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Post by airraider on Jul 13, 2010 11:32:14 GMT -6
My DC last year has done some scouting in the past for schools. I think he may have coached for the Jr. High and scouted for the varsity.
I guess I have never really put much thought into it before, but what all advantages can you get from being there live vs watching it on film?
I know seeing warm ups is something that you can use to get some info... as well as injury info by seeing kids on the sidelines.
Anything else?
I am thinking its going to be a possibility that I will not be coaching this year.. and I may decide to see if I can do some scouting for a local team.
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 13, 2010 11:35:04 GMT -6
I try to do both. I get a better feel for playcalling and players' abilities in person, but film allows for a more clinical observation of things, which is important.
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Post by phantom on Jul 13, 2010 11:37:44 GMT -6
Pass patterns, coverage, and STs which may not show up well on film sometimes.
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Post by blb on Jul 13, 2010 11:41:39 GMT -6
Cadence, signals from sidelines (not that I'd ever "steal" those, but some might), substitutions that may tip formations-defenses, and if they're No-Huddle (can't always tell from video).
If you're going to get a film too you can save time later by recording D&D, hash, whatever else.
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Post by phantom on Jul 13, 2010 12:01:37 GMT -6
Personnel:
1. Starters- easier to get players numbers during warmups and in the huddle than it is clicking back and forth on film looking for numbers that may be hard to see on film. 2. Size- I like to stand near them as they go on or come off of the field to get a sense for how big they are really. 3. Actual numbers- how many guys actually play?
Injuries 1. Is somebody being treated on the sideline? How does he look later? 2. You can notice on film that a starter went out and didn't return. You don't see that there was a five minute stoppage while the EMTs put him in the ambulance or that he didn't play but was walking and talking normally afterward.
Intangibles 1. How does the sideline react to adversity. How's the body language? Is there arguing? How long does it last?
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 13, 2010 12:09:30 GMT -6
Film let`s you do the exhaustive stuff, blocking schemes, made and missed tackles. In person you get a feel for the intangibles.
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 13, 2010 13:14:05 GMT -6
Team speed, size & aggressiveness sometimes don't show up as well on film as they do live. Cadences and signals certainly are important to take note of. Snappers, Punters and Kickers in pregame and during the game are important to spy on. Years ago (In the early 90's scouting was common because you'd get a scouting report most of the time before you got film, 16mm was just going out and VHS was coming into use) I scouted a very good team that would huddle but signaled everything in. They used very basic signals and it was very easy to pick them up. When we played them, I signaled in to our LB the play that they were going to run. Nothing like knowing exactly where and how they are coming....LOL....anyway, our defense looked like 11 All Americans in the first half. The other team finally figured out that their signals had been compromised and sent the plays in with a WR after that. Another time I went and scouted a team that we were going to play the following week. Sat through the game, took copious detailed notes and with about 2 minutes left in the game and the target team down by I think 18 points, I figured I'd beat the rush and head for the gate....Next morning at 7AM sharp I'm in front of the entire team giving an outstanding presentation on everything they do, personnel, etc....tell the story of the game and outcome..... The HC gives me a funny look at the end of my presentation and asks me, did you stay for the whole game? Uh, nope, I cut out a few minutes early..... Well, as it turned out, the team that I scouted got a turnover, scored, kicked onside, scored again and kicked onside again, and scored again, they ended up scoring 3 times in under two minutes and ended up winning. Oops....LOL
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Post by lochness on Jul 13, 2010 15:25:33 GMT -6
Scouting live is great for getting a "real" sense of the opponent. I have trouble gauging relative speed, team intensity, size, etc. on film.
Film is great for gauging the "mechanics" and the X's and O's stuff (blocking schemes, tendancies, etc).
We do a ton of both.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 13, 2010 16:54:40 GMT -6
Pass patterns, coverage, and STs which may not show up well on film sometimes. I think this was the biggest transition I had to make from coaching college ball, and AIRRAIDER...I think your knowledge of the passing game would really help in this area. HS film, especially trade film, is notorious for being "the tv shot". You see the ball, the OL, the dl.. the offensive back field, and MAYBE an LB. You rarely get to see the coverage or routes develop... especially if it is a 4 or 5 wide set.
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Post by TMGPG on Jul 13, 2010 17:40:54 GMT -6
Live is great, but with a tape you can rewind which is always helpful.
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Post by newb on Jul 13, 2010 20:30:00 GMT -6
When I was assisting with a scouting trip against our big rivals and perennial powerhouse, me and the other coach went down to where they came out of the locker room to get a sense of how big they were (you can never trust what the program says). We also took a hard look at what the players were doing during warm ups, between plays, on the sideline, how they carried themselves, who their captains were, all the stuff that doesn't show up on film.
We ended up noticing that even though they had some good athletes, they didn't have the same swagger as in past years. So we opened the game with something they've never seen before and scored right away. When we recovered the onside kick, first one we tried all year, they hung their heads and let us walk all over them.
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Post by mhs99 on Jul 13, 2010 20:58:13 GMT -6
I agree with locknees and jhanawa we have found judging team SPEEED is critical live vs. through film. It gives you a good gauge on types of blitzes, coverages etc. Other teams always look fast on film, but my techonology gut says the type of film/camera will blur reality.
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Jul 13, 2010 23:44:48 GMT -6
We can scout during a bye week as a staff, and have been able to have one or two guys do some scouting for us other weeks- it is helpful, but not as good as it would be if I could see/verify it with my own eyes. I wish I could be a part of more scouting trips, but of course I am coaching...
Who does your scouting?
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