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Post by hlb2 on Jul 21, 2010 21:23:21 GMT -6
Currently we watch game film of our previous games on Sat. mornings for 2 hrs. with the players. We grade the film and discuss what we need to get better at for the upcoming week. On Mondays we usually watch a 1/2 of our opponent, hopefully facing a similar defense to ours (can't do offense since we are only 1 of 2 flexbone teams in the area). We discuss the game plan and how we plan on attacking our opponent. My question to you is, is this too much or too little. I'm following what I learned as an assistant, so it's all I know. I have an assistant who was on another staff that said at most they showed their players 10 min. of their game film, and no game film of the opponent. Just wanted to see what everyone else was doing.
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Post by superpower on Jul 22, 2010 4:47:36 GMT -6
We do almost exactly what you are doing, and it seems like the right amount for us.
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Post by fbcoach33 on Jul 22, 2010 6:55:11 GMT -6
we review our own game film on sat. morning for about an hour, and watch maybe 10 15 minutes of opponent on monday, key plays situations etc. but we do make copies of the games and the kids take them home. we know some do not watch them but we always have a core group of kids that cant get enough of watching them and can then make our checks etc.
we have preferred to just get the kids out on the practice fields on monday and walk through stuff and get them home early at least one day during the week.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jul 22, 2010 9:58:42 GMT -6
fbcoach33, do you do scouting report meeting with the kids on Monday? This is something I have wondered about the value of doing with high school kids.
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Jul 22, 2010 10:17:21 GMT -6
We rarely show our kids the film of our games. However, we watch our practices every morning in install. We also make cut-up dvds of the upcoming opponent for the players to watch on their own time as well as watching some trade film in install meetings with the kids. We concentrate much more on the upcoming opponent than our previous game.
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Post by rpetrie on Jul 22, 2010 10:47:58 GMT -6
We rarely show our kids the film of our games. I don't understand the reasoning...if your filming your own game...why wouldn't you show it to the kids? To me it does the following... 1. Allows them to see 1st hand the right/wrong things that make individual actions reflect on team performance. 2. Gives the kids motivation to perform because they know...come Monday they can see it again on the "big screen." We use Smart Boards so it has that affect. 3. Gives other kids motivation to push themselves & team-mates in practice to get into games so they can fall into reason #2. Sometimes it is better to look backwards BEFORE moving forwards and kids often are better visual learners. But back to the original post...we show our game on Mondays (in full). Our upcoming opponent film is shown on Tuesday and/or Wednesday (30 minute sessions)...depending on the quality and how closely related the schemes are to what we do. On Saturdays we are going to go through specific clips of opponents (quiz format). Now that we have HUDL it should go well...15 minutes of specific formations & tendencies to look for. |
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Post by norcaldiaz on Jul 22, 2010 11:46:45 GMT -6
HC is real big on giving players family time on weekends, so we don not have them come in at all. We watch our previous film on Mondays, and watch our upcoming opponents Monday-Thurs for about 30 min each day at lunch while eating.
Also helps keep our kids from hanging out with other knuckleheads on campus who are not in the program...
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Post by bluboy on Jul 22, 2010 11:59:04 GMT -6
We watch the film of our game for about an hour after our workout on Saturday(with players). During the week have kids watch opponent's film for about 20 minutes after practice on Tuesday and Wednesday. Kids can come to coaches office and watch opponent during their lunch or study hall. It seems to work for us.
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Jul 22, 2010 15:05:29 GMT -6
We rarely show our kids the film of our games. I don't understand the reasoning...if your filming your own game...why wouldn't you show it to the kids? To me it does the following... 1. Allows them to see 1st hand the right/wrong things that make individual actions reflect on team performance. 2. Gives the kids motivation to perform because they know...come Monday they can see it again on the "big screen." We use Smart Boards so it has that affect. 3. Gives other kids motivation to push themselves & team-mates in practice to get into games so they can fall into reason #2. Sometimes it is better to look backwards BEFORE moving forwards and kids often are better visual learners. But back to the original post...we show our game on Mondays (in full). Our upcoming opponent film is shown on Tuesday and/or Wednesday (30 minute sessions)...depending on the quality and how closely related the schemes are to what we do. On Saturdays we are going to go through specific clips of opponents (quiz format). Now that we have HUDL it should go well...15 minutes of specific formations & tendencies to look for. It just doesn't fit with our plan. Our position coaches make notes on their players from the game, and may meet with that player to go over a few plays if there is some pressing concern and show film of those plays. In my experience, showing the entire game to the entire team is not efficient. For example, you may have an OL coach go on for five minutes about a blocking assignment on a particular play. A DB probably cares nothing about this and is likely not even listening. We've wasted 5 minutes of that DBs time. Think of similar situations in an hour or two-hour film session on a Monday. The kids that are not involved are more likely to be disruptive, and hurt the ones that need the info. We feel this is not an efficient use of time. Coaches watch and grade the game film, give the reports to players, meet individually before or after practice or after Saturday lifting and watch a few clips that are specific to them. This is what works for us. |
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Post by jrarick on Jul 22, 2010 17:37:18 GMT -6
Coach! Everyone does what works for them - but we do a couple of things a little bit differently. 1) We spend a lot of effort on our own film - especially on offense - correcting our mistakes. Video on the net - or on DVD - is given to each player with printed notes. 2) We will spend a few minutes with our opponent's last game - but more often than not we watch LAST year's game film of this week's opponent. They will defend us the same way and attack us the same way. Now, if they have a new head coach or went to something different we will not spend this time. Hope this helps! Jack Rarick Holt Football www.coachsvideoassistant.com |
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Post by phantom on Jul 22, 2010 18:57:47 GMT -6
I don't understand the reasoning...if your filming your own game...why wouldn't you show it to the kids? To me it does the following... 1. Allows them to see 1st hand the right/wrong things that make individual actions reflect on team performance. 2. Gives the kids motivation to perform because they know...come Monday they can see it again on the "big screen." We use Smart Boards so it has that affect. 3. Gives other kids motivation to push themselves & team-mates in practice to get into games so they can fall into reason #2. Sometimes it is better to look backwards BEFORE moving forwards and kids often are better visual learners. But back to the original post...we show our game on Mondays (in full). Our upcoming opponent film is shown on Tuesday and/or Wednesday (30 minute sessions)...depending on the quality and how closely related the schemes are to what we do. On Saturdays we are going to go through specific clips of opponents (quiz format). Now that we have HUDL it should go well...15 minutes of specific formations & tendencies to look for. It just doesn't fit with our plan. Our position coaches make notes on their players from the game, and may meet with that player to go over a few plays if there is some pressing concern and show film of those plays. In my experience, showing the entire game to the entire team is not efficient. For example, you may have an OL coach go on for five minutes about a blocking assignment on a particular play. A DB probably cares nothing about this and is likely not even listening. We've wasted 5 minutes of that DBs time. Think of similar situations in an hour or two-hour film session on a Monday. The kids that are not involved are more likely to be disruptive, and hurt the ones that need the info. We feel this is not an efficient use of time. Coaches watch and grade the game film, give the reports to players, meet individually before or after practice or after Saturday lifting and watch a few clips that are specific to them. This is what works for us. If it works for you fine but I completely disagree with this approach. IMO, film is the best teaching tool that we have. If you don't want to show the whole film to the whole team that's fine but I believe that either break it up offense/defense or by positions. I don't see any sense filming if we're not going to show it, though. |
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Jul 22, 2010 20:22:16 GMT -6
I don't see any sense filming if we're not going to show it, though. We tape it because the coaches watch it the day after the game, grade it, and take things from it to share with players. We use it for our off-season quality control and use it the following year (as cut-ups) to install our schemes and concepts. Also, assuming the concepts are the same, we use it the following year for game week film for our scouting reports. |
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Post by rpetrie on Jul 22, 2010 21:05:21 GMT -6
It just doesn't fit with our plan. Our position coaches make notes on their players from the game, and may meet with that player to go over a few plays if there is some pressing concern and show film of those plays. In my experience, showing the entire game to the entire team is not efficient. For example, you may have an OL coach go on for five minutes about a blocking assignment on a particular play. A DB probably cares nothing about this and is likely not even listening. We've wasted 5 minutes of that DBs time. Think of similar situations in an hour or two-hour film session on a Monday. The kids that are not involved are more likely to be disruptive, and hurt the ones that need the info. To clarify...we don't spend an hour with the entire team. 30 minutes linemen/30 minutes skills. Offense & defense comments are scripted. As the HC...I run the film sessions with 1 group while another coach has the other group lifting. On Fridays after walk-throughs the team watches the entire game at someone's house as a pre-game dinner gathering. If a line coach wants to go off on a 5 minute tangent about a specific blocking scheme...and that creates a better understanding & execution...then it is 5 minutes well spent. We'll sacrafice a whole game to hit the main points with each group. I just feel strongly that HS kids are visual learners and film is the best teaching tool there is. Regardless...kids deserve the opportunity to view their effort/progress. JMO |
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Post by hlb2 on Jul 23, 2010 6:30:00 GMT -6
What about film of your opponent for the upcoming week?
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Post by rpetrie on Jul 23, 2010 10:16:11 GMT -6
Wed. - 30/30 split again with 2 groups...opponents film/lift
If we get 2 good films then we show more on Tues or Thursday (30 minutes)
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Post by fbcoach33 on Jul 23, 2010 10:18:12 GMT -6
IN response to a above question, we do a very simple scouting report, we use digital scout when breaking things down, all we do is take a copy of the formation breakdowns, and in pen jot down any checks we for each formation on the sheet, and then run off copies, takes 5 minutes, no big scouting report, I found it took much key time early in the week when time is so scarce to start with
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Post by fbcoach33 on Jul 23, 2010 10:18:51 GMT -6
IN response to a above question, we do a very simple scouting report, we use digital scout when breaking things down, all we do is take a copy of the formation breakdowns, and in pen jot down any checks we for each formation on the sheet, and then run off copies, takes 5 minutes, no big scouting report, I found it took much key time early in the week when time is so scarce to start with
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Post by dirtybird13 on Jul 23, 2010 11:25:20 GMT -6
To any and all that have said that Film is one of the most important tools that we/the plahers have... I agree whole heartedly. A good example is if in a given day an NFL player spends 10 hours at his teams facility, the VAST majority of this time is spent in the film room. Two hours on the field (if that), likewise for the weight room, and then the rest of the time is in meetings with either his unit, or his position coach.
This being said, I'm going to have to jump in somewhere close to what Nick33 has said. Our Coaching Staff meets Saturday morning to break our own game down, and make any notes we need to make. Corrections on O or D are oftentimes left up to the position Coach to handle, and you had better believe we are expected to handle them. I like to try and get in fifteen minutes of concise film study with my position (TE's), highlighting 3-5 Good, and 3-5 bad(This is why you beat him here, but this is why you lost the fight on this play.) This is not always able to happen, but I am speaking ideally. We do not watch the entire game as a team where I am... High school players oftentimes do not have the correct mentality to watch as a group, too much focus on the "SportsCenter" moments and mistakes rather than using it for the tool it is. I wish they had the mentality, and work ethic with film that the big boys have, but this is one of the times where I feel I must remind myself that they're still boys. Now before you blast me saying that is the the fault of the Coaching Staff, let me say this. After watching Special Teams with everyone, we break up into Offense and Defense for our morning install. We believe firmly that special teams is the foundation of what we do, so no matter who you are you're there for that. I'm not sure what our Defense does, but I believe the spend most of their time going over who is coming up. First and foremost we (the O) put in our gameplan for the week. Then after this, sometimes on the second day, our offense will break into RB's/OL, and Skill groupings. Skill goes with the HC into his office with their respective Coaches, the RB's/OL remain in the main meeting room with their respective coaches. Then we review the previous weeks game. The skill guys look primarily at the passing game(unless a WR needs to see his lack of effort on run blocking, or exceptional effort in run blocking as a teaching tool), and the RB's/OL looks at both. As a TE's coach I float wherever I think we need the most work from the week before. We tend to be with the OL/RB's earlier in the season, and with the Skill guys later... I try hard to instill the mentality of "No block, no rock" with my guys.
We will oftentimes look at the cutups we have of our weeks opponent during this time as well. I guess what I'm getting at is that our film sessions are pretty versatile, but we do focus more on getting onto the field and getting prepared for the upcoming opponent rather than looking back. Position Coaches, handle your position, but as a team it's on to the next one.
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Post by coacheagle on Jul 23, 2010 11:40:07 GMT -6
We watch/grade our film with kids Saturday morning. We also watch film at lunch with the kids for about 30 minutes each day. I believe this really helps us - kids picked up a lot of keys for themselves which helped them during the game.
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