours. It would either kill them or scare them straight faster than anything else ever could. Obviously you cant do this though
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Post by bigdog2003 on Aug 1, 2010 12:35:49 GMT -6
We have started to see gang issues arise in our town in recent years. They have started "tagging" anything and everything in town. There were 2 drive by shootings in town 2 weeks ago, in a town where crime was a non issue 5 or 10 years ago. The number of shootings has been on the increase, there was one near my house a few months ago. Our entire community has been looking for ways to stop this,, but so far nothing has worked.
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Post by endersgame on Aug 1, 2010 13:41:54 GMT -6
I'm with coachbdud, these kids are probably posing. Rural area kids who just suddenly start wearing colors? One of the kids is an honor student? I live in the suburbs and there are kids like that in my high school- they honestly think they're hard if they know a few gang signs or they go out drinking on the weekend. I've only met one kid in my life who I would have believed if he said he was in a gang, and I think he might have been an honest-to-God sociopath. These kids are just hoping nobody sees through their act and sees them as "cool." At the very basic level they're looking for respect. Now, that's not the problem, the problem is the way they're going about doing it. I'd keep speaking to them about the issue, as well as contacting the local sheriff's department. You definitely have a problem here and you got to nip it in the bud before something really bad happens.
That's just my two cents.
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Post by endersgame on Aug 1, 2010 13:42:20 GMT -6
I'm with coachbdud, these kids are probably posing. Rural area kids who just suddenly start wearing colors? One of the kids is an honor student? I live in the suburbs and there are kids like that in my high school- they honestly think they're hard if they know a few gang signs or they go out drinking on the weekend. I've only met one kid in my life who I would have believed if he said he was in a gang, and I think he might have been an honest-to-God sociopath. These kids are just hoping nobody sees through their act and sees them as "cool." At the very basic level they're looking for respect. Now, that's not the problem, the problem is the way they're going about doing it. I'd keep speaking to them about the issue, as well as contacting the local sheriff's department. You definitely have a problem here and you got to nip it in the bud before something really bad happens.
That's just my two cents.
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Post by endersgame on Aug 1, 2010 13:43:46 GMT -6
Sorry about the triple post, pages weren't loading correctly on my phone.
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Post by pmeisel on Aug 1, 2010 14:39:30 GMT -6
I found it hard to believe, but a friend who would know is reporting gang activity in a town of 12,000 people in rural Mississippi.....
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Post by blb on Aug 1, 2010 15:01:55 GMT -6
I found it hard to believe, but a friend who would know is reporting gang activity in a town of 12,000 people in rural Mississippi..... That'll end as soon as Favre leaves Kiln for Minnesota.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 1, 2010 17:36:39 GMT -6
Never dealt with this on a team I have coached for but I do work in an elementary school smack dab in the middle of gang territory. It's pretty simple, you wanna "rep" a gang? Then you can go do it else where. Goodbye. If they are just posers then I can bet they will drop the act real soon when you tell them hit the road if you wanna act like that. Set the tone right away if you think this is becoming a problem in your area. Once you let it go and it becomes acceptable you will never be able to get it back.
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Post by fballcoachg on Aug 1, 2010 17:54:29 GMT -6
First impression, they see the culture around them and want to be seen as "hard" and cool and are acting that way so others fear/respect them. Growing up in a rougher part of Cleveland my first reaction is much like coachbdubs in that I'd love to drop them off and let them see that some things should be left alone and aren't as cool as they may appear.
Second reaction, I remember seeing something on the spread of gangs to rural and affluent areas and kids forming their own gangs and how these kids are more likely to take drastic measures to prove that they aren't just wannabes. So it may be best to get the sheriff or gang task force or whomever may be around to come in and talk to/scare the hell out of them. You can go the route of implementing a strict policy but if these kids are really in a gang, which I doubt, football may be there only stable outlet...I know it is for some of our kids.
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Post by dvo45 on Aug 1, 2010 18:18:29 GMT -6
Thanks for the input...
What concerns me is that the city just 5-10 minutes up the road has real gangs and everything that comes with it...and these kids all know/run together...so I would not doubt it if behind them somewhere is some real bad dudes...
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Post by lionhart on Aug 1, 2010 18:59:34 GMT -6
wingtol hit the nail on the head. ive been coaching in one of the most gang-infested cities in our state for the past 10 years. each year it gets worse, and ive lost 2 former players to gang violence, and 5 others who are in prison now. we have had known gang members on our team in the past, but a couple of years ago we drew a line in the sand. our HC called a meeting and when the kids arrived, there were two words written on the blackboard. STREETS / FOOTBALL. he said to the kids... choose one. these two cannot peacefully co-exist, and we will not tolerate ANY gang activity, language, clothing in or around our program. we have had to dismiss 2 kids in the past 3 years who just refused to let go of their affiliations, and brought that crap into our locker room. our kids know this much.... if they are found to be a part of anything gang related, we WILL turn our back on you completely. (our HC even goes as far as collecting any of our team gear from them... t-shirts, shorts etc.) since we arrived, our program went from a 30 game losing streak to now being an annual playoff contender. the kids WANT to be a part of what we do. they must choose, period. we dont bend the rules for anyone and we dish out the harshest pssible punushment in our arsenal.... complete and total banishment from our football program. believe me... the kids who really want to be with you, will conform.
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Post by davecisar on Aug 1, 2010 19:06:24 GMT -6
I grew up in the hood I started and grew a very large youth program in the hood I was at an event, my sisters best friend visiting from Colorado- very affluent couple Son is 16, white, VERY affluent- Hes sagging, spouting off all the gang slang- I offered to take him down to the projects and pay him $100 if he could survive 30 minutes I INTENSELY DISLIKE THIS PUNK BS- and his parents would not step in- deep saggin- embrassing weak gang slang- my sister thought I was nuts- BOTH parents there- both weak and unmarried of course We had observer shot and killed at practice and 3 of our kids murdered within 1 year of aging out of our program- and rich white kids want some of that?
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Post by dvo45 on Aug 1, 2010 19:39:34 GMT -6
Dave...
These are not rich white kids...these are poor black kids with no fathers...I know that one of them has a cousin who is a "real" Blood...
This is a very real danger...not just some kids "faking"...
Yesterday they just "rep'd"...tomorrow they could "bang"...
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Post by lionhart on Aug 1, 2010 21:53:15 GMT -6
dvo45.... gotta lay the groundrules before it gets to be a real problem. this nonsense is color blind and there are dangerous kids out there black, white, asian, hispanic... whatever. (and just as many "fakers" of various races as well). For the sake of the rest of the program..... step in ASAP and cut it off. if these kids bring that element around your football team, its possible that innocent kids from your program could be pulled into it or injured as bystanders. talk to parents, get involved and do what you can to guide these young men. if they disregard your warnings, get rid of them. turn your back and make an example. yes, you may lose some kids... but in the end you will earn the respect of the ones who want to be there.
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Post by pvogel on Aug 2, 2010 1:12:09 GMT -6
yeah thats tough stuff. sucks seein kids do that crap.
just try and use your time as a coach to counteract the negative influences. Just by spending time after school doing something constructive like football should help, even if only a little bit. And most importantly, that band of brothers that is your football team is also a huge deterrent. the team mentality is huge.
That is tough though. bummer to hear about it and yes it is dangerous and a bad sign that they are showin colors. continue to work at getting these kids on the right path, and realize that you probably are a huge positive influence already, whether you notice it or not.
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Post by pmeisel on Aug 5, 2010 20:19:30 GMT -6
blb -- no, a couple hours north of there, but thanks for the chuckle!
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Post by airman on Aug 6, 2010 17:49:40 GMT -6
gangs are like a cancer. if allowed to grow they will take over a school. sad thing is most times the cancer has spread a great deal before people see it or in most cases are willing to admit it.
I was at a school that failed to admit they had a gang problem. It took them the better part of 5 years to clamp down on it after they admitted to it.
one of the things we did was ban colors. you get caught wearing colors you get extra conditioning.
the reality it though there is not much one can do if the school district and town do not want to admit they have a gang problem.
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Post by tchsoc on Aug 6, 2010 19:21:40 GMT -6
I found it hard to believe, but a friend who would know is reporting gang activity in a town of 12,000 people in rural Mississippi..... Unfortunatly that is true in a large portion of the state. You wouldn't believe the staff development we have to take part in on top of the other because of it. Population means nothing when a community is infiltrated by this problem. What bothers me is the media... Used to love the history channel but everytime I look over there gangland is on.... Society has been a major factor in making kids feel like a gang is ok and not a bad thing.
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