lrader
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Post by lrader on Jun 25, 2010 12:00:21 GMT -6
I've posted this before, but i've taken a job as a head coach at a new school. After watching some of their films from last year, there are some bad habits that need broken.
My question is, should I show them that film and talk about how bad some of it was (linemen not coming off ball, kids not running to the ball on D, quitting in general). On one hand I want to address it before we get into the actual season. On the other, the kids have been showing up and working hard in the weight room (something that hasn't happened in the past). So is this something that is in the past and that will be taken care of just by addressing attitude and effort/competition in practice?
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Post by brophy on Jun 25, 2010 12:08:11 GMT -6
I think its worth it.
Cut it up and show them specifically what you're talking about
"THIS is what gets you beat" (not necessarily the players, but HOW they played)
["if we didn't do THIS, we would be winning"]
This will provide a rationale for why you will be doing things differently (specifically for hustle/effort)
This also provides tangible evidence (within reach) on how y'all are going to win (now).
I think it illustrates that the school isn't cursed to be losers, so long as they take care of fundamental technique.
Do you plan on showing clips (maybe of your other stops) where those little things being done correctly (lead to wins)?
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jun 25, 2010 12:08:41 GMT -6
Coach, if it were me I would let the film go and just coach up the things you want in practice. If things are going well for you right now I wouldn't drudge up the problems from last years team.
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coachriley
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Post by coachriley on Jun 25, 2010 12:12:48 GMT -6
I am with buckeye here. You said the kids are working hard now and are actually showing up, so they have already started improving. I dont know if reminding them and showing them the mistakes from last year will help boost their confidence or work ethic anymore.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jun 25, 2010 12:19:22 GMT -6
I agree with Brophy. Cut up some of last years film with film you have from a previous stop or from another team that does the things you are teaching well. Show a few plays where a lineman is too high and then splice in some plays of great technique. Show plays of a guy loafing and then show a couple great hustle plays. Kids are so visual that it might be a positive move.
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Post by hamerhead on Jun 25, 2010 13:17:22 GMT -6
I'm going to go with no.
New coach, turn the page and start new habits, no need to depress them or make them feel like you're insulting them, their buddies from last year or the old coach who some of them may still like. You're still in the part of the season where they're feeling you out.
I would however hold on to it and keep it in my back pocket. Explain to them why it's important that they do x,y, and z and if they don't after a certain point in the season, break it out then and say "Heres what I'm talking about...do you want to make the same mistakes again?"
But- I'd wait until it was neccessary. Right now, I'd ride the wave of enthusiasm that should be going with the "new" factor.
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Post by leighty on Jun 25, 2010 13:23:30 GMT -6
Don't know what your off-season/summer stuff is like, but if you're not going to actually address the problem right then, i.e. take the lineman outside and have individual time, then I don't see much of a point in showing them the film.
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Post by tcbxxvi on Jun 25, 2010 14:38:50 GMT -6
I'm in a similar situation, and there's no way I'm going to do that. It's the past....it doesn't involve or affect me......this next season involves and affects me....I'll coach it up then.
Plus, IMO, doing that is kinda a slap to the old coach's face.....what if some of those kids liked the guy? (which I'm sure most of them did like him).
Also, are any of the coaches from last year on staff? Showing all that negative stuff is petty demoralizing to them, too. "Is this what he thinks we taught them?....Is he going to trust us at all this next year?...See if I'm going to back him when things get tough!" All of these things could be going through their head.
In fact, I already put up last year's films....the only way I'd watch them is to kinda scout a district opponent.
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lrader
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Post by lrader on Jun 25, 2010 15:35:27 GMT -6
Thanks for all the replies...
Do you plan on showing clips (maybe of your other stops) where those little things being done correctly (lead to wins)? -- I've done some of this already.
What tcbxxvi posted is pretty much all the concerns i had with doing it. I think i'll pass on it for now. I think I may follow hammerhead's advice and hold on to it as an ace in the hole, but we'll see.
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lrader
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Post by lrader on Jun 25, 2010 15:39:20 GMT -6
Also, when i've shown the film from other schools i've shown it in a positive light, "look at this guard get off the ball quick and low, etc" instead of trying to bring up things that have happened in the past, "this guard is doing this better than you guys have in the past". So i've tried to stay away from comparing anything to how it's been done in the past for all the above mentioned reasons.
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Post by gunrun on Jun 25, 2010 19:26:18 GMT -6
Show them the bad from last year and then show them good cut-ups and tell them this is how they are going to look on film this year.
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Post by phantom on Jun 26, 2010 7:31:19 GMT -6
I think you should show the video. It's great that kids are showing up and working hard. That's a major step and a great start but that's all that it is- a start. To win games they have to play good football. They don't know how to do that yet. The kids who screwed up may have no idea how or why they screwed up. Lazy kids have no idea that they're being lazy. They think they're working their a$$es off.
It'll take some editing work but I like the idea of a clip showing bad technique or effort intercut with one showing it done right.
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Post by champ93 on Jun 26, 2010 10:45:01 GMT -6
For every bad clip you find, find at least 3 good ones and only show what you want them to do. SO find at least 3 clips that they came off the ball well and emphasize those clips with words like "this is what we need to continue to do." No reason to show bad clips--they don't learn much of anything from it. Focus on the positive.
If you can't find at least 3 good clips, then I wouldn't show any because you're starting from scratch!
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Jun 26, 2010 21:53:10 GMT -6
I like the idea of having it in your back pocket. I certainly think it should be shown, just not right now- especially since it seems that enthusiasm and confidence is growing. Do you have some sort of video install before practice? This is where we would show this footage to keep it fresh in their minds before heading out to the field. You could also have it available if the guys have a lazy day where the energy is really down...you can liven things up with "You want to go through the motions?! (Pop in the video) This is what happens when you go through the motions!"
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Post by unc31 on Jun 27, 2010 1:36:56 GMT -6
Coach, I would show them the film and point out things that need to be corrected. However I would definitely NOT talk bad about the previous coaching. If you do it in a positive way, without ridiculing your predecessors, then it will work. If you cut throat the previous staff you will lose the respect of the kids.
I would suggest that you point out that your philosophy is a little different than what was taught before and why, without saying anything bad about them.
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Post by warriorhog51 on Jun 28, 2010 15:59:25 GMT -6
I would be very hesitant to show it, especially if everything is going well up to this point. If the kids are working hard and buying in, then I would leave it in the closet. You are new to the school. A fresh start for everyone. Make it exactly that. Make them forget what happened in the past and focus on the present and future. I don't know the whole situation, but I, personally, would not show it except for scouting oppenents.
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Post by briangilbert on Jun 29, 2010 23:11:47 GMT -6
Forget the past
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Post by coachweav88 on Jul 6, 2010 7:43:29 GMT -6
Do you want to teach them what NOT to do or teach them What TO DO?
Personally, I wouldn't show them the film. I'd wait until you have film from this year doing the techniques you taught them.
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Post by nerrg on Jul 7, 2010 12:12:59 GMT -6
If you do do this, you should do what coachguy said and whenever you point out a mistake a guy made (as long as he is still there and hasn't graduated), show a good play the same player made
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Post by ryanculloty on Jul 7, 2010 12:38:48 GMT -6
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In your situation before--used a lot of film of other teams on what I wanted to see (college wing-t team running fakes---highlight film type of gang tackling---state champion running our offense) I kept the sessions brief--but we talked a lot about--these are the expectations--this is what I mean when I say this...
This allowed for better coaching on the field and communication--plus some kids even asked for the film clips to watch again
Just my thoughts...
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Post by phantom on Jul 7, 2010 14:28:55 GMT -6
If you do do this, you should do what coachguy said and whenever you point out a mistake a guy made (as long as he is still there and hasn't graduated), show a good play the same player made The only problem with "show one good play for every bad one" is that if that had that many good plays they wouldn't necessarily have a new coach. If it's done strictly in a teaching environment I see no problem with pointing out and correcting mistekes. |
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Post by dg0122 on Jul 9, 2010 17:19:06 GMT -6
if you use hudl to play the video, last year's team will actually play better on film ;D
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Post by chadp56 on Jul 9, 2010 17:56:25 GMT -6
I wouldn't show the film. I think you want to focus on this year and not look back, especially since it would be pretty much all negative things that you were showing. Once YOU have taught them what YOU want, then I think YOU can critique them on film in front of their peers. I'm pretty sure I could look at about 90% of the coaches film's on here and tear apart some of it (i.e. OT is too high, the guard doesn't get off the line quick enough). The only thing I see coming out of it is the fresh start everyone has will no longer seem true. A transition year is tough enough as it is (I've been apart of several). I don't see this helping. Showing your old stuff is cool as long as you are putting it into a light that they too can do this rather than look at me, I'm the best coach ever.
"Don't ever look back, someone may be gaining on you." Dub Jones
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