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Post by mariner42 on Jul 20, 2010 17:12:18 GMT -6
So I was getting lectured by our head coach, which isn't unusual, for mentioning our new ability to email specific cutups of the bad guys to our players via our DSV upgrade. Our HC is firmly of the philosophy that the vast majority of our time watching film should be spent watching US, not THEM. I'm not disagreeing by any means because I think he has a great point/philosophy when he says that our worst enemy has been and will always be US. I'm by no means an expert on film and how to watch it and the various ways it can be watched and in what order and all that jazz, I'm still in the developmental phase of my coaching life, nothing's set in stone.
So I'm curious, what's your philosophy on watching film? How much of it is spent dissecting yourselves vs the opponent? Do you consciously do things a certain way or is it just "the way you've done it"? I'm not so interested in the d!ck waving of "I watch 18 hours of ourselves on Saturday and 25 hours of our opponents of Sunday" stuff, but what % of your total time spent on film would you say goes towards finding and fixing YOUR mistakes vs the bad guys?
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Post by cqmiller on Jul 20, 2010 18:32:53 GMT -6
As a Coordinator, I spend about 50% on each. Friday night to Saturday night, it is all about watching us and seeing what we need to improve upon from the previous week. Sunday is the day I spend watching the opponents. Looking for D&D tendencies, players to attack, players to watch out for, etc...
For the players, I would say that it should be about 90% us, 10% them. The 10% of watching them is so that the players can see the team they are facing, understand what they are trying to do, who they are trying to get the ball to, etc... Just a general idea. 90% should be on improving their stance, start, steps, technique, assignments, etc... Improving yourself is all that you can control as a player. As a coordinator, I need to try and find a way to put my players in advantageous situations, so I watch them more than the other coaches should.
Position coaches should be about 75% us, 25% them IMO. Figure out what you need to correct with your position group, and see if there is a particular technique an opponent uses that you should address during the week. I believe that the OC & DC should focus on the opponent more than anyone else, but it should still only be about 50% at the most.
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Post by phantom on Jul 20, 2010 20:16:04 GMT -6
The coaches watch our film on Sunday. On Monday we show the players our film and maybe a little of the opponent. After that the focus in watching film is entirely on the other guy.
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Post by lochness on Jul 20, 2010 20:22:48 GMT -6
"Know your enemy and know yourself and victory will always be yours."
We spend equal time on both. I watch more of US on the weekend, and I watch tons on THEM during the week to help refine the game plan and solidify personnel matchups, tendancies, keys, etc.
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Post by unc31 on Jul 20, 2010 20:38:39 GMT -6
Beyond Monday you better be watching the opponent if you want to be ready. Each week presents a new set of problems and solutions. Saturday morning or Monday is "watch us" and make corrections. Anything beyond that has to be focused on the next challenge.
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Post by jrarick on Jul 22, 2010 17:40:53 GMT -6
Coaches! How about watching US and THEM? Watch last year's game film. Just an idea. Works for us. Jack Rarick Holt Football www.coachsvideoassistant.com |
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Post by ogre5530 on Jul 22, 2010 21:10:32 GMT -6
On offense we probably spend about 70% of the time watching us and 30% watching our next opponent. It takes a lot longer watching us because we grade out over player on O on every play so it takes a little time, but it's great for the kids and they enjoy the grading competition. We ordered some WWE wrestling belts so whomever has the highest O-Line grade and the highest skill grades gets the belt for the week. The kids really take pride in this.
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Post by Mav on Jul 24, 2010 11:02:19 GMT -6
For our offense, we probably spend about 75% of the time watching ourselves vs 25% on our opponent's defense.
Defensively, it's the opposite - ~75% on their offense vs 25% on our defense. As dcohio mentioned, we fly through our defensive self-scout because we know exactly how it should look and where any breakdown took place.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 24, 2010 11:24:03 GMT -6
Early in the season I'm all about US, I know we are our own worst enemy, especially because every year it's almost an entirely new team. I also know the other teams will be making drastic evolutions in their own first couple weeks, so any film will be mostly unhelpful, since after game 1 or 2 they'll quite possibly have restructured their entire team after realizing that their Tarzan plays like Jane, and their guard apparently can't remember a snap count to save his life.
Towards the end of the season, I feel we've made most of the development that we're going to make this season, so THEM film becomes useful, especially after the better teams have floated to the top. I can get their key plays, tendencies, etc. and make a better practice and game plan around it.
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Post by sweep26 on Jul 24, 2010 13:28:39 GMT -6
Very interesting thread!
Of the above posts, when you reference watching yourself, are you including time spent watching your practice tapes? Or, are you just talking about previous game tapes?
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Post by msalazar51 on Jul 25, 2010 22:08:46 GMT -6
In the past coaches came in early Saturday morning and watched last nights game, then the players come in two hours later to watch last nights game. After we sent the players home we begin to watch next weeks opponent. On Monday afternoon we brought in the players to watch next weeks opponent. This has yielded terrible results. I am revamping this schedule as we speak!
Like many of you have poijted out it is less important what they do if you aren't very good at what you do! This season we will not bring players in on Saturday (I have NEVER done this, and still a little worried about it!). Instead Coaches will use this time to get our act together. Review last night and determine what film that the kids MUST SEE. We need to do more with less, in other words less film and more coaching with that film. As for our opponents film, find what they do best, show our players a few examples of when their "bread and butter" plays worked well and also show what other teams did to beat it!
As coaches we will work according to "CQ Miller" and his formula above. That is exactly what our breakdown will be. It is up to the coaches to coach the players to bring success. Coaches will watch film all week according to the success that they want to have in their position groups.
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Post by Mav on Jul 26, 2010 9:39:19 GMT -6
In the past coaches came in early Saturday morning and watched last nights game, then the players come in two hours later to watch last nights game. After we sent the players home we begin to watch next weeks opponent. On Monday afternoon we brought in the players to watch next weeks opponent. This has yielded terrible results. I am revamping this schedule as we speak! Like many of you have poijted out it is less important what they do if you aren't very good at what you do! This season we will not bring players in on Saturday (I have NEVER done this, and still a little worried about it!). Instead Coaches will use this time to get our act together. Review last night and determine what film that the kids MUST SEE. We need to do more with less, in other words less film and more coaching with that film. As for our opponents film, find what they do best, show our players a few examples of when their "bread and butter" plays worked well and also show what other teams did to beat it! As coaches we will work according to "CQ Miller" and his formula above. That is exactly what our breakdown will be. It is up to the coaches to coach the players to bring success. Coaches will watch film all week according to the success that they want to have in their position groups. I definitely see where you're coming from. It's a lot on the staff to have a game on Friday night and be 100% ready to review the film with the players the following morning. I personally have to watch it many, many times even before we get together as a staff to review it. There's no way I could thoroughly review it when we're all together watching it for the 1st time. That typically means late Friday nights and early Sat. mornings, but it's a great way to force you to get the past game 'out of your system' and move on. IMO, it's vital that EVERY staff member must review the game before we get together as a staff on Saturday morning.FWIW - a suggestion I'd make is to start filming team period during Tues and Wed practices, if you're not already doing so. All those little things we only corrected using game film, can now be taken care of during the week. |
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Post by bleefb on Jul 27, 2010 0:52:05 GMT -6
Mav,
As a HUDL user, did that change how you viewed film WITH the kids as compared to them watching it at home? How do you use HUDL in that context?
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Post by Mav on Jul 27, 2010 13:27:13 GMT -6
Mav, As a HUDL user, did that change how you viewed film WITH the kids as compared to them watching it at home? How do you use HUDL in that context? On Sat. mornings we'd go through the prior nights game as we usually did before using Hudl. In the spirit of time (and teenager attention span), we've always tried hard to keep the game review w/the players to a 1 hour max. Points must be quick and to the point. Now with Hudl, we follow up with -- notes, telestrations, voiceovers and/or walkthroughs, to reinforce what was discussed in the the film session and give a more detailed explanation of the good and bad points. FWIW - we've learned to be much more balanced, between positive and negative comments, with Hudl notes. As we all know, there are times in our closed film sessions when us coaches can get a bit fiery to make a point. We've found we have to be a bit more tactful when we send Hudl notes -- probably because it's much easier for the kids to tune us out when we're not physically there. Like all new forms of communication, we need to adjust how info is presented. |
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