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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 21, 2010 12:11:26 GMT -6
I searched for this but got nothing, although I think I remember a thread about this a while back.
Tomorrow the HC and I will sit down with a sophomore QB and change his position. It's tough because he's one of the best kids on the team, he's just not very talented. It's tough to move him to WR or RB when we tell him we're looking for more of an athlete to play QB and he's not big enough to play on the OL. So it's hard to tell him that he fits better elsewhere, when in fact he probably won't get on the field anywhere.
Any words of wisdom? It's part of the job, we have to do it, I just want it to be as easy as it can be on the kid.
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Post by dubber on Jun 21, 2010 12:23:17 GMT -6
Our rule is we only ask kids to switch positions if it helps the team.
If we have a kid who is #5 on the depth chart at one position, we will only move him if he has a chance to be #1 at another.
So, when we have that conversation, we always talk about it being better for the team and for them ("Hey chief, you wanna play, change position")
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Post by flexoption91 on Jun 21, 2010 12:24:41 GMT -6
We had the same talk with a kid not too long ago. The most important thing I can tell you is be honest with him. If he is a good kid than I am sure he understands his physical limitations.
I would actually make sure this move is the best interest of him and team. You are looking to make sure the best players are on the field at every position and that he will not make it on the field at qb. Make sure he also understands this does not guarantee him anything in regard to playing time.
The kid we moved was an ok kid and he took it really well. He is working just as hard, if not harder, at his new position.
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Post by phantom on Jun 21, 2010 13:30:22 GMT -6
I searched for this but got nothing, although I think I remember a thread about this a while back. Tomorrow the HC and I will sit down with a sophomore QB and change his position. It's tough because he's one of the best kids on the team, he's just not very talented. It's tough to move him to WR or RB when we tell him we're looking for more of an athlete to play QB and he's not big enough to play on the OL. So it's hard to tell him that he fits better elsewhere, when in fact he probably won't get on the field anywhere. Any words of wisdom? It's part of the job, we have to do it, I just want it to be as easy as it can be on the kid. I don't see any defensive positions mentioned here. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 21, 2010 14:24:27 GMT -6
I searched for this but got nothing, although I think I remember a thread about this a while back. Tomorrow the HC and I will sit down with a sophomore QB and change his position. It's tough because he's one of the best kids on the team, he's just not very talented. It's tough to move him to WR or RB when we tell him we're looking for more of an athlete to play QB and he's not big enough to play on the OL. So it's hard to tell him that he fits better elsewhere, when in fact he probably won't get on the field anywhere. Any words of wisdom? It's part of the job, we have to do it, I just want it to be as easy as it can be on the kid. I don't see any defensive positions mentioned here. You are correct, the kid already has a defensive position which is LB. We were strictly a platooning team last year, but are in a new place this year with lower numbers because our high school split. Therefore, a kid has both an offensive and defensive position. If we only played kids on one side of the ball, this wouldn't be an issue. I posted this here by mistake, as I meant to post it in the general section. If you want to move it, that would be great. I'm sure defensive coaches that don't read the offensive boards would be able to add something. As for the rest of you, thanks for your input. Maybe I'm being selfish here, but he's kind of getting in the way of the development of two other young kids that have a chance to be our QB on Friday nights in a couple years. Should I tell him he is free to stay at QB but is fighting an uphill battle and might not get the reps? |
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Jun 21, 2010 18:01:22 GMT -6
I say let the kid stay and compete. He doesn't have to get reps if he doesn't earn them. It sounds like he won't be much help anywhere else on the offensive side of the ball, so he might as well learn the offense and start preparing to be a coach one day.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 21, 2010 18:01:11 GMT -6
You're in a different place - and you still have this kid? I've missed the tag here somewhere. I'm with Dubber, unless it will help the team, we don't move them. BUT - he's already a LB, I say you play him at QB and run the option. See, it's not the kid's fault, it's bad coaching. (LOL, as usual) I'm not at a different place, I meant we're in a "different place" having kids play both sides of the ball. We were strictly two platoon the last couple years. |
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jun 21, 2010 18:04:26 GMT -6
You sure there's no political force at work here? Unless you made some promises to this kid and his family, I really don't see the problem. If you have a stack of QB's then just let them play, they'll know which one is better WAY before you will.
Now, they may not admit it-but they'll know.
I see that the school split, so you have to put kids in positions that will help YOU.
If he is going to help your team at WR, then talk to him, but if he's not, then let him play.
Another thing, if he is young, you never know how he will develop. He might grow to 6'2", I've seen thing like this happen before.
However, If you actually NEED him at WR to help the team, then your talk is needed. But just to tell him that he gets to be #3 WR will make him feel worse than #3 QB.
Not that y'all don't have it all together, I'm not emplying that at all, so no insult meant.
But I live by a series of Codes. My #1 Code is 'You can't die on everyhill, so pick your battles carefully. But the fights you pick you'd better be ready to go to the death over."
If this is something worth worrying about, then by all means worry, but if not, then just let the kids play and let the chips fall where they may.
OJW
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 21, 2010 18:28:09 GMT -6
You guys are right, unless it helps the team I shouldn't move the kid. It's only June, I'll let him compete. I was being selfish.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jun 21, 2010 18:53:58 GMT -6
No coach, you were NOT being selfish, you were thinking about the feelings of that kid. That isn't a negative, that's a very positive thing for your kids and your program.
What I meant is that you didn't need to get worried yet, unless there is some big politics involved.
That doesn't seem the be the case, so I think you on the right path, but selfish-no.
Best of luck to you coach and keep looking out for the kids.
OJW
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 21, 2010 20:29:11 GMT -6
No coach, you were NOT being selfish, you were thinking about the feelings of that kid. That isn't a negative, that's a very positive thing for your kids and your program. What I meant is that you didn't need to get worried yet, unless there is some big politics involved. That doesn't seem the be the case, so I think you on the right path, but selfish-no. Best of luck to you coach and keep looking out for the kids. OJW I appreciate that. I'm not the head coach, so I won't be taking a lot of the crap if it happens. The kid's dad was a high school teacher of mine and used to coach in the district. I've heard he can be a pain in the ass, but I'm not worried about him. Like you said, I just want what is best for the kid. |
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jun 21, 2010 21:40:35 GMT -6
Coach, I've been around for a while...OK, a long time. I suspected that there was politics involved when you first posted, because something just didn't add up. There usually is politics involved when dealing with the QB position. I think that is more rare for there NOT to be politics involved in the QB position.  And...sometimes it's just better to NOT be the head coach. Have a great seasons coach, it seems that you really care about the kids, keep that attitude and you will go far. OJW |
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Post by buck42 on Jun 22, 2010 7:09:08 GMT -6
Sounds like the kid is not exactly athletic enough to play WR or RB and crack the depth chart to get reps. He is a sophomore, he still has plenty of time to get get better if he buys in...
Being a sophomore can he NOT play JV and gain experience? If the kid was a junior I would say maybe move him if you have a couple younger guys that are better.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 22, 2010 13:48:56 GMT -6
Sounds like the kid is not exactly athletic enough to play WR or RB and crack the depth chart to get reps. He is a sophomore, he still has plenty of time to get get better if he buys in... Being a sophomore can he NOT play JV and gain experience? If the kid was a junior I would say maybe move him if you have a couple younger guys that are better. OJW, Thank you very much, best of luck to you as well. buck, There are two freshman better than him right now, and we have a junior that will be taking all the JV reps. As far as getting better, absolutely he can. However, he is very limited athletically. He doesn't run well, doesn't throw well, etc. I can improve his technique and he can improve his athleticism in our offseason program, however he has a pretty low ceiling. I'm not sure there is a fast twitch muscle fiber in his body. |
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Post by coachguy83 on Jun 22, 2010 17:06:12 GMT -6
I had to have this talk with several guys today. I'm the Freshmen line coach this year and as of right now we have about 2 legit lineman on the roster. I had to tell some kids today that we needed them on the line. I got a lot of positive responses and one kid didn't seem to fond of the idea. He didn't say anything negative about playing on the line, but I could read in his body language that he was a little down.
Tomorrow I will probably talk with that kid again about getting some of his bigger friends to come out. He will probably be really motivated to do some recruiting for us over the next few days.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jun 23, 2010 10:57:08 GMT -6
Honesty is the key-
pull no punches or they'll see right through that.
I had 5 dudes last year that we switched inseason. Sat them down and explained the situation-You can stay at 5th string QB and probably never see the field, or you can work your way into the TE position and compete...it's up to you...
Out of the 5 kids, 4 of them said yes & thank you, only 1 resisted and stayed at QB. As a QB he didn't take a snap or throw a pass for two straight days. Day 3 he showed up in OL early groups...
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 23, 2010 17:09:21 GMT -6
Honesty is the key- pull no punches or they'll see right through that. I had 5 dudes last year that we switched inseason. Sat them down and explained the situation-You can stay at 5th string QB and probably never see the field, or you can work your way into the TE position and compete...it's up to you... Out of the 5 kids, 4 of them said yes & thank you, only 1 resisted and stayed at QB. As a QB he didn't take a snap or throw a pass for two straight days. Day 3 he showed up in OL early groups... Good call on this. If they don't appreciate the honesty now, they will one day. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 23, 2010 17:17:51 GMT -6
Our rule is we only ask kids to switch positions if it helps the team. If we have a kid who is #5 on the depth chart at one position, we will only move him if he has a chance to be #1 at another. So, when we have that conversation, we always talk about it being better for the team and for them ("Hey chief, you wanna play, change position") I think this is sums up the best method quite well. If the kid isn't really "a player" then let him be a "non player" at the position of his choice. Don't move him to another position only to be a "non player" |
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